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On October 18 2012 19:34 silent_owl wrote:
Well, two elephants fell yesterday (much to my dismay) but maybe it'll be good for us today.
Happy to see that the elephants are going to make an invasion in Code S, not just because I'm a Kespa fan but I think this'll force the eSF players to up their game raising the level of competition in Korea. Foreigners better watch out because once practice gets even more serious in KR, they're gonna have to change their somewhat relaxed approach to the game.
To my understanding,foreigners as a whole with one or 2 exceptions can't compete with the Koreans.
Kespa coming in was just the final nail in the coffin.
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On October 18 2012 19:35 CursivE wrote:
Man I'm really digging Khaldor and Wolf these days. Second favourite SC2 to watch other than Liquid'Sea's stream.
Their awkwardness at times is almost adorable to watch, i've really really grown to like those two weirdo's together.
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Haha. Bogus looked like Jangbi on that picture. Yey! I'm a reaver now!
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Haha, Khaldor wants them all to fight for their lives
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On October 18 2012 19:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:33 FakeDeath wrote:On October 18 2012 19:32 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:30 Blaec wrote:On October 18 2012 19:28 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote:
Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC. He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball. Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better. Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1. He actually just has the best macro PvP in the world right now. I hope he says it's all skill soon so other protoss can beat him again.
Talk about an easy bracket for Rain as well. He got basically the easiest bracket. He won the thing, so at least he doesn't have to prove anything, but he got 3 straight foreigners to reach the qualification point for the final WCS. :/ Anyone in his spot would've qualified, now he went beyond that so he proved to be the best PvP player in the tournament hands down, but meh, I just wish someone else had gotten that free seed. :p
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On October 18 2012 19:36 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:33 FakeDeath wrote:On October 18 2012 19:32 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:30 Blaec wrote:On October 18 2012 19:28 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote:
Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC. He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball. Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better. Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1. To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining.
To be fair Rain winning games sometimes doesn't even make sense, and i'm referring to his series vs Parting especially. Game 1 broke my mind about things i thought i knew about PvP.
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On October 18 2012 19:36 Shellshock1122 wrote: Code A Ro24 Day 3  BoguS vs Happy + Show Spoiler +01001000 01100001 01110000 01110000 01111001 Game 1 Map: Entombed Valley 0:00 BoguS spawns in the top left Happy spawns in the bottom left
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CC first for both players on the high ground
rax for both players in their mains
gas for Happy
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2nd rax for Bogus
2nd gas for Happy
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Factory for Happy
3rd rax for Bogus
double gas for Bogus
Bogus moves his OC to the low ground
reactor building for Happy
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Happy moves his OC to the low ground
starport started for Happy
Tech lab on the rax for Bogus
reactored hellion production started for Happy
stim research started for Bogus
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On October 18 2012 19:38 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:36 silent_owl wrote:On October 18 2012 19:33 FakeDeath wrote:On October 18 2012 19:32 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:30 Blaec wrote:On October 18 2012 19:28 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote:
Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC. He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball. Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better. Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1. To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining. To be fair Rain winning games sometimes doesn't even make sense, and i'm referring to his series vs Parting especially. Game 1 broke my mind about things i thought i knew about PvP.
That was actually just silly. It was so silly. It broke my brain.
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Bogus also is, I believe, #2 currently on the KR GM ladder with a 62% win rate. This was talked about in his last winner interview that he is the only player on ladder that high up with the same win rate as Life.
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Synchronised swimming Khaldor...
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On October 18 2012 19:37 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:35 CursivE wrote:
Man I'm really digging Khaldor and Wolf these days. Second favourite SC2 to watch other than Liquid'Sea's stream. Their awkwardness at times is almost adorable to watch, i've really really grown to like those two weirdo's together.
Yeah, they are my favorite casting duo, together with Rotterdam and MrBitter.
I think SC2 really has a bunch of great casters. Of course they also do a lot of small (or even bigger) mistakes but that's okay, I mean they have to talk all day long, from time to time mistakes just happen.
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On October 18 2012 19:40 CursivE wrote:
Synchronised swimming Khaldor...
Or in this case, synchronised stimming.
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On October 18 2012 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:38 Fragile51 wrote:On October 18 2012 19:36 silent_owl wrote:On October 18 2012 19:33 FakeDeath wrote:On October 18 2012 19:32 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:30 Blaec wrote:On October 18 2012 19:28 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote:
Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC. He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball. Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better. Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1. To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining. To be fair Rain winning games sometimes doesn't even make sense, and i'm referring to his series vs Parting especially. Game 1 broke my mind about things i thought i knew about PvP. That was actually just silly. It was so silly. It broke my brain.
o_O What happened? Didn't watch much WCS because PvZ and PvP hurt my soul most of the time. And then I watched the worst of the PvZs if the thread was any indication and turned it off again.
Anyway, what broke you?
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It's basically Line Dancing
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On October 18 2012 19:36 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:34 silent_owl wrote:
Well, two elephants fell yesterday (much to my dismay) but maybe it'll be good for us today.
Happy to see that the elephants are going to make an invasion in Code S, not just because I'm a Kespa fan but I think this'll force the eSF players to up their game raising the level of competition in Korea. Foreigners better watch out because once practice gets even more serious in KR, they're gonna have to change their somewhat relaxed approach to the game. To my understanding,foreigners as a whole with one or 2 exceptions can't compete with the Koreans. Kespa coming in was just the final nail in the coffin.
I think so too but foreigners don't seem to think it. NightEnd's recent interview has him saying that Koreans are none different than Europeans. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt now (and I'm just being respectful to the EU WC3 pros) but in time both eSF and Kespa will up their games and get even more serious in their practice and I believe that as the Kespa pros have shown, having good fundamentals is not as irrelevant in the pro scene as other people think.
Rain and Roro have been in games wherein they've lost the build order battle but come back in the end by having better mechanics, scouting and taking favorable engagements. Maybe mechanics matter a little more than people have realized. Before the Kespa pros came, people talked about how most eSF and top EU pros had the absolute best mechanics you could have in SC2. Well, apparently, that's not true.
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On October 18 2012 19:40 batterseapower wrote:Or in this case, synchronised stimming.
you made me chortle a bit there
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On October 18 2012 19:39 Fionn wrote:
Bogus also is, I believe, #2 currently on the KR GM ladder with a 62% win rate. This was talked about in his last winner interview that he is the only player on ladder that high up with the same win rate as Life.
Dear god, that's him? I was wondering who the hell that terran was at the top of the KR/TW ladder. That's crazy.
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On October 18 2012 19:40 batterseapower wrote:Or in this case, synchronised stimming.
WP XD
I loved listening to them figure this out~
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On October 18 2012 19:37 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:35 CursivE wrote:
Man I'm really digging Khaldor and Wolf these days. Second favourite SC2 to watch other than Liquid'Sea's stream. Their awkwardness at times is almost adorable to watch, i've really really grown to like those two weirdo's together.
Yeah, they're really good together now. I get the feeling they've worked on it a lot recently.
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On October 18 2012 19:40 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 18 2012 19:38 Fragile51 wrote:On October 18 2012 19:36 silent_owl wrote:On October 18 2012 19:33 FakeDeath wrote:On October 18 2012 19:32 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:30 Blaec wrote:On October 18 2012 19:28 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote:
Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC. He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball. Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better. Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1. To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining. To be fair Rain winning games sometimes doesn't even make sense, and i'm referring to his series vs Parting especially. Game 1 broke my mind about things i thought i knew about PvP. That was actually just silly. It was so silly. It broke my brain. o_O What happened? Didn't watch much WCS because PvZ and PvP hurt my soul most of the time. And then I watched the worst of the PvZs if the thread was any indication and turned it off again. Anyway, what broke you?
Parting had an advantage in economy I think, colossi count equal, Parting had phoenixes... and then Rain just attacked into him and won.
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