How they got here!! Sirius defeated Salmosa 2-0 and MMA 2-0 Sniper fell from Code S Ro32 and defeated KeeN 2-0 sHy defeated jjakji 2-0 and Sparta 2-0 Seed fell from Code S Ro16 Bogus defeated YugiOh 2-1 and Bomber 2-0 Happy fell from Code S Ro16 Trap defeated Oz 2-0 and SuperNova 2-0 GuMiho fell from Code S Ro32 and defeated BBoongBBoong 2-1
I ran my Elo-based probability script a few times again. Based on the ratings, Sniper is an overwhelming favourite to win, and in the other matches, the ESF players are favoured by about 55-45. (Is Shy really that good?)
On October 18 2012 16:32 TheBB wrote: I ran my Elo-based probability script a few times again. Based on the ratings, Sniper is an overwhelming favourite to win, and in the other matches, the ESF players are favoured by about 55-45. (Is Shy really that good?)
On October 18 2012 16:32 TheBB wrote: I ran my Elo-based probability script a few times again. Based on the ratings, Sniper is an overwhelming favourite to win, and in the other matches, the ESF players are favoured by about 55-45. (Is Shy really that good?)
Most likely winner: GuMiho (54.308%) Most likely outcome: Trap 0-2 GuMiho (27.958%)
Hm. I will check this out again after the games. I wonder how accurate this could be ^.^
I tried it with the GSL semis, and it flunked both tests. XD
Though to be honest, the only thing you should read from those numbers is that Sniper will likely win, and the other matches are essentially open (which doesn't mean that they will be close).
On October 18 2012 16:32 TheBB wrote: I ran my Elo-based probability script a few times again. Based on the ratings, Sniper is an overwhelming favourite to win, and in the other matches, the ESF players are favoured by about 55-45. (Is Shy really that good?)
Most likely winner: GuMiho (54.308%) Most likely outcome: Trap 0-2 GuMiho (27.958%)
Hm. I will check this out again after the games. I wonder how accurate this could be ^.^
I tried it with the GSL semis, and it flunked both tests. XD
Though to be honest, the only thing you should read from those numbers is that Sniper will likely win, and the other matches are essentially open (which doesn't mean that they will be close).
So we should maybe call it the 'statistical jinx'? :D Thank you for posting it though. I like to read those statistics before the game so please keep them coming
On October 18 2012 17:24 Dasende wrote: HaXX or whomever, can you do the kpop today? A little busy so not sure if I'll be done in time.
He's at school giving a speech on space or some shit today
Lost his pashun.
Can't see Sirius beating Sniper, Sniper seems to be eternally underrated and has shown that especially in ZvZ he is not to be messed with. Shy vs Seed i predict being very one sided as well, even though it's still PvP and anything can happen...Shy has also proven himself to be quite competent so i dunno if it's going to be as much of a romp for Seed as i predict it to be.
Bogus vs Happy should be fun, and i do think Bogus should win that, but it's going to be close. Gumiho vs Trap is a difficult one, i really like Trap but i like Gumiho even more, so i'm just going to hope that it's a great series and not try and predict that outcome >_<
There was Infinite today, and a year old at that? Odd, kinda goes against what has been the standard for a while now. Not that I mind, I really wish we could go back to playing Fiction every single day.
On October 18 2012 17:58 Hall0wed wrote: There was Infinite today, and a year old at that? Odd, kinda goes against what has been the standard for a while now. Not that I mind, I really wish we could go back to playing Fiction every single day.
It just occurred to me how incredibly formulaic almost every k-pop music video is. You can almost interchange them and you wouldn't notice the difference.
On October 18 2012 18:16 Chill Penguin wrote: FXO fighting!
If Sirius can take down Sniper, it will imo be the biggest 'out of nowhere' Code S qualification we've ever seen.
Absolutely, but to be fair..Sniper is probably the first Really hard opponent he has faced so far. Salmosa isn't that great and MMA looked pretty bad as well, so Sniper is really going to be his first proper test.
Code A Ro24 Mirror Match Day and then that one PvT Sirius vs Sniper Game 1 Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Sirius spawns in the top right Sniper spawns in the bottom left
1:00 9 pool for Sniper
2:00 15 hatch for Sirius lings started for Sniper 2 more drones for Sirius after hatch gas before pool for Sirius sirius sees the lings with his overlord pool started
On October 18 2012 18:18 Alfindor wrote: Shellshock1122 > Man, thank you SO much for LR this ! Much appreciated as I am at work and I can't watch this !
On October 18 2012 18:18 Alfindor wrote: Shellshock1122 > Man, thank you SO much for LR this ! Much appreciated as I am at work and I can't watch this !
Code A Ro24 Mirror Match Day and then that one PvT Sirius vs Sniper Game 1 Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Sirius spawns in the top right Sniper spawns in the bottom left
1:00 9 pool for Sniper
2:00 15 hatch for Sirius lings started for Sniper 2 more drones for Sirius after hatch gas before pool for Sirius sirius sees the lings with his overlord pool started
3:00 lings from sniper are dpsing the building hatchery hatch cancelled at the last second
4:00 lings in Sirius's main as the pool finishes ling vs drone battle hatch started fr Sniper almost all the drones are in the red 8 are dead already lings from Sirius chase out Sniper's lings ling speed started for Sirius
5:00 Sniper ahead 18 to 10 drones gas for Sniper Hatch restarted for Sirius spine going up for Sniper
6:00 Ling speed started for Sniper spinecrawler moved to Sniper's natural
7:00 baneling nest started for Sniper Sniper 11 drones ahead spine started in Sirius's natural
Code A Ro24 Mirror Match Day and then that one PvT Sirius vs Sniper Game 1 Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Sirius spawns in the top right Sniper spawns in the bottom left
1:00 9 pool for Sniper
2:00 15 hatch for Sirius lings started for Sniper 2 more drones for Sirius after hatch gas before pool for Sirius sirius sees the lings with his overlord pool started
3:00 lings from sniper are dpsing the building hatchery hatch cancelled at the last second
4:00 lings in Sirius's main as the pool finishes ling vs drone battle hatch started fr Sniper almost all the drones are in the red 8 are dead already lings from Sirius chase out Sniper's lings ling speed started for Sirius
5:00 Sniper ahead 18 to 10 drones gas for Sniper Hatch restarted for Sirius spine going up for Sniper
6:00 Ling speed started for Sniper spinecrawler moved to Sniper's natural
7:00 baneling nest started for Sniper Sniper 11 drones ahead spine started in Sirius's natural
8:00 roach warren started for sniper evo chamber started for sniper 7 banelings morphing for sniper baneling nest started for sirius
9:00 banelings heading into sirius's natural they bypass the natural and head straight into the main Sirius ggs Sniper takes a 1-0 lead
Code A Ro24 Day 3 Sirius vs Sniper Game 2 Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Sirius spawns in the top left Sniper spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Hatch first for Sniper Hatch first for Sirius pool for sniper pool for sirius gas for sniper gas for sirius (mirror builds if you haven't figured it out)
3:00 drones were made and some queens
4:00 ling speed started for Sniper ling speed started for Sirius Sirius pulls 2 out of gas Sniper leaves all 3 in gas baneling nest started for Sniper
5:00 spinecrawler started in the natural for Sirius Baneling nest started for Sirius ling from Sniper scouts the main of Sirius
6:00 spinecrawler started for Sniper Lair started for Sniper evo chamber started for Sniper Sirius morphing 5 banes outside Sniper's natural 2nd spine for Sniper defensive banes morphed for Sniper
7:00 Sirius attacks into the natural banelings trade really inefficiently for Sirius only 1 drone dies Lair finishes for Sniper Roach warren finishing up for sniper
Code A Ro24 Day 3 Sirius vs Sniper Game 2 Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Sirius spawns in the top left Sniper spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Hatch first for Sniper Hatch first for Sirius pool for sniper pool for sirius gas for sniper gas for sirius (mirror builds if you haven't figured it out)
3:00 drones were made and some queens
4:00 ling speed started for Sniper ling speed started for Sirius Sirius pulls 2 out of gas Sniper leaves all 3 in gas baneling nest started for Sniper
5:00 spinecrawler started in the natural for Sirius Baneling nest started for Sirius ling from Sniper scouts the main of Sirius
6:00 spinecrawler started for Sniper Lair started for Sniper evo chamber started for Sniper Sirius morphing 5 banes outside Sniper's natural 2nd spine for Sniper defensive banes morphed for Sniper
7:00 Sirius attacks into the natural banelings trade really inefficiently for Sirius only 1 drone dies Lair finishes for Sniper Roach warren finishing up for sniper
8:00 +1 range attack started for Sniper Roach warren started for Sirius 3rd base started for Sniper evo chamber on the way for Sirius
9:00 Roach speed started for Sniper Lair finishes for Sirius +1 range attack started for Sirius Roach speed started for Sirius
10:00 Hydralisk den started for Sniper 3rd base started for Sirius Sniper 10 drones ahead
11:00 +2 attack started for Sniper Hydra range started for Sniper
12:00 +2 attack started for Sirius Sirius breaks down the rocks to Sniper's 3rd infestation pit started for Sniper Burrow started for Sirius
Code A Ro24 Day 3 Sirius vs Sniper Game 2 Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Sirius spawns in the top left Sniper spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Hatch first for Sniper Hatch first for Sirius pool for sniper pool for sirius gas for sniper gas for sirius (mirror builds if you haven't figured it out)
3:00 drones were made and some queens
4:00 ling speed started for Sniper ling speed started for Sirius Sirius pulls 2 out of gas Sniper leaves all 3 in gas baneling nest started for Sniper
5:00 spinecrawler started in the natural for Sirius Baneling nest started for Sirius ling from Sniper scouts the main of Sirius
6:00 spinecrawler started for Sniper Lair started for Sniper evo chamber started for Sniper Sirius morphing 5 banes outside Sniper's natural 2nd spine for Sniper defensive banes morphed for Sniper
7:00 Sirius attacks into the natural banelings trade really inefficiently for Sirius only 1 drone dies Lair finishes for Sniper Roach warren finishing up for sniper
8:00 +1 range attack started for Sniper Roach warren started for Sirius 3rd base started for Sniper evo chamber on the way for Sirius
9:00 Roach speed started for Sniper Lair finishes for Sirius +1 range attack started for Sirius Roach speed started for Sirius
10:00 Hydralisk den started for Sniper 3rd base started for Sirius Sniper 10 drones ahead
11:00 +2 attack started for Sniper Hydra range started for Sniper
12:00 +2 attack started for Sirius Sirius breaks down the rocks to Sniper's 3rd infestation pit started for Sniper Burrow started for Sirius
13:00 Sniper pushing across the map forcing Sirius back
14:00 Sirius pulls Sniper's army with 1 group of roaches a 2nd group of roaches runs into Sniper's 3rd and natural +1 carapace started for both players burrow started for sniper pathogen galnds started for sniper the main army of Sirius attacks but ends up backing off right away
15:00 roaches in the main mineral line of sniper Sniper comes home to clean up the roaches roaches burrow in the main mineral line but an overseer is nearby
16:00 Sirius attacks into the 3rd of Sniper again with a small group of roaches the main armies engage but Sniper's Hydra+roach composition comes out ahead of the pure roach comp of Sirius
17:00 Sniper attacking towards Sirius's base Macro hatch started for Sniper infestor production begins for Sniper Sniper's roach-hydra army is too strong and breaking through Sirius's forces Sirius ggs! Sniper wins the series 2-0
also wtf, wolf calling seed similar to nada lol....... seed needs at least another GSL trophy to be even compared to nada rofl, and i dont expect to happen anyway
Code A Ro24 Day 3 sHy vs Seed Game 1 Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 sHy spawns in the top right Seed spawns in the bottom right
1:45 gateway first for both players
2:00 gas for sHy double gas for Seed Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for sHy 2nd gate or both players stalker started for both players
4:00 2 sentries started for sHy 2 stalkers started for Seed
5:00 Nexus for sHy Robo for Seed Robo for sHy
6:00 3rd gateway for both players observer first for Seed immortal first for sHy
7:00 immortal production started for Seed Seed supply blocked for quite a bit Nexus started for Seed observer out for sHy 2nd immortal started for sHy Robotics bay started for Seed
8:00 2nd immortal on the way for Seed 4th gateway added for Seed 3rd immortal started for sHy Colossus production started for Seed
9:00 Robotics bay started for sHy first colossus completed for Seed 4th gate for sHy Colossus production started for sHy immortal started for Seed
10:00 sHy cut worker production Seed now ahead 6 workers sHy making workers again observer of sHy killed Seed attacking into the natural of sHy Colossus comes out for sHy and pushes Seed back
Did Seed have 2 workers per gas (4 in total) intentionally? I saw this happen in Rain vs Mvp too. Is this kinda common among Protoss players these days?
Code A Ro24 Day 3 sHy vs Seed Game 1 Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 sHy spawns in the top right Seed spawns in the bottom right
1:45 gateway first for both players
2:00 gas for sHy double gas for Seed Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for sHy 2nd gate or both players stalker started for both players
4:00 2 sentries started for sHy 2 stalkers started for Seed
5:00 Nexus for sHy Robo for Seed Robo for sHy
6:00 3rd gateway for both players observer first for Seed immortal first for sHy
7:00 immortal production started for Seed Seed supply blocked for quite a bit Nexus started for Seed observer out for sHy 2nd immortal started for sHy Robotics bay started for Seed
8:00 2nd immortal on the way for Seed 4th gateway added for Seed 3rd immortal started for sHy Colossus production started for Seed
9:00 Robotics bay started for sHy first colossus completed for Seed 4th gate for sHy Colossus production started for sHy immortal started for Seed
10:00 sHy cut worker production Seed now ahead 6 workers sHy making workers again observer of sHy killed Seed attacking into the natural of sHy Colossus comes out for sHy and pushes Seed back
11:00 sHy chasing Seed back across the map sHy pushing into Seed's natural Seed's immortals were already low hp 2nd colossus comes out for Seed probes are pulled at the natural of Seed
12:00 Seed is able to briefly push sHy out of his natural sHy regroups and attacks again sHy up 50 supply the first colossus of Seed falls 2 immortals and a colossus still alive for sHy Seed has to gg as his army falls! sHy wins game 1!
That's some bad play by Seed. Why go out when you just expanded, and your opponent has already capitalized on the expansion for a while? Should just swallow the disadvantage and turtle for late game.
On October 18 2012 18:59 MangoMountain wrote: Esf vs kespa nerves showing, seed doesn't usually get supply blocked like that
Curious and Polt beat the shit out of mini/Terminator.
Shy is really good. Shy/Trap/Rain, Roro/Effort/hyvaa, JD or CH and Last/Bogus/Flash would be my picks for the top three of the elephant races so far. Need to see more of Fantasy.
Judging by their hands during warm-ups, it seems these Kespa pros are now using the standard SC2 hotkeys instead of using the BW hotkeys like ForGG and other ex-BW players who switched over just a little earlier.
shy improves to 14-2 in televised Korean SC2 matches
edit: agree with Fionn 100%, but I also think BaBy is gonna be really good.
(A few years ago sHy/Sky[kal]/Dear dominated Dream League for OZ, but then somehow failed in the playoffs... Sky is doing really well in SoSPA leagues now, but idk what happened to Dear.)
On October 18 2012 18:59 MangoMountain wrote: Esf vs kespa nerves showing, seed doesn't usually get supply blocked like that
Curious and Polt beat the shit out of mini/Terminator.
Shy is really good. Shy/Trap/Rain, Roro/Effort/hyvaa, JD or CH and Last/Bogus/Flash would be my picks for the top three of the elephant races so far. Need to see more of Fantasy.
Code A Ro24 Day 3 sHy vs Seed Game 2 Map: Whirlwind
sHy spawns in the bottom right Seed spawns in the top right
1:45 Gateway first for Seed
2:00 double gas for Seed 16 gate for sHy double gas for sHy Cybernetics core for Seed
3:00 2nd gate for sHy Cybernetics core for sHy stalker and warp gate research started for Seed; sHy's cyber at 50%
4:00 Twilight council for Seed Warp gate research started for sHy double sentry started for sHy robo started for sHy blink started for Seed
5:00 2 more gates added for Seed 3rd sentry on the way for sHy
6:00 Nexus started for sHy observer first from sHy immortal production begins for sHy Blink completes for Seed Warp gate research finishes for sHy Seed attacks into the natural
7:00 Seed blinks into the main the immortal comes out Seed has to blink out of the main sentries were killed -- 1 left Seed targeting the natural nexus twilight council started for sHy nexus cancelled at the natural
8:00 Seed blinks into the main 1st immortal targeted down right away 2nd immortal dies but only 3 stalkers are left Seed has to back off and get another warp in Seed trying to attack again another immortal comes out and Seed backs off Blink started for sHy
9:00 Seed starts his natural nexus sHy pushing out across the map chasing Seed's forces away robo started for Seed Nexus restarted for sHy sHy 15 supply ahead and has lost less resources than Seed probe count is equal 30 - 30
Interesting. I thought it was over when he let Seed up. Having two immortals apparently is enough. Nice econ advantage by sHy because of the late gate. I think if Seed just went for a straight-up 4 gate, he would've won straight away.
Code A Ro24 Day 3 sHy vs Seed Game 2 Map: Whirlwind
sHy spawns in the bottom right Seed spawns in the top right
1:45 Gateway first for Seed
2:00 double gas for Seed 16 gate for sHy double gas for sHy Cybernetics core for Seed
3:00 2nd gate for sHy Cybernetics core for sHy stalker and warp gate research started for Seed; sHy's cyber at 50%
4:00 Twilight council for Seed Warp gate research started for sHy double sentry started for sHy robo started for sHy blink started for Seed
5:00 2 more gates added for Seed 3rd sentry on the way for sHy
6:00 Nexus started for sHy observer first from sHy immortal production begins for sHy Blink completes for Seed Warp gate research finishes for sHy Seed attacks into the natural
7:00 Seed blinks into the main the immortal comes out Seed has to blink out of the main sentries were killed -- 1 left Seed targeting the natural nexus twilight council started for sHy nexus cancelled at the natural
8:00 Seed blinks into the main 1st immortal targeted down right away 2nd immortal dies but only 3 stalkers are left Seed has to back off and get another warp in Seed trying to attack again another immortal comes out and Seed backs off Blink started for sHy
9:00 Seed starts his natural nexus sHy pushing out across the map chasing Seed's forces away robo started for Seed Nexus restarted for sHy sHy 15 supply ahead and has lost less resources than Seed probe count is equal 30 - 30
10:00 sHy adding on another gate observer coming out for Seed Robotics bay started for Seed
11:00 forward pylon goes down for sHy blink finishes for sHy 2 immortals in sHy's army first immortal being built for Seed sHy blinks into the natural and gets his zealots in first immortal out for Seed
12:00 sHy has to blink out because his own immortals cannot engage supply counts are now even Seed adding on another gate Robotics bay was cancelled for Seed before the battle
13:00 3rd immortal started for sHy another gate added on for Seed Seed pushing across the map 2nd immortal started for Seed Robotics Bay started for sHy Robotics Bay started for Seed forge started for sHy observer of sHy is killed
14:00 +1 attack started for sHy forge started for Seed Colossus production begins for sHy Extended thermal lance research started for sHy Colossus production begins for Seed Extended thermal lance research started for Seed
15:00 2nd robo started for sHy +1 attack started for Seed 3rd base started for Seed
Code A Ro24 Day 3 sHy vs Seed Game 2 Map: Whirlwind
sHy spawns in the bottom right Seed spawns in the top right
1:45 Gateway first for Seed
2:00 double gas for Seed 16 gate for sHy double gas for sHy Cybernetics core for Seed
3:00 2nd gate for sHy Cybernetics core for sHy stalker and warp gate research started for Seed; sHy's cyber at 50%
4:00 Twilight council for Seed Warp gate research started for sHy double sentry started for sHy robo started for sHy blink started for Seed
5:00 2 more gates added for Seed 3rd sentry on the way for sHy
6:00 Nexus started for sHy observer first from sHy immortal production begins for sHy Blink completes for Seed Warp gate research finishes for sHy Seed attacks into the natural
7:00 Seed blinks into the main the immortal comes out Seed has to blink out of the main sentries were killed -- 1 left Seed targeting the natural nexus twilight council started for sHy nexus cancelled at the natural
8:00 Seed blinks into the main 1st immortal targeted down right away 2nd immortal dies but only 3 stalkers are left Seed has to back off and get another warp in Seed trying to attack again another immortal comes out and Seed backs off Blink started for sHy
9:00 Seed starts his natural nexus sHy pushing out across the map chasing Seed's forces away robo started for Seed Nexus restarted for sHy sHy 15 supply ahead and has lost less resources than Seed probe count is equal 30 - 30
10:00 sHy adding on another gate observer coming out for Seed Robotics bay started for Seed
11:00 forward pylon goes down for sHy blink finishes for sHy 2 immortals in sHy's army first immortal being built for Seed sHy blinks into the natural and gets his zealots in first immortal out for Seed
12:00 sHy has to blink out because his own immortals cannot engage supply counts are now even Seed adding on another gate Robotics bay was cancelled for Seed before the battle
13:00 3rd immortal started for sHy another gate added on for Seed Seed pushing across the map 2nd immortal started for Seed Robotics Bay started for sHy Robotics Bay started for Seed forge started for sHy observer of sHy is killed
14:00 +1 attack started for sHy forge started for Seed Colossus production begins for sHy Extended thermal lance research started for sHy Colossus production begins for Seed Extended thermal lance research started for Seed
15:00 2nd robo started for sHy +1 attack started for Seed 3rd base started for Seed
16:00 3rd base started for sHy double colossus production for sHy 2 more gates for Seed +2 attack started for sHy charge started for Seed 2nd robo started for SEed
17:00 Templar archives started for Seed 3 immortals 4 colossus for sHy; 2 immortals 3 colossus for Seed Charge started for sHy
18:00 double colossus production begins for Seed 2 more gates added on for sHy Templar archives started for sHy +2 attack started for Seed
19:00 4 stalker runby by sHy into the 3rd of Seed 6 probes are picked off +3 attack started for sHy
20:00 Archon production begins for Seed 2 more gates added on for both players archon production begins for sHy 4th base started for sHy both players switching back to immortal production 8 colossi vs 7 colossi in favor of sHy 4th base started for Seed
Code A Ro24 Day 3 sHy vs Seed Game 2 Map: Whirlwind
sHy spawns in the bottom right Seed spawns in the top right
1:45 Gateway first for Seed
2:00 double gas for Seed 16 gate for sHy double gas for sHy Cybernetics core for Seed
3:00 2nd gate for sHy Cybernetics core for sHy stalker and warp gate research started for Seed; sHy's cyber at 50%
4:00 Twilight council for Seed Warp gate research started for sHy double sentry started for sHy robo started for sHy blink started for Seed
5:00 2 more gates added for Seed 3rd sentry on the way for sHy
6:00 Nexus started for sHy observer first from sHy immortal production begins for sHy Blink completes for Seed Warp gate research finishes for sHy Seed attacks into the natural
7:00 Seed blinks into the main the immortal comes out Seed has to blink out of the main sentries were killed -- 1 left Seed targeting the natural nexus twilight council started for sHy nexus cancelled at the natural
8:00 Seed blinks into the main 1st immortal targeted down right away 2nd immortal dies but only 3 stalkers are left Seed has to back off and get another warp in Seed trying to attack again another immortal comes out and Seed backs off Blink started for sHy
9:00 Seed starts his natural nexus sHy pushing out across the map chasing Seed's forces away robo started for Seed Nexus restarted for sHy sHy 15 supply ahead and has lost less resources than Seed probe count is equal 30 - 30
10:00 sHy adding on another gate observer coming out for Seed Robotics bay started for Seed
11:00 forward pylon goes down for sHy blink finishes for sHy 2 immortals in sHy's army first immortal being built for Seed sHy blinks into the natural and gets his zealots in first immortal out for Seed
12:00 sHy has to blink out because his own immortals cannot engage supply counts are now even Seed adding on another gate Robotics bay was cancelled for Seed before the battle
13:00 3rd immortal started for sHy another gate added on for Seed Seed pushing across the map 2nd immortal started for Seed Robotics Bay started for sHy Robotics Bay started for Seed forge started for sHy observer of sHy is killed
14:00 +1 attack started for sHy forge started for Seed Colossus production begins for sHy Extended thermal lance research started for sHy Colossus production begins for Seed Extended thermal lance research started for Seed
15:00 2nd robo started for sHy +1 attack started for Seed 3rd base started for Seed
16:00 3rd base started for sHy double colossus production for sHy 2 more gates for Seed +2 attack started for sHy charge started for Seed 2nd robo started for SEed
17:00 Templar archives started for Seed 3 immortals 4 colossus for sHy; 2 immortals 3 colossus for Seed Charge started for sHy
18:00 double colossus production begins for Seed 2 more gates added on for sHy Templar archives started for sHy +2 attack started for Seed
19:00 4 stalker runby by sHy into the 3rd of Seed 6 probes are picked off +3 attack started for sHy
20:00 Archon production begins for Seed 2 more gates added on for both players archon production begins for sHy 4th base started for sHy both players switching back to immortal production 8 colossi vs 7 colossi in favor of sHy 4th base started for Seed
21:00 blink stalkers from sHy kill the building 4th base of Seed +3 attack started for Seed 4th restarted for Seed 9 colossi vs 8 colossi in favor of sHy 6 immortals vs 4 immortals in favor of sHy
22:00 both players are maxed +3 finishes for sHy stalker runby to the 3rd of Seed is deflected by stakers +1 armor started for sHy
23:00 sHy pushing towards Seed's base 2 observers on the way for sHy 4 stalkers of sHy harassing the 4th of seed but they are killed off
24:00 2nd forge started for sHy stargate started for Seed 7 zealot runby from sHy into the natural of Seed
25:00 sHy engages Seed and gets off the first shots zealots flank Seed's army and start hitting the colossi Seed loses all his immortals Seed is down by 6 colossi sHy is ahead by 50 supply
26:00 Seed has 0 colossi left Seed ggs! sHy wins 2-0!
Proxy pylon while clearing enough pop space from the zealot harrass (with Seed's Zealots still there defending, way out of position), with the instant spawn at the proxy to change enough Colossus shots so that sOs' front wasn't dying.
That's really the difficult part of PvP once you're maxed, imo. Not enough cannons/defense, and you get stretched even a little bit, and it's super difficult to allocate units. It sort of reminds me of early PvP where it was 4gate vs 4gate where a few units made all the difference in the world. But now, it's late game.
Kespa players in mirror matchups are just insanely good.. its like they are a level above the competition in mirror matchups but are like even / slightly worse in other matchups to code s esf players
On October 18 2012 19:22 sertas wrote: Kespa players in mirror matchups are just insanely good.. its like they are a level above the competition in mirror matchups but are like even / slightly worse in other matchups to code s esf players
The top Kespa players now in SC2(Shy,Sun and Roro) aren't just good at mirrors.
They are insanely good in late-game. Probably BW experience since games averagely goes much longer on BW games.
On October 18 2012 19:19 X3GoldDot wrote: see, told u all seed was a 1 time thing
lol, how many players do we have that hasn't even won ONE GSL...
hence one time thing, as of now there are players better than him, but seed is still better than nestea, a 3 time champion, and MMA, a 2 time champion. Past results dont mean much at how good the person is currently....
Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
On October 18 2012 19:22 sertas wrote: Kespa players in mirror matchups are just insanely good.. its like they are a level above the competition in mirror matchups but are like even / slightly worse in other matchups to code s esf players
Kespa PvP is particularly impressive. They often seem to have better lategame compositions, i.e. light on zealots, heavy on immortal+archon.
Can't believe Seed giving that game away like that.... even if he was a tiny bit behind he still donated it to him when he completely bunched his units while in range... hell you guys already know all about it we've seen pvp end that way a million times. Just really aggravating when our last season champ gets knocked out 2-0 by some random kespa kid who has this blank stare and smug smile. Damnit Seed.... you make me love you with all your badass heart on your sleeve attitudes and then you go and lose to this guy. BLAH!
This song is quite possibly the best song ever to be played during GSL. Even if I was still laying down this song is good for passing the time, some songs just feel like you're waiting but that ones a jam.
---do not get to close to the water if you do not wanna get wet YAAAAAAAAAAH
Edit: remember when I talked bout songs that just feel like you're waiting for them to end...... yeah......
On October 18 2012 19:19 X3GoldDot wrote: see, told u all seed was a 1 time thing
lol, how many players do we have that hasn't even won ONE GSL...
hence one time thing, as of now there are players better than him, but seed is still better than nestea, a 3 time champion, and MMA, a 2 time champion. Past results dont mean much at how good the person is currently....
But there is only 1 way to go after you win a GSL...
On October 18 2012 19:22 sertas wrote: Kespa players in mirror matchups are just insanely good.. its like they are a level above the competition in mirror matchups but are like even / slightly worse in other matchups to code s esf players
On October 18 2012 19:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: They should just award Bogus the 2-0 win here because Fionn already declared that the Season 5 finals will be Polt vs Bogus in Las Vegas
I said at the start of the season Bogus was one of the best KeSPA players, but got mocked at due to his terrible Hybrid Proleague record.
On October 18 2012 19:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: They should just award Bogus the 2-0 win here because Fionn already declared that the Season 5 finals will be Polt vs Bogus in Las Vegas
I said at the start of the season Bogus was one of the best KeSPA players, but got mocked at due to his terrible Hybrid Proleague record.
Bogus vs. Polt. Las Vegas. It's gonna be awesome.
lol but I'd back you up saying that Bogus is the contender for being the next generation hero of terran along with Baby.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
On October 18 2012 19:22 sertas wrote: Kespa players in mirror matchups are just insanely good.. its like they are a level above the competition in mirror matchups but are like even / slightly worse in other matchups to code s esf players
Kespa PvP is particularly impressive. They often seem to have better lategame compositions, i.e. light on zealots, heavy on immortal+archon.
Mirrors tend to depend much more heavily on fundamentals. When you and your opponent are making the same units, it all comes down to how fast you make them and how you use them.
On October 18 2012 19:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: They should just award Bogus the 2-0 win here because Fionn already declared that the Season 5 finals will be Polt vs Bogus in Las Vegas
I said at the start of the season Bogus was one of the best KeSPA players, but got mocked at due to his terrible Hybrid Proleague record.
Bogus vs. Polt. Las Vegas. It's gonna be awesome.
lol but I'd back you up saying that Bogus is the contender for being the next generation hero of terran along with Baby.
Hero of terran? So weird haircuts and bad teeth? :p
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
Definitely agreed. MC is also not known for his sick PvP as he states himself. And tbh, Seed mostly won the finals through build order wins/good planning.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
Definitely agreed. MC is also not known for his sick PvP as he states himself.
Agreed. MC's pvp has typically left a lot to be asked for since the end of the 4gate vs 4gate era compared to his other matchups
On October 18 2012 19:27 MCXD wrote: Oh no. Looks like it's gonna be 3-0 for KeSPA tonight after all.
Happy defeated By.Sun. Happy is the elephant killer that no one expects D: !!
To be fair he has disguised himself pretty heavily with his fumbling play in about every other aspect.
I hope he looks better than he did vs. Reality in WCS Korea though. That was rather brutal to watch. Most one-sided 2-1 I can remember in recent memory,
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
Definitely agreed. MC is also not known for his sick PvP as he states himself.
During the era of MC's GSL titles he was known very much so for his PvP. Was almost the same standing as Nestea ZvZ, except he lost ocassionally.
On October 18 2012 19:22 sertas wrote: Kespa players in mirror matchups are just insanely good.. its like they are a level above the competition in mirror matchups but are like even / slightly worse in other matchups to code s esf players
Kespa PvP is particularly impressive. They often seem to have better lategame compositions, i.e. light on zealots, heavy on immortal+archon.
Mirrors tend to depend much more heavily on fundamentals. When you and your opponent are making the same units, it all comes down to how fast you make them and how you use them.
This. These kespa pros have the basics down to pat hence the mirror wins. I remember the Roro win last night, he was just sending out the infested Terrans faster and dancing around more actively. I think sHy did the same. Was just on point with his scouting and denied Seed scouting on his end and was more active around the map allowing him favorable engagements against Seed.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
Squirtle seems to have lost his edge at PvP lately. He dropped a game to Zanubis and lost to monchi at IeSF
On October 18 2012 19:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: They should just award Bogus the 2-0 win here because Fionn already declared that the Season 5 finals will be Polt vs Bogus in Las Vegas
I said at the start of the season Bogus was one of the best KeSPA players, but got mocked at due to his terrible Hybrid Proleague record.
Bogus vs. Polt. Las Vegas. It's gonna be awesome.
lol but I'd back you up saying that Bogus is the contender for being the next generation hero of terran along with Baby.
Hero of terran? So weird haircuts and bad teeth? :p
I kid i kid.
lol
that weird haircut was because the old head chassis was damaged but they couldn't get it fixed in time.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
Definitely agreed. MC is also not known for his sick PvP as he states himself.
During the era of MC's GSL titles he was known very much so for his PvP. Was almost the same standing as Nestea ZvZ, except he lost ocassionally.
Nowdays yeah =S
that was because of his micro he won most of the 4g vs 4g matches
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
Look at Squirtle's recent PvP results. I suspect he said something about skill in PvP.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
During that PvP.... every time Wolf or Khaldor said the word "Concave" it immediately brought me back to Code S I think it was the night with HerO vs Rain..... every time Tasteless would say "He wants to get a concave to his convex" must had said that word convex about 200 times that day cause it started to really bug me. Now every time they say concave I hear Tasteless' voice..... CONVEX, CONVEX, CONVEX. T_T
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
Look at Squirtle's recent PvP results. I suspect he said something about skill in PvP.
It's almost like he made a deal with the devil, he no longer loses to 11/11 but he can't play a PvP worth jack anymore :p
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
Well, two elephants fell yesterday (much to my dismay) but maybe it'll be good for us today.
Happy to see that the elephants are going to make an invasion in Code S, not just because I'm a Kespa fan but I think this'll force the eSF players to up their game raising the level of competition in Korea. Foreigners better watch out because once practice gets even more serious in KR, they're gonna have to change their somewhat relaxed approach to the game.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
He actually just has the best macro PvP in the world right now. I hope he says it's all skill soon so other protoss can beat him again.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
And before that he lost to Creator in WCS Korea, herO[join] in PL then beat Parting in OSL, HerO in GSL. and then his run at WCS Asia.
On October 18 2012 19:34 silent_owl wrote: Well, two elephants fell yesterday (much to my dismay) but maybe it'll be good for us today.
Happy to see that the elephants are going to make an invasion in Code S, not just because I'm a Kespa fan but I think this'll force the eSF players to up their game raising the level of competition in Korea. Foreigners better watch out because once practice gets even more serious in KR, they're gonna have to change their somewhat relaxed approach to the game.
To my understanding,foreigners as a whole with one or 2 exceptions can't compete with the Koreans.
Kespa coming in was just the final nail in the coffin.
On October 18 2012 19:35 CursivE wrote: Man I'm really digging Khaldor and Wolf these days. Second favourite SC2 to watch other than Liquid'Sea's stream.
Their awkwardness at times is almost adorable to watch, i've really really grown to like those two weirdo's together.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
He actually just has the best macro PvP in the world right now. I hope he says it's all skill soon so other protoss can beat him again.
Talk about an easy bracket for Rain as well. He got basically the easiest bracket. He won the thing, so at least he doesn't have to prove anything, but he got 3 straight foreigners to reach the qualification point for the final WCS. :/ Anyone in his spot would've qualified, now he went beyond that so he proved to be the best PvP player in the tournament hands down, but meh, I just wish someone else had gotten that free seed. :p
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining.
To be fair Rain winning games sometimes doesn't even make sense, and i'm referring to his series vs Parting especially. Game 1 broke my mind about things i thought i knew about PvP.
0:00 BoguS spawns in the top left Happy spawns in the bottom left
2:00 CC first for both players on the high ground rax for both players in their mains gas for Happy
3:00 2nd rax for Bogus 2nd gas for Happy
4:00 Factory for Happy 3rd rax for Bogus double gas for Bogus Bogus moves his OC to the low ground reactor building for Happy
5:00 Happy moves his OC to the low ground starport started for Happy Tech lab on the rax for Bogus reactored hellion production started for Happy stim research started for Bogus
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining.
To be fair Rain winning games sometimes doesn't even make sense, and i'm referring to his series vs Parting especially. Game 1 broke my mind about things i thought i knew about PvP.
That was actually just silly. It was so silly. It broke my brain.
Bogus also is, I believe, #2 currently on the KR GM ladder with a 62% win rate. This was talked about in his last winner interview that he is the only player on ladder that high up with the same win rate as Life.
On October 18 2012 19:35 CursivE wrote: Man I'm really digging Khaldor and Wolf these days. Second favourite SC2 to watch other than Liquid'Sea's stream.
Their awkwardness at times is almost adorable to watch, i've really really grown to like those two weirdo's together.
Yeah, they are my favorite casting duo, together with Rotterdam and MrBitter. I think SC2 really has a bunch of great casters. Of course they also do a lot of small (or even bigger) mistakes but that's okay, I mean they have to talk all day long, from time to time mistakes just happen.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining.
To be fair Rain winning games sometimes doesn't even make sense, and i'm referring to his series vs Parting especially. Game 1 broke my mind about things i thought i knew about PvP.
That was actually just silly. It was so silly. It broke my brain.
o_O What happened? Didn't watch much WCS because PvZ and PvP hurt my soul most of the time. And then I watched the worst of the PvZs if the thread was any indication and turned it off again.
On October 18 2012 19:34 silent_owl wrote: Well, two elephants fell yesterday (much to my dismay) but maybe it'll be good for us today.
Happy to see that the elephants are going to make an invasion in Code S, not just because I'm a Kespa fan but I think this'll force the eSF players to up their game raising the level of competition in Korea. Foreigners better watch out because once practice gets even more serious in KR, they're gonna have to change their somewhat relaxed approach to the game.
To my understanding,foreigners as a whole with one or 2 exceptions can't compete with the Koreans.
Kespa coming in was just the final nail in the coffin.
I think so too but foreigners don't seem to think it. NightEnd's recent interview has him saying that Koreans are none different than Europeans. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt now (and I'm just being respectful to the EU WC3 pros) but in time both eSF and Kespa will up their games and get even more serious in their practice and I believe that as the Kespa pros have shown, having good fundamentals is not as irrelevant in the pro scene as other people think.
Rain and Roro have been in games wherein they've lost the build order battle but come back in the end by having better mechanics, scouting and taking favorable engagements. Maybe mechanics matter a little more than people have realized. Before the Kespa pros came, people talked about how most eSF and top EU pros had the absolute best mechanics you could have in SC2. Well, apparently, that's not true.
On October 18 2012 19:39 Fionn wrote: Bogus also is, I believe, #2 currently on the KR GM ladder with a 62% win rate. This was talked about in his last winner interview that he is the only player on ladder that high up with the same win rate as Life.
Dear god, that's him? I was wondering who the hell that terran was at the top of the KR/TW ladder. That's crazy.
On October 18 2012 19:35 CursivE wrote: Man I'm really digging Khaldor and Wolf these days. Second favourite SC2 to watch other than Liquid'Sea's stream.
Their awkwardness at times is almost adorable to watch, i've really really grown to like those two weirdo's together.
Yeah, they're really good together now. I get the feeling they've worked on it a lot recently.
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining.
To be fair Rain winning games sometimes doesn't even make sense, and i'm referring to his series vs Parting especially. Game 1 broke my mind about things i thought i knew about PvP.
That was actually just silly. It was so silly. It broke my brain.
o_O What happened? Didn't watch much WCS because PvZ and PvP hurt my soul most of the time. And then I watched the worst of the PvZs if the thread was any indication and turned it off again.
Anyway, what broke you?
Parting had an advantage in economy I think, colossi count equal, Parting had phoenixes... and then Rain just attacked into him and won.
On October 18 2012 19:34 silent_owl wrote: Well, two elephants fell yesterday (much to my dismay) but maybe it'll be good for us today.
Happy to see that the elephants are going to make an invasion in Code S, not just because I'm a Kespa fan but I think this'll force the eSF players to up their game raising the level of competition in Korea. Foreigners better watch out because once practice gets even more serious in KR, they're gonna have to change their somewhat relaxed approach to the game.
To my understanding,foreigners as a whole with one or 2 exceptions can't compete with the Koreans.
Kespa coming in was just the final nail in the coffin.
There will probably always be a few foreigners with raw talent who can perform amazing at times but you are right, koreans will dominate even harder. Our most professional foreigner team is arguably EG and look and the progress of them and the culture compared to professional esports culture in korean teams. But it will still be fun when the upsets do happen and they will for sure, just not very often.
On October 18 2012 19:39 Fionn wrote: Bogus also is, I believe, #2 currently on the KR GM ladder with a 62% win rate. This was talked about in his last winner interview that he is the only player on ladder that high up with the same win rate as Life.
0:00 BoguS spawns in the top left Happy spawns in the bottom left
2:00 CC first for both players on the high ground rax for both players in their mains gas for Happy
3:00 2nd rax for Bogus 2nd gas for Happy
4:00 Factory for Happy 3rd rax for Bogus double gas for Bogus Bogus moves his OC to the low ground reactor building for Happy
5:00 Happy moves his OC to the low ground starport started for Happy Tech lab on the rax for Bogus reactored hellion production started for Happy stim research started for Bogus
6:00 Cloak and banshee started for Happy ebay finishing up for Bogus Factory started for Bogus Marine wall at the natural Khaldor cant think of synchronized swimming +1 attack started for Bogus 3rd CC started for Happy
7:00 2 reactors added on to rax for Bogus Raven started for Happy missile turrets go up for Bogus 2 factories going up for Happy Banshee is deflected for 0 damage
8:00 starport going up for Bogus Hellions and a banshee try to poke into the natural but the marines push them away armory started for Happy first marauder out for Bogus Combat shields started for Bogus
9:00 reactored medivac production begins for Bogus first viking out for Happy siege tank production begins for Happy (2 at a time) siege mode research started for Happy blue flame research started for happy Bogus stims out of his natural with his first 2 medivacs to try and pick off some hellions and the banshee +1 vehicle weapons started for Happy
10:00 Bogus pulls a bunch of scvs from his natural ebay started for Happy siege mode finishes right before the attack pdd goes down in Happy's natural Bogus is still breaking through Happy loses all his tanks
11:00 Bogus breaks into the main Happy ggs! Bogus wins game 1!
On October 18 2012 19:25 Fragile51 wrote: Good googly moogly, 2-0? Vs a GSL champion with a knack for PvP? sHy is gonna go far, that's for damn sure. Then again i've been saying that a lot lately o_o
Actually, prior to the MC series, Seed was known for his weak PvP. I think people overrated his PvP when he beat MC.
He beat Squirtle 2:0 at WCS
He also beat Creator and lost to HerO (who on paper probably was the weakest in PvP out of the 3). PvP is just a very volatile matchup where just slight differences can snowball.
Well it boils down who can flipped the coin better.
Sun seems to be the best at flipping coin winning WCS Asia 12-1.
To put it, I think it's just about choosing smart build orders based on the maps (hence lowering the chances of losing the coin flip). Rain just picks the right builds per map and once the game goes late, the Kespa pros' fundamentals have been shining.
To be fair Rain winning games sometimes doesn't even make sense, and i'm referring to his series vs Parting especially. Game 1 broke my mind about things i thought i knew about PvP.
That was actually just silly. It was so silly. It broke my brain.
o_O What happened? Didn't watch much WCS because PvZ and PvP hurt my soul most of the time. And then I watched the worst of the PvZs if the thread was any indication and turned it off again.
Anyway, what broke you?
It's kinda hard to explain. Rain got behind from parting's opener pretty badly and it looked like he was going to be SOL for the rest of the game. He then pushed out with a bunch of blink stalkers and 2 colossi, blinked on top of some immortals which he basically got for free, and then just barged into partings natural where with some of the most amazing control as far as blink stalkers and colossus i've ever seen he absolutely dismantled parting as if what happened 3 minutes ago was no big deal. I still get confused just thinking about it, and Grubby and Artosis couldn't believe what they were watching too :p
I really liked that marine formation blocking the ramp, each marine perfectly placed. I know it's cliche to say this, but it really did remind me of BW.
On October 18 2012 19:44 Ribbon wrote: I really liked that marine formation blocking the ramp, each marine perfectly placed. I know it's cliche to say this, but it really did remind me of BW.
Damn. If Happy would have seen the SCVs in time and pulled all the SCVs at the natural to tank damage he would have held it. Nice timing by Bogus, that game was still much closer than it looked.
Pretty sure this is Bogus' SC2 account. 62% win rate. 2nd overall. One of the highest win rates on ladder behind Life's crazy 70% win ratio.
That was a sick timing.
Maybe he's going to be the MVP of 2013? Amazing ladder record but lacklustre performance in 2010, and then suddenly first season of 2011 he dominates everyone :p
On October 18 2012 19:44 Yello wrote: Damn. If Happy would have seen the SCVs in time and pulled all the SCVs at the natural to tank damage he would have held it. Nice timing by Bogus, that game was still much closer than it looked.
I don't think even a SCV pull could have save him. Happy committed a lot to the banshee and blue flame and they both were not in the fight. It would have been closer but Happy would have still lost.
He also had Raven/vikings... pdds don't do much vs marines. Happy needed like 2 fact tanks to hold that timing.
Sry for off topic here but i just checked GM eu and n1 is a zerg, WishUreHere with 133 - 35 79.17% win rate. Who is this? Those stats are crazy, even if Lifes 70% on KR server is more impressive.
Code A Ro24 Day 3 BoguS vs Happy Game 2 Map: Ohana
0:00 BoguS spawns to the bottom right Happy spawns to the top left
1:30 gas first for Happy rax first for Bogus
2:00 rax for Happy gas for Bogus wall off from Bogus
3:00 factory for Happy reactor started for Bogus
4:00 2nd gas for Happy CC started on the high ground for Bogus Starport started for Happy hellions started for Happy Factory on the way for Bogus
5:00 medivac started for happy tech lab on the rax next to the starport for Happy Starport started for Bogus synchronized marines at the top of the natural ramp for Bogus wards off hellions
6:00 cloak and banshee production started for Happy viking started for Bogus 3 hellion 2 marine drop loaded up for Happy ebay started for Bogus Bogus floats his OC to the low ground CC started in the natural for Happy marines dropped in the natural of Bogus
7:00 viking and marines chase away the drop of Happy missile turret going up for Bogus first banshee of Happy enters the main of Bogus
8:00 banshee flies too close to a turret. the 2 vikings of Bogus kill it with 0 scvs killed reactored hellion production for Happy Bogus pushing across the map with viking marine hellion tons of scvs pulled for Bogu sagain
On October 18 2012 19:50 Fjodorov wrote: Sry for off topic here but i just checked GM eu and n1 is a zerg, WishUreHere with 133 - 35 79.17% win rate. Who is this? Those stats are crazy, even if Lifes 70% on KR server is more impressive.
On October 18 2012 19:50 Fjodorov wrote: Sry for off topic here but i just checked GM eu and n1 is a zerg, WishUreHere with 133 - 35 79.17% win rate. Who is this? Those stats are crazy, even if Lifes 70% on KR server is more impressive.
btw rank 1-7 are all zerg on eu ^^
WishUreHere is nerchio/acer account, as far as i know. Scarlett might be able to confirm/deny that? :p
Code A Ro24 Day 3 BoguS vs Happy Game 2 Map: Ohana
0:00 BoguS spawns to the bottom right Happy spawns to the top left
1:30 gas first for Happy rax first for Bogus
2:00 rax for Happy gas for Bogus wall off from Bogus
3:00 factory for Happy reactor started for Bogus
4:00 2nd gas for Happy CC started on the high ground for Bogus Starport started for Happy hellions started for Happy Factory on the way for Bogus
5:00 medivac started for happy tech lab on the rax next to the starport for Happy Starport started for Bogus synchronized marines at the top of the natural ramp for Bogus wards off hellions
6:00 cloak and banshee production started for Happy viking started for Bogus 3 hellion 2 marine drop loaded up for Happy ebay started for Bogus Bogus floats his OC to the low ground CC started in the natural for Happy marines dropped in the natural of Bogus
7:00 viking and marines chase away the drop of Happy missile turret going up for Bogus first banshee of Happy enters the main of Bogus
8:00 banshee flies too close to a turret. the 2 vikings of Bogus kill it with 0 scvs killed reactored hellion production for Happy Bogus pushing across the map with viking marine hellion tons of scvs pulled for Bogu sagain
9:00 Raven out for Happy Bogus's pain train arrives at Happy's natural Happy cant get his wall up Bogus is in the main Happy pulls all his scvs only 9 scvs left for Bogus 3rd CC finishes for Happy
10:00 Happy holds off the attack with some hellions and a landed viking Happy has double Bogus's supply Happy ahead 23 - 9 workers raven started for Bogus Bunker started at the natural ramp for Happy 2nd factory started for Happy
11:00 Raven being made for both players 3rd factory started for Happy Happy ahead by 22 workers now
12:00 hellions from both players engaging in the middle of the map Bogus kills a few more than happy does Happy gets cornered and loses all his hellions 4th factory started for Happy
13:00 blue flame research started for Happy Bogus lands his 3 vikings and attacks up Happy's ramp Happy lands his vikings and pulls scvs to defend
14:00 Bogus's army is cleaned up by Happy's forces Bogus ggs! Happy wins game 2!
On October 18 2012 19:56 Probasaur wrote: Solid defense by our big man Happy.
Really? I haven't been too impressed by his play tonight. Lots of silly little mistakes all over the place, and that last fight was way too close for being up 30 friggin' workers, imho.
On October 18 2012 19:57 Shellshock1122 wrote: Maybe this is what they meant when they said bitbybit was playing again. They just kept facing this on the ladder
I know right? They just couldn't tell who it was cause their eyes said |||||||||||||||| but their heart and mind said
bogus is kinda refreshing guys. its like bitbybit has arisen once more, except his play is ten times crisper and sexier. hes even reaper rushing right now, so cool
On October 18 2012 20:00 corpsepose wrote: bogus is kinda refreshing guys. its like bitbybit has arisen once more, except his play is ten times crisper and sexier. hes even reaper rushing right now, so cool
On October 18 2012 20:00 corpsepose wrote: bogus is kinda refreshing guys. its like bitbybit has arisen once more, except his play is ten times crisper and sexier. hes even reaper rushing right now, so cool
Yeah its nice to see something different and all about offensive timings dependent upon perfect micro.
On October 18 2012 20:00 corpsepose wrote: bogus is kinda refreshing guys. its like bitbybit has arisen once more, except his play is ten times crisper and sexier. hes even reaper rushing right now, so cool
Code A Ro24 Day 3 BoguS vs Happy Game 3 Map: Daybreak
0:00 BoguS spawns in the top right Happy spawns in the bottom left
1:30 forward rax just out of range of the far watch tower from Bogus rax first in the main of Happy gas for Bogus
2:00 gas for Happy wall off from Happy
3:00 2nd gas for Bogus tech lab on the rax for Bogus reaper being made for Bogus reactor started for Happy on his barracks
4:00 Factory started next to the proxy rax for Bogus CC started on the low ground for Happy reaper deflected by the first 2 marines Factory started for Happy reactor building on Bogus's barracks Factory moved to the tech lab for bogus
5:00 Starport started for Bogus next to all the proxied buildings siege tank production begins for Bogus starport started for Happy reactored marine production started for Bogus bunker finishes in the natural for Happy reaper from Bogus enters the main of happy reaper is killed but gets a full scout
6:00 viking production started for Bogus hellion of happy is killed before it sees the buildings scan from Happy sees nothing in the main base 3rd tank on the way for Bogus ebay started for Happy
This totally feels like something that if Happy had information about Bogus' playstyle he'd have a counter. Whereas Happy has over a years worth of fairly standard macro play.
On October 18 2012 20:03 bittman wrote: This totally feels like something that if Happy had information about Bogus' playstyle he'd have a counter. Whereas Happy has over a years worth of fairly standard macro play.
Exactly. These things are easy to use in a situation like this, so it's a great idea, but you won't get very far if you can't play any other way, as we've seen so many times before. It's cool to watch, but it's not something that has longevity.
Code A Ro24 Day 3 BoguS vs Happy Game 3 Map: Daybreak
0:00 BoguS spawns in the top right Happy spawns in the bottom left
1:30 forward rax just out of range of the far watch tower from Bogus rax first in the main of Happy gas for Bogus
2:00 gas for Happy wall off from Happy
3:00 2nd gas for Bogus tech lab on the rax for Bogus reaper being made for Bogus reactor started for Happy on his barracks
4:00 Factory started next to the proxy rax for Bogus CC started on the low ground for Happy reaper deflected by the first 2 marines Factory started for Happy reactor building on Bogus's barracks Factory moved to the tech lab for bogus
5:00 Starport started for Bogus next to all the proxied buildings siege tank production begins for Bogus starport started for Happy reactored marine production started for Bogus bunker finishes in the natural for Happy reaper from Bogus enters the main of happy reaper is killed but gets a full scout
6:00 viking production started for Bogus hellion of happy is killed before it sees the buildings scan from Happy sees nothing in the main base 3rd tank on the way for Bogus ebay started for Happy
7:00 siege mode research started for Bogus Missile turrets started for Happy Raven started for Happy 4th tank on the way for Bogus reactored hellion production underway for Happy
8:00 scv production cut for Bogus at 23 4 tanks are out and Bogus starts pushing into the natural as siege mode finishes Bunker from Happy falls instantly
9:00 siege mode started for Happy siege tank production begins for Happy Bogus is sieged in range of the natural CC and the main ramp tech lab researching siege mode for Happy is killed Happy lifts his natural CC
10:00 Happy is losing his production facilities near the ramp 2nd starport is finished for Happy bunker for Bogus started in the main of Happy
11:00 tanks from Bogus are in Happy's main Bogus lands his vikings to help DPS the CC 3 bunkers going up in Happy's main for Bogus now Happy has to land his main OC Happy down 25 supply Cloak almost finished for Happy first banshee is out for Happy Happy has no mining and 0 minerals left
12:00 Cloak finishes for Happy Happy pulls all his units Happy loses everything Happy ggs! Bogus wins 2-1!
On October 18 2012 20:03 bittman wrote: This totally feels like something that if Happy had information about Bogus' playstyle he'd have a counter. Whereas Happy has over a years worth of fairly standard macro play.
Exactly. These things are easy to use in a situation like this, so it's a great idea, but you won't get very far if you can't play any other way, as we've seen so many times before. It's cool to watch, but it's not something that has longevity.
Fallacy. You do not have a sufficient sample size of Bogus's games to conclude that.
On October 18 2012 20:05 Cokefreak wrote: Once again shows how far ahead some of the KeSPA players are on the metagame.
lol, Kespa players win with cheese --> OMG, metagame change. eSF players win with cheese --> OMG Cheeser, they don't want to play long game with Kespa players...
On October 18 2012 20:03 bittman wrote: This totally feels like something that if Happy had information about Bogus' playstyle he'd have a counter. Whereas Happy has over a years worth of fairly standard macro play.
Exactly. These things are easy to use in a situation like this, so it's a great idea, but you won't get very far if you can't play any other way, as we've seen so many times before. It's cool to watch, but it's not something that has longevity.
Fallacy. You do not have a sufficient sample size of Bogus's games to conclude that.
It's got enough longevity to get him #2 KR GM with 62% win! Not that it means he'll be the next GSL champion, but it sure is a potent weapon!
On October 18 2012 20:05 Cokefreak wrote: Once again shows how far ahead some of the KeSPA players are on the metagame.
lol, Kespa players win with cheese --> OMG, metagame change. eSF players win with cheese --> OMG Cheeser, they don't want to play long game with Kespa players...
Everyone who answers with "cheese" is just bitter, no matter what side you´re rooting for. A win is a win and cheese is part of the game.
On October 18 2012 20:03 bittman wrote: This totally feels like something that if Happy had information about Bogus' playstyle he'd have a counter. Whereas Happy has over a years worth of fairly standard macro play.
Exactly. These things are easy to use in a situation like this, so it's a great idea, but you won't get very far if you can't play any other way, as we've seen so many times before. It's cool to watch, but it's not something that has longevity.
Fallacy. You do not have a sufficient sample size of Bogus's games to conclude that.
Your mom's a fallacy. :p Reading comprehension please. I didn't say Bogus could not play any other way. I said tactics like these work in a situation like this, but for his longevity in Code S, he will have to rely on other skills. I didn't say he lacked those skills.
On October 18 2012 20:05 Cokefreak wrote: Once again shows how far ahead some of the KeSPA players are on the metagame.
lol, Kespa players win with cheese --> OMG, metagame change. eSF players win with cheese --> OMG Cheeser, they don't want to play long game with Kespa players...
Everyone who answers with "cheese" is just bitter, no matter what side you´re rooting for. A win is a win and cheese is part of the game.
On October 18 2012 20:05 Cokefreak wrote: Once again shows how far ahead some of the KeSPA players are on the metagame.
Its great cheese, but I dunno if this demonstrates some kind of advanced metagame.
This guy has beat Flash a few times in BW in long games. I'd say his RTS metagame is pretty good.
Or he could have studied Happy and noticed how happy is a very standard macro player who is very predictable and doesnt scout much. The explanation doesnt have to be harder than that.
On October 18 2012 20:03 bittman wrote: This totally feels like something that if Happy had information about Bogus' playstyle he'd have a counter. Whereas Happy has over a years worth of fairly standard macro play.
Exactly. These things are easy to use in a situation like this, so it's a great idea, but you won't get very far if you can't play any other way, as we've seen so many times before. It's cool to watch, but it's not something that has longevity.
Fallacy. You do not have a sufficient sample size of Bogus's games to conclude that.
Your mom's a fallacy. :p Reading comprehension please. I didn't say Bogus could not play any other way. I said tactics like these work in a situation like this, but for his longevity in Code S, he will have to rely on other skills. I didn't say he lacked those skills.
In general Kespa players cheese as a way to "mix things up" rather than as a long term strategy. If anything, Kespa players are a little too conservative in their play during BW era even when playing superior opponents. And Bogus is certainly in the camp of being a macro player throughout his BW days. If anything, Happy's lack of scouting suggested he guessed at Bogus being a macro player. Which quite frankly isn't a bad guess as far as odds go. But in this case it was an epic fail.
On October 18 2012 20:03 bittman wrote: This totally feels like something that if Happy had information about Bogus' playstyle he'd have a counter. Whereas Happy has over a years worth of fairly standard macro play.
Exactly. These things are easy to use in a situation like this, so it's a great idea, but you won't get very far if you can't play any other way, as we've seen so many times before. It's cool to watch, but it's not something that has longevity.
Fallacy. You do not have a sufficient sample size of Bogus's games to conclude that.
Your mom's a fallacy. :p Reading comprehension please. I didn't say Bogus could not play any other way. I said tactics like these work in a situation like this, but for his longevity in Code S, he will have to rely on other skills. I didn't say he lacked those skills.
In general Kespa players cheese as a way to "mix things up" rather than as a long term strategy. If anything, Kespa players are a little too conservative in their play during BW era even when playing superior opponents. And Bogus is certainly in the camp of being a macro player throughout his BW days. If anything, Happy's lack of scouting suggested he guessed at Bogus being a macro player. Which quite frankly isn't a bad guess as far as odds go. But in this case it was an epic fail.
Don't most players do this? Almost by definition, cheese fails when your opponent expects it. So not sure how cheese can be a long term strategy. Sure, some players do cheese more than others, but you can't just rely on it.
I have to say I agree completely with Khaldor. The results are skewed, and it's too early to have a conclusion on Intrigue's argument. I think in the end, things will be fairly even between the two groups of players, while I think BW results/skill won't neccesarily translate to SC2 skills.
On October 18 2012 20:18 StickyIcky wrote: When do the up and down matches take place?
Next week.
I wonder if they will release them tonight or tomorrow or wait till the Finals are over.
Groups are usually released after the end of this season since they are part of the next if i recall correctly, so probably not until after the finals
True. But because the next season starts much sooner compare to past seaons (due to IPL5), I wonder if they will release the groups earlier so players have time to prepare. Would be weird to announce only Saturday/Sunday and then have groups start on Monday/Tuesday.
Code A Ro24 Day 3 Trap vs GuMiho Game 1 Map: Whirlwind
0:00 Trap spawns in the bottom left GuMiho spawns in the top right
2:00 CC first for Gumiho Nexus first for Trap rax for Gumiho Gate for Trap
3:00 gas for Gumiho gas for Trap Cybernetics core for Trap Zealot for Trap 2nd gas for Trap
4:00 bunker started at the top of the natural ramp for Gumiho Factory started for Gumiho
5:00 reactor on the way for Gumiho stalker out for Trap Starport started for Gumiho Robo on the way for Trap Reactored hellion production begins for Gumiho tech lab started on the rax next to the starport for Guiho
6:00 2 more gates added on for Trap observer first from the robo for Trap 2nd observer coming out for trap forge started for Trap banshee production started for Gumiho Cloak started for Gumiho
7:00 Trap adding on more gas 2 hellions get into the main of Trap Robotics bay for Trap 2 more hellions come into the natural 11 probes are killed by the 4 hellions
8:00 3rd CC started for Gumiho 3 more rax added on for Gumiho first banshee from Gumiho enters the main of trap Raven on the way for Gumiho 3 stalkers and an observer deflect the banshee after 4 kills
9:00 stim research started for Gumiho 2 more gas added on for Gumiho 8 hellions and a banshee enter the natural of trap and kill off the zealots before backing off
10:00 double ebay finishes up for Gumiho and he begins 1-1 +1 armor started for Trap Colossus production begins for Trap Gumiho adding on 3 more rax Trap adding on 2 more gates Extended thermal lance research started for Trap
On October 18 2012 20:18 StickyIcky wrote: When do the up and down matches take place?
Next week.
I wonder if they will release them tonight or tomorrow or wait till the Finals are over.
Groups are usually released after the end of this season since they are part of the next if i recall correctly, so probably not until after the finals
True. But because the next season starts much sooner compare to past seaons (due to IPL5), I wonder if they will release the groups earlier so players have time to prepare. Would be weird to announce only Saturday/Sunday and then have groups start on Monday/Tuesday.
this build is really good on big maps. so difficult to counter againts this. and on big maps, but stargate play shuts this down really hard. but who goes for stargate play lol
On October 18 2012 20:27 Breach_hu wrote: this build is really good on big maps. so difficult to counter againts this. and on big maps, but stargate play shuts this down really hard. but who goes for stargate play lol
Mini, actually. He went for a phoenix build twice against Flash.
Code A Ro24 Day 3 Trap vs GuMiho Game 1 Map: Whirlwind
0:00 Trap spawns in the bottom left GuMiho spawns in the top right
2:00 CC first for Gumiho Nexus first for Trap rax for Gumiho Gate for Trap
3:00 gas for Gumiho gas for Trap Cybernetics core for Trap Zealot for Trap 2nd gas for Trap
4:00 bunker started at the top of the natural ramp for Gumiho Factory started for Gumiho
5:00 reactor on the way for Gumiho stalker out for Trap Starport started for Gumiho Robo on the way for Trap Reactored hellion production begins for Gumiho tech lab started on the rax next to the starport for Guiho
6:00 2 more gates added on for Trap observer first from the robo for Trap 2nd observer coming out for trap forge started for Trap banshee production started for Gumiho Cloak started for Gumiho
7:00 Trap adding on more gas 2 hellions get into the main of Trap Robotics bay for Trap 2 more hellions come into the natural 11 probes are killed by the 4 hellions
8:00 3rd CC started for Gumiho 3 more rax added on for Gumiho first banshee from Gumiho enters the main of trap Raven on the way for Gumiho 3 stalkers and an observer deflect the banshee after 4 kills
9:00 stim research started for Gumiho 2 more gas added on for Gumiho 8 hellions and a banshee enter the natural of trap and kill off the zealots before backing off
10:00 double ebay finishes up for Gumiho and he begins 1-1 +1 armor started for Trap Colossus production begins for Trap Gumiho adding on 3 more rax Trap adding on 2 more gates Extended thermal lance research started for Trap
11:00 combat shields started for gumiho +1 attack started for Trap twilight council started for Trap 3rd nexus started for Trap
12:00 blink started for Trap 2-2 started for Gumiho Gumiho double dropping the main of Trap 2 cloaked banshees coming into the natural of Trap
13:00 pdd protects the double drop as it comes in robotics bay killed by the drop Gumiho is 50 supply ahead templar archives started for Trap
14:00 4th base started for Gumiho banshees come back into the natural Trap pushing across the map with his army double drop in the main again drop in the main doing tons of damage probes pulled in the main to defend
15:00 gumiho kills both colossi in the middle of the map +1 air weapons started for Gumiho Charge started for trap drop in the 3rd Trap is being picked apart Trap ggs! Gumiho wins game 1!
Is that build safe at all vs gateway attacks? seems like all you have going for you is the initial marines and... hellions. If your opponent just walls his main and attacks don't you die horribly?
Pretty nice game there from Gumiho. A few mix-ups with his multi-task (because he was fighting on three fronts at once) but I really like how persistent he was pushing from all sides.
Those banshees ripped apart Trap's only chance to stabilize on 3 base. The drop and the initial attack was held, but there wasnt any answer to the banshees, as they ranked up 20+ kills. Sick play.
On October 18 2012 20:32 Doko wrote: Is that build safe at all vs gateway attacks? seems like all you have going for you is the initial marines and... hellions. If your opponent just walls his main and attacks don't you die horribly?
On October 18 2012 20:32 Probasaur wrote: Best display of skill and dominance we've seen all night.
Gumiho cementing his legacy as the most interesting Terran to watch.
Have you seen Maru play ?
Yes, and Maruuuuuu~!!! love my Prime Terrans. But Gumiho somehow has this permanent underdog status around him. Maybe from last year when he would hover around GSL early rounds. But now he seems to always pleasantly surprise moi.
On October 18 2012 20:32 Doko wrote: Is that build safe at all vs gateway attacks? seems like all you have going for you is the initial marines and... hellions. If your opponent just walls his main and attacks don't you die horribly?
On big maps, you can scout the move out, kill the probes, see the pylons. And if the toss moves out, you can runby, and if he leaves some unit at home, the push will be even more weak.
Code A Ro24 Day 3 Trap vs GuMiho Game 2 Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Trap spawns to the left GuMiho spawns to the right
1:45 rax first for Gumiho gateway first for Trap gas for Gumiho gas for Trap
2:00 quick wall off from gumiho blocks the probe gumiho got gas at the close refinery so the probe saw it anyways
3:00 cybernetics core for Trap factory for Gumiho 2nd gas for Gumiho stalker started for Trap
4:00 Rax floated back and supply depot built to keep the main ramp wall off sentry for Trap reactor started for Gumiho Gumiho's supply depot is down and the probe scout sees everything starport building for gumiho tech lab started on the factory probe is finally killed
5:00 Nexus started for Trap robo started for Trap Starport moved to the tech lab tech lab started on the factory Banshee production begins for Gumiho 2 more gates added on for Trap
6:00 siege tank production begins for Gumiho CC started for Gumiho at the natural observer first from the robo for Trap 2nd banshee on the way for Gumiho 2nd observer on the way for Trap 2nd siege tank started for Gumiho
On October 18 2012 20:32 Doko wrote: Is that build safe at all vs gateway attacks? seems like all you have going for you is the initial marines and... hellions. If your opponent just walls his main and attacks don't you die horribly?
On big maps, you can scout the move out, kill the probes, see the pylons. And if the toss moves out, you can runby, and if he leaves some unit at home, the push will be even more weak.
It's said "If your opponent just walls" so no there should be no runby though.
On October 18 2012 20:32 Probasaur wrote: Best display of skill and dominance we've seen all night.
Gumiho cementing his legacy as the most interesting Terran to watch.
Have you seen Maru play ?
Maru has the best micro (sorry MarineKing!) but his strats aren't all that interesting really.
Not really that interseting ? Going 30ghost or 5starport in tvp. Or going sky terran in tvt(not transitioning) is pretty damn interesting if you ask me :p
On October 18 2012 20:32 Doko wrote: Is that build safe at all vs gateway attacks? seems like all you have going for you is the initial marines and... hellions. If your opponent just walls his main and attacks don't you die horribly?
On big maps, you can scout the move out, kill the probes, see the pylons. And if the toss moves out, you can runby, and if he leaves some unit at home, the push will be even more weak.
It's said "If your opponent just walls" so no there should be no runby though.
You can wall of main, but you cant wall of natural. So you can go 1base vs 1base, but with a slightly different 1-1-1 (which can be easily switched to a defensive mode *aka. marines and tanks* if T scout aggression, which you can if you have hellions moving around the map) Terran is way ahead IMO.
On October 18 2012 20:32 Probasaur wrote: Best display of skill and dominance we've seen all night.
Gumiho cementing his legacy as the most interesting Terran to watch.
Have you seen Maru play ?
Maru has the best micro (sorry MarineKing!) but his strats aren't all that interesting really.
Not really that interseting ? Going 30ghost or 5starport in tvp. Or going sky terran in tvt(not transitioning) is pretty damn interesting if you ask me :p
Yeah exactly, out of all the prime terrans i'd say maru is the most wacky as far as strats go. Byun just has godlike control and engagements and seems to really like siege tanks and marineking is...marineking :p
Code A Ro24 Day 3 Trap vs GuMiho Game 2 Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Trap spawns to the left GuMiho spawns to the right
1:45 rax first for Gumiho gateway first for Trap gas for Gumiho gas for Trap
2:00 quick wall off from gumiho blocks the probe gumiho got gas at the close refinery so the probe saw it anyways
3:00 cybernetics core for Trap factory for Gumiho 2nd gas for Gumiho stalker started for Trap
4:00 Rax floated back and supply depot built to keep the main ramp wall off sentry for Trap reactor started for Gumiho Gumiho's supply depot is down and the probe scout sees everything starport building for gumiho tech lab started on the factory probe is finally killed
5:00 Nexus started for Trap robo started for Trap Starport moved to the tech lab tech lab started on the factory Banshee production begins for Gumiho 2 more gates added on for Trap
6:00 siege tank production begins for Gumiho CC started for Gumiho at the natural observer first from the robo for Trap 2nd banshee on the way for Gumiho 2nd observer on the way for Trap 2nd siege tank started for Gumiho
7:00 first banshee arrives at the main and is deflected by stalkers after 1 kill immortal production begins for Trap medivac on the way for Gumiho 4th gateway for Trap
8:00 gumiho pushing out to the watchtower with his first 2 tanks 2nd immortal being chronoboosted out for Trap Gumiho adding on 2 more rax double tank drop loaded up for Gumiho
9:00 2 banshees enter the main of trap and fight the stalkers a bit before backing off robotics bay started for Trap double tank drop in the main 2 banshees aiding the tank drop Trap counterattacking
10:00 Gumiho retreating to his natural siege mode research begins combat shields started Gumiho saves both his tanks with the medivac from Trap's main Colossus production begins for Trap
11:00 Extended thermal lance research started for Trap ebay for gumiho forge for Trap +1 attack started for gumiho observer of trap killed
12:00 7th siege tank on the way for Gumiho stim research started for Gumiho +1 armor started for Trap Gumiho pushing into the area between the natural and future third of Trap
13:00 Trap attacks the siege tank army of Gumiho Gumiho loses most of his tanks and has to retreat Trap is counterattacking Colossus range finishes Twilight council started for Trap
14:00 siege tanks lead to Trap backing off Gumiho adding on 2 more rax concussive shells research started +1 attack started for Trap templar archives started for trap +1 armor started for Gumiho reaper on the way for Gumiho Charge started for Trap
On October 18 2012 20:32 Probasaur wrote: Best display of skill and dominance we've seen all night.
Gumiho cementing his legacy as the most interesting Terran to watch.
Have you seen Maru play ?
Maru has the best micro (sorry MarineKing!) but his strats aren't all that interesting really.
Not really that interseting ? Going 30ghost or 5starport in tvp. Or going sky terran in tvt(not transitioning) is pretty damn interesting if you ask me :p
I missed the straight-to-sky-Terran TvT. That's neat, but GuMiHo has been doing it for a while.
But yeah, I'm not giving him enough credit. His late game play is definitely cool. But GuMiHo plays differently throughout the whole game every game.
On October 18 2012 20:40 StickyIcky wrote: Tanks aren't good against protoss, who knew.
Tanks are good in some situation, but if you let toss can prepare for it, get a good composition, get flank on them, they are bad yes. Have you tried break a contain on Daybreak with tanks sieged behind the minerals of the forward 4th base? They are super strong.
On October 18 2012 20:42 whirlpool wrote: omg talkin bout MVP, its thursday already, 2 more days ... go MVP 5th GSL !
So hyped D: i have a feeling it's going to be one of the best finals sc2 has ever seen, or it's going to be an absolute roflstomp with life 6 pooling half of his games and just losing :p
On October 18 2012 20:32 Probasaur wrote: Best display of skill and dominance we've seen all night.
Gumiho cementing his legacy as the most interesting Terran to watch.
Have you seen Maru play ?
Maru has the best micro (sorry MarineKing!) but his strats aren't all that interesting really.
Not really that interseting ? Going 30ghost or 5starport in tvp. Or going sky terran in tvt(not transitioning) is pretty damn interesting if you ask me :p
I missed the straight-to-sky-Terran TvT. That's neat, but GuMiHo has been doing it for a while.
But yeah, I'm not giving him enough credit. His late game play is definitely cool. But GuMiHo plays differently throughout the whole game every game.
maru did the bc rush vs alive in season 3 up/downs on entombed
he had an insane base trade vs an IM toss in the ksl on CK too, maru is cool =)
On October 18 2012 20:45 KristofferAG wrote: Got in waaay late here. The Bogus games any good?
1st game - SCV train after CC first 3rax. 2nd game - SCV train attack after a perfect hold on elevator into Cbanshee from Happy but the SCV attack failed. 3rd game - proxy reaper into proxy 1-1-1 killed happy straight up.
Code A Ro24 Day 3 Trap vs GuMiho Game 2 Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Trap spawns to the left GuMiho spawns to the right
1:45 rax first for Gumiho gateway first for Trap gas for Gumiho gas for Trap
2:00 quick wall off from gumiho blocks the probe gumiho got gas at the close refinery so the probe saw it anyways
3:00 cybernetics core for Trap factory for Gumiho 2nd gas for Gumiho stalker started for Trap
4:00 Rax floated back and supply depot built to keep the main ramp wall off sentry for Trap reactor started for Gumiho Gumiho's supply depot is down and the probe scout sees everything starport building for gumiho tech lab started on the factory probe is finally killed
5:00 Nexus started for Trap robo started for Trap Starport moved to the tech lab tech lab started on the factory Banshee production begins for Gumiho 2 more gates added on for Trap
6:00 siege tank production begins for Gumiho CC started for Gumiho at the natural observer first from the robo for Trap 2nd banshee on the way for Gumiho 2nd observer on the way for Trap 2nd siege tank started for Gumiho
7:00 first banshee arrives at the main and is deflected by stalkers after 1 kill immortal production begins for Trap medivac on the way for Gumiho 4th gateway for Trap
8:00 gumiho pushing out to the watchtower with his first 2 tanks 2nd immortal being chronoboosted out for Trap Gumiho adding on 2 more rax double tank drop loaded up for Gumiho
9:00 2 banshees enter the main of trap and fight the stalkers a bit before backing off robotics bay started for Trap double tank drop in the main 2 banshees aiding the tank drop Trap counterattacking
10:00 Gumiho retreating to his natural siege mode research begins combat shields started Gumiho saves both his tanks with the medivac from Trap's main Colossus production begins for Trap
11:00 Extended thermal lance research started for Trap ebay for gumiho forge for Trap +1 attack started for gumiho observer of trap killed
12:00 7th siege tank on the way for Gumiho stim research started for Gumiho +1 armor started for Trap Gumiho pushing into the area between the natural and future third of Trap
13:00 Trap attacks the siege tank army of Gumiho Gumiho loses most of his tanks and has to retreat Trap is counterattacking Colossus range finishes Twilight council started for Trap
14:00 siege tanks lead to Trap backing off Gumiho adding on 2 more rax concussive shells research started +1 attack started for Trap templar archives started for trap +1 armor started for Gumiho reaper on the way for Gumiho Charge started for Trap
15:00 2 more gates added on for Trap Gumiho massing up vikings -- up to 6 Gumiho pushing across the map again 4 colossi out for Trap observer of Trap killed
16:00 Gumiho has a lot of scvs with his army Gumiho stims and runs into the natura all the colossi are dead all the immortals are dead Trap pulls his probes in the natural the tanks of gumiho are falling reinforcements show up for Gumiho
17:00 Trap is being pushed back 2 more tanks show up and siege up the natural of Trap feedbacks on the medivacs of gumiho archon morphing Gumiho pulling more scvs the tanks of gumiho are cleaned up
18:00 immortal out for Trap another archon morphing Gumiho backing off to regroup probes pulled again for Trap Gumiho is retreating to regroup his army again
19:00 Gumiho is 10 supply ahead 2 archons and 1 immortal out for Trap gumiho drops 6 marauders in the main of trap templar archives is killed by the drop Gumiho gets out of the main losing nothing
20:00 Gumiho attacks into the natural again the natural nexus is targeted down zealot runby into the natural of gumiho reinforcement bio cleans up the zealots 3 immortals are out for Trap now
21:00 Gumiho hesitating colossus out for Trap Gumiho stims into the natural to try and get the colossus
22:00 Gumiho cant hit the colossus and lifts off his marauders to save them from zealots Trap attacks into Gumiho's army the colossus archons and immortals fall Trap ggs! GuMiho wins 2-0!
On October 18 2012 20:45 KristofferAG wrote: Got in waaay late here. The Bogus games any good?
1st game - SCV train after CC first 3rax. 2nd game - SCV train attack after a perfect hold on elevator into Cbanshee from Happy but the SCV attack failed. 3rd game - proxy reaper into proxy 1-1-1 killed happy straight up.
On October 18 2012 20:32 Probasaur wrote: Best display of skill and dominance we've seen all night.
Gumiho cementing his legacy as the most interesting Terran to watch.
Have you seen Maru play ?
Maru has the best micro (sorry MarineKing!) but his strats aren't all that interesting really.
Not really that interseting ? Going 30ghost or 5starport in tvp. Or going sky terran in tvt(not transitioning) is pretty damn interesting if you ask me :p
I missed the straight-to-sky-Terran TvT. That's neat, but GuMiHo has been doing it for a while.
But yeah, I'm not giving him enough credit. His late game play is definitely cool. But GuMiHo plays differently throughout the whole game every game.
maru did the bc rush vs alive in season 3 up/downs on entombed
he had an insane base trade vs an IM toss in the ksl on CK too, maru is cool =)
Oh god opte i almost forgot about that game D: can't recall who exactly he played but that game was absolutely insane, do you know if KSL archived some of those vods somewhere?
On October 18 2012 20:32 Probasaur wrote: Best display of skill and dominance we've seen all night.
Gumiho cementing his legacy as the most interesting Terran to watch.
Have you seen Maru play ?
Maru has the best micro (sorry MarineKing!) but his strats aren't all that interesting really.
Not really that interseting ? Going 30ghost or 5starport in tvp. Or going sky terran in tvt(not transitioning) is pretty damn interesting if you ask me :p
I missed the straight-to-sky-Terran TvT. That's neat, but GuMiHo has been doing it for a while.
But yeah, I'm not giving him enough credit. His late game play is definitely cool. But GuMiHo plays differently throughout the whole game every game.
maru did the bc rush vs alive in season 3 up/downs on entombed
he had an insane base trade vs an IM toss in the ksl on CK too, maru is cool =)
Oh god opte i almost forgot about that game D: can't recall who exactly he played but that game was absolutely insane, do you know if KSL archived some of those vods somewhere?
i'll take a look =) i think it was seed or yonghwa in ksl playoffs, but such a sick game
Gumiho showing Terrans what they've been doing wrong for so, so long. What we've been trying to tell them... use those tanks to supplement your bio just like that. That one tank made all the difference in the final fight. I think its safe to say Gumiho had it won there, however that fight would have been quite closer if the Collosus was free to abuse it's range against the bio with nothing to siege the zealots guarding the collo.
Anyway moral of the story T's.... start using your plethora of complimentary units next time you call the matchups stale look at what protoss has to use and then feel better.
On October 18 2012 20:48 dynwar7 wrote: Wow...Gumiho is actually really good...!!!!!!!
Yeah, that all-kill at the GSTL finals didn't demonstrate that or anything.
(Not to count his other accomplishments.)
There is no need to be so sarcastic, I just did not know he was good, I dont normally watch his games, so I didnt know about the all kill
What'd you do... accumulate 1k posts in the last 2 months?? Trying to figure out how you would have 1k posts without knowing what a beast with a mouse Gumiho is.
On October 18 2012 20:32 Probasaur wrote: Best display of skill and dominance we've seen all night.
Gumiho cementing his legacy as the most interesting Terran to watch.
Have you seen Maru play ?
Maru has the best micro (sorry MarineKing!) but his strats aren't all that interesting really.
Not really that interseting ? Going 30ghost or 5starport in tvp. Or going sky terran in tvt(not transitioning) is pretty damn interesting if you ask me :p
I missed the straight-to-sky-Terran TvT. That's neat, but GuMiHo has been doing it for a while.
But yeah, I'm not giving him enough credit. His late game play is definitely cool. But GuMiHo plays differently throughout the whole game every game.
maru did the bc rush vs alive in season 3 up/downs on entombed
he had an insane base trade vs an IM toss in the ksl on CK too, maru is cool =)
Oh god opte i almost forgot about that game D: can't recall who exactly he played but that game was absolutely insane, do you know if KSL archived some of those vods somewhere?
i'll take a look =) i think it was seed or yonghwa in ksl playoffs, but such a sick game
No rush, stuck in work for the next couple hours anyway. Thanks :D
On October 18 2012 20:48 dynwar7 wrote: Wow...Gumiho is actually really good...!!!!!!!
Yeah, that all-kill at the GSTL finals didn't demonstrate that or anything.
(Not to count his other accomplishments.)
There is no need to be so sarcastic, I just did not know he was good, I dont normally watch his games, so I didnt know about the all kill
What'd you do... accumulate 1k posts in the last 2 months?? Trying to figure out how you would have 1k posts without knowing what a beast with a mouse Gumiho is.
What? I accumulated 1k+ posts since I joined TL, last year in may. What makes you think I did it in 2 months?
Really, I only said that I did not know Gumiho was this good, now I know he is really good, and you guys are butthurt? Really? So you do this to everyone who thinks Gumiho is not good?
On October 18 2012 20:58 Chill Penguin wrote: People forget that Gumiho was a single map win away from a GSL final (Lost 3-2 to DRG). The guys been a beast for quite some time now.
Him switching from random to terran was the best thing to happen to korean sc2 :p
Aside from byun switching from protoss to terran, that is.
Imagine the awesome games we wouldn't have seen if that didn't happen D:
On October 18 2012 20:58 Chill Penguin wrote: People forget that Gumiho was a single map win away from a GSL final (Lost 3-2 to DRG). The guys been a beast for quite some time now.
Him switching from random to terran was the best thing to happen to korean sc2 :p
Aside from byun switching from protoss to terran, that is.
Imagine the awesome games we wouldn't have seen if that didn't happen D:
Probably better games with creative random and protoss play
Looks like next season is going to be a terran heavy one, can't see how it won't at this point. Good god that is one scary looking UnD pool lol ._.
a lot of the terrans in the U/D are rather meh/borderline, e.g. ryung, yoda, asd, mma, keen, sparta, bomber, hack, heart and happy aren't solid code S tier.
On October 18 2012 20:48 dynwar7 wrote: Wow...Gumiho is actually really good...!!!!!!!
Yeah, that all-kill at the GSTL finals didn't demonstrate that or anything.
(Not to count his other accomplishments.)
There is no need to be so sarcastic, I just did not know he was good, I dont normally watch his games, so I didnt know about the all kill
What'd you do... accumulate 1k posts in the last 2 months?? Trying to figure out how you would have 1k posts without knowing what a beast with a mouse Gumiho is.
What? I accumulated 1k+ posts since I joined TL, last year in may. What makes you think I did it in 2 months?
Really, I only said that I did not know Gumiho was this good, now I know he is really good, and you guys are butthurt? Really? So you do this to everyone who thinks Gumiho is not good?
Its called busting your balls, kid. People do it from time to time, better you get used to it now.
On October 18 2012 20:48 dynwar7 wrote: Wow...Gumiho is actually really good...!!!!!!!
Yeah, that all-kill at the GSTL finals didn't demonstrate that or anything.
(Not to count his other accomplishments.)
There is no need to be so sarcastic, I just did not know he was good, I dont normally watch his games, so I didnt know about the all kill
What'd you do... accumulate 1k posts in the last 2 months?? Trying to figure out how you would have 1k posts without knowing what a beast with a mouse Gumiho is.
What? I accumulated 1k+ posts since I joined TL, last year in may. What makes you think I did it in 2 months?
Really, I only said that I did not know Gumiho was this good, now I know he is really good, and you guys are butthurt? Really? So you do this to everyone who thinks Gumiho is not good?
Its called busting your balls, kid. People do it from time to time, better you get used to it now.
Just admit your wrong.
I accumulated 1k+ posts in 1 year + not just 2 months. Your wrong.
And I did not know gumiho was super good until just then. Anything wrong with that? So if someone does not know gumiho is good, you automatically hate that person?
Looks like next season is going to be a terran heavy one, can't see how it won't at this point. Good god that is one scary looking UnD pool lol ._.
a lot of the terrans in the U/D are rather meh/borderline, e.g. ryung, yoda, asd, mma, keen, sparta, bomber, hack, heart and happy aren't solid code S tier.
look at the zergs... You have DRG and then... Remember, it is GSL Hyun and not IPL Hyun...
Also, there doesnt seem to be any word of foreign U/D seed yet. So the groups for now will be 3x6man and 2x5man
On October 18 2012 20:48 dynwar7 wrote: Wow...Gumiho is actually really good...!!!!!!!
Yeah, that all-kill at the GSTL finals didn't demonstrate that or anything.
(Not to count his other accomplishments.)
There is no need to be so sarcastic, I just did not know he was good, I dont normally watch his games, so I didnt know about the all kill
What'd you do... accumulate 1k posts in the last 2 months?? Trying to figure out how you would have 1k posts without knowing what a beast with a mouse Gumiho is.
What? I accumulated 1k+ posts since I joined TL, last year in may. What makes you think I did it in 2 months?
Really, I only said that I did not know Gumiho was this good, now I know he is really good, and you guys are butthurt? Really? So you do this to everyone who thinks Gumiho is not good?
Its called busting your balls, kid. People do it from time to time, better you get used to it now.
Just admit your wrong.
I accumulated 1k+ posts in 1 year + not just 2 months. Your wrong.
And I did not know gumiho was super good until just then. Anything wrong with that? So if someone does not know gumiho is good, you automatically hate that person?
How do you know if I am a kid or not?
When people are wrong they like to play it off like they're not, especially on these forums. Wouldn't worry about him.
On October 18 2012 16:32 TheBB wrote: I ran my Elo-based probability script a few times again. Based on the ratings, Sniper is an overwhelming favourite to win, and in the other matches, the ESF players are favoured by about 55-45. (Is Shy really that good?)
Most likely winner: GuMiho (54.308%) Most likely outcome: Trap 0-2 GuMiho (27.958%)
Hm. I will check this out again after the games. I wonder how accurate this could be ^.^
I tried it with the GSL semis, and it flunked both tests. XD
Though to be honest, the only thing you should read from those numbers is that Sniper will likely win, and the other matches are essentially open (which doesn't mean that they will be close).
and how exactly do you think your elo thing flunked the gsl tests?
Next season looks very promising. Looking forward to seeing big new rising Terran superstar Maru in action, as well as see how Roro fares up and how the new KeSPA guys handle it. I wonder who the 2 seeds will go to aswell...Im thinking 1 KeSPA player and 1 foreigner. And perhaps 2 up and down seeds to foreigners.
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