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Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
October 20 2012 05:29 GMT
#61
On October 20 2012 14:28 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 14:23 Probasaur wrote:
Thankyou Swords, you kind sir you.



And wow, there's another major point made by either Gretorp or Grubby recently, or maybe both. The unforgiving zergling run-by that is infinite in damage when you account for the positioning of HerO's army allowing Lowley to take prime position on his 3rd and kill all his collosi. Really sad to see. Lowely is performing superbly, still tho..... HerO played so well in these games, and after killing all the broodlords and then all the infestors in the 3rd game he was ahead. Then just to lose to a run-by is really disheartening.



I'm a T so I hate both zerg and toss, but complaining about ling runbys is a little petty in my opinion. Sure, toss has no harass early game, but look at all the games. Multiple warp prism and zealots snipe everything. Zergs had to respond by spining and sporing their bases. Why should toss get a free pass? Drop cannons and a few zlots.

Late late game zerg vs toss is kinda coinflippy on vortex vs mass blord and something should be changed, but saying ling runbys is op is kinda...




This. Just don't be lazy and put a zealot back in your wall. I mean good lord.
Sentinel Gaming Competitive Team Manager | 1500+ points Masters Zerg | twitch.tv/zennith6
Probasaur
Profile Joined August 2011
United States461 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 05:34:45
October 20 2012 05:33 GMT
#62
On October 20 2012 14:28 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 14:23 Probasaur wrote:
Thankyou Swords, you kind sir you.



And wow, there's another major point made by either Gretorp or Grubby recently, or maybe both. The unforgiving zergling run-by that is infinite in damage when you account for the positioning of HerO's army allowing Lowley to take prime position on his 3rd and kill all his collosi. Really sad to see. Lowely is performing superbly, still tho..... HerO played so well in these games, and after killing all the broodlords and then all the infestors in the 3rd game he was ahead. Then just to lose to a run-by is really disheartening.



I'm a T so I hate both zerg and toss, but complaining about ling runbys is a little petty in my opinion. Sure, toss has no harass early game, but look at all the games. Multiple warp prism and zealots snipe everything. Zergs had to respond by spining and sporing their bases. Why should toss get a free pass? Drop cannons and a few zlots.

Late late game zerg vs toss is kinda coinflippy on vortex vs mass blord and something should be changed, but saying ling runbys is op is kinda...



Never said it was OP. I just wanted to echo the sentiment made by Grubby or Gretorp (or maybe both I forget) that the defense for run bys is nonexistant. Cannons and zealots both fall in instants to a few hundred minerals worth of lings. The only way to prevent is wall-offs which HerO did utilize with a zealot... still the hold position failed him or it wasn't activated... either way having 1 hold position unit as your only practical, barely dependable form of keeping run-by's away is not nearly as ideal as a few very, very powerful spine crawlers... or supply depots that raise along with a few very, very powerful tanks or bunkers. Both repairable.


Edit : He had a zealot there if you were watching you would have seen the lings squeezed by regardless..... as they are very well known to do.


Glad Lowely won even if it did have to be against HerO's perfect record. Lets hope he can stay in it for next season.
"He who makes a beast of himself.... gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Hunter S Thompson.
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
October 20 2012 05:33 GMT
#63
Lowely has 2 matches left, Strelok and Beasty, if he wins both of those,he has a chance of staying for season 5.
Jaedong4thOSL
Profile Joined August 2011
United States487 Posts
October 20 2012 05:37 GMT
#64
What, Lowely won. Wow, unexpected. Went to watch OSL after HerO's first win.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 05:38:41
October 20 2012 05:37 GMT
#65
Again, I want to stress that my point is PvZ makes for frustrating and/or boring games to watch.

I haven't played Starcraft 2 in awhile now, but I follow the pro-scene closely as I enjoy it the same way I enjoy many sports. I have absolutely no credibility when I make claims about balance - so when I do you can feel free to tell me to STFU.

However, as a viewer/fan/spectator I find the game becoming harder and harder to watch. Most PvZ matches rely on Vortex/Neural/2 Base All-in. TvZ, which used to be amazing has become way less exciting to me due to the queen patch. Perhaps the game (TvZ) is more balanced, but the once crazy early game that played out on a razor's edge is completely gone.

It's hard, because I like the players and see so many flashes of brilliance (Symbol's Ultra/Bane/Festor armies, Rain's next level play, Maru's insane Marauder Micro), however, these seem to only be flashes (aside from Rain maybe). The game right now doesn't allow for the situations I outlined above - where one player just outplays the other. There are too many gimmicky spells, BO wins, and poor game design in general for there to regularly be games where someone just out micros/macros the opponent. Watching Rain play PvP has been a breath of fresh air in that regard, because he wins games he has no business of winning simply by "out-Starcrafting" his opponent.

tl;dr - This game is frequently tough to watch as a spectator nowadays. I write too long posts and should probably just blog.
Gretorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States586 Posts
October 20 2012 05:40 GMT
#66
Sometimes i say some stupid shit... haha but gj to lowely i can't believe he did that. He looked really dominant against hero game 3 and it was great to watch
I am Unheard Change
Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 05:47:39
October 20 2012 05:46 GMT
#67
On October 20 2012 14:40 Gretorp wrote:
Sometimes i say some stupid shit... haha but gj to lowely i can't believe he did that. He looked really dominant against hero game 3 and it was great to watch



Fair. Otherwise I very much enjoyed this evening's cast! And you may or may not have given my team a shoutout the other night, so all's forgiven!
Sentinel Gaming Competitive Team Manager | 1500+ points Masters Zerg | twitch.tv/zennith6
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
October 20 2012 05:47 GMT
#68
Wow, nice work LoWeLy!
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
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