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Ok, that music is more epic :O
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On October 03 2012 20:16 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:14 blacksheepwall wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 speknek wrote:On October 03 2012 20:10 GumBa wrote: That allin from symbol is so strong I face it alot on the ladder Yeah that allin is ridiculous :D I even scout it usually but it just doesn't matter, no idea how to stop it. Don't go 3 OC double E-Bay by six minutes with no units. "i can't beat zerg economic openings" "you just need to go fast 3 OC man, then you'll be on even footing" this is why they shouldnt have taken away terran harassment options in early game >< has made the matchup have alot less depth I heard scouting is pretty good.
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On October 03 2012 20:17 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:16 Talack wrote:On October 03 2012 20:14 blacksheepwall wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 speknek wrote:On October 03 2012 20:10 GumBa wrote: That allin from symbol is so strong I face it alot on the ladder Yeah that allin is ridiculous :D I even scout it usually but it just doesn't matter, no idea how to stop it. Don't go 3 OC double E-Bay by six minutes with no units. "i can't beat zerg economic openings" "you just need to go fast 3 OC man, then you'll be on even footing" this is why they shouldnt have taken away terran harassment options in early game >< has made the matchup have alot less depth I heard scouting is pretty good.
dem queens...
"use scans" and you're even farther behind economically : /
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On October 03 2012 20:16 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:13 opterown wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 Asha` wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 opterown wrote:On October 03 2012 20:11 Tsubbi wrote:On October 03 2012 20:09 opterown wrote: symbol repping that daybreak ZvT winrate daybreak is almost perfect 50% in korea TvZ record: 438-606 (42%) That's including foreigner chobos still relevant to balance though ;p On October 03 2012 20:13 Tsubbi wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 opterown wrote:On October 03 2012 20:11 Tsubbi wrote:On October 03 2012 20:09 opterown wrote: symbol repping that daybreak ZvT winrate daybreak is almost perfect 50% in korea TvZ record: 438-606 (42%) you looking at international? http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/479_Crux_Daybreak http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/479_Crux_Daybreak/games/TvZi know there are international games out there, but there are also plenty of korean games that are on international too Since Korean play is at a higher level than foreigner play, I'd trust the Korean stats more. It's true that Koreans play lots of international games, but why not go with the pure stuff? the pure stuff is missing a lot of the games though, like 60% of them or something
regardless of that, symbol holds a 22-4 ZvT ratio on daybreak, lol
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On October 03 2012 20:16 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:14 blacksheepwall wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 speknek wrote:On October 03 2012 20:10 GumBa wrote: That allin from symbol is so strong I face it alot on the ladder Yeah that allin is ridiculous :D I even scout it usually but it just doesn't matter, no idea how to stop it. Don't go 3 OC double E-Bay by six minutes with no units. What about a third CC at natural but making it into PF? Still get same amount of SCVs :3
No.
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music: Black Light Burns - Burn the World
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On October 03 2012 20:17 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:16 Talack wrote:On October 03 2012 20:14 blacksheepwall wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 speknek wrote:On October 03 2012 20:10 GumBa wrote: That allin from symbol is so strong I face it alot on the ladder Yeah that allin is ridiculous :D I even scout it usually but it just doesn't matter, no idea how to stop it. Don't go 3 OC double E-Bay by six minutes with no units. "i can't beat zerg economic openings" "you just need to go fast 3 OC man, then you'll be on even footing" this is why they shouldnt have taken away terran harassment options in early game >< has made the matchup have alot less depth I heard scouting is pretty good. It doesn't really work like that.
"Oh zerg just made 20 roaches at once, better start up my barracks now"
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On October 03 2012 20:17 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:16 Talack wrote:On October 03 2012 20:14 blacksheepwall wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 speknek wrote:On October 03 2012 20:10 GumBa wrote: That allin from symbol is so strong I face it alot on the ladder Yeah that allin is ridiculous :D I even scout it usually but it just doesn't matter, no idea how to stop it. Don't go 3 OC double E-Bay by six minutes with no units. "i can't beat zerg economic openings" "you just need to go fast 3 OC man, then you'll be on even footing" this is why they shouldnt have taken away terran harassment options in early game >< has made the matchup have alot less depth I heard scouting is pretty good. That's the thing, he prety much scouted the same opening that was used in game 1. He got tricked.
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On October 03 2012 20:13 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:12 Asha` wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 opterown wrote:On October 03 2012 20:11 Tsubbi wrote:On October 03 2012 20:09 opterown wrote: symbol repping that daybreak ZvT winrate daybreak is almost perfect 50% in korea TvZ record: 438-606 (42%) That's including foreigner chobos still relevant to balance though ;p
Not really. Do we really care that Hazed beat Kauz or that SYZ beat Nomatch? Or when big name players like Nerchio beat Olajuwon? Seriously there are at least a couple players on every page of that list that I have never heard of.
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I find this music very annoying ):
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On October 03 2012 20:15 SnipedSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:14 NMxhendralisk wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 zefreak wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 Chocobo wrote: Well done by Symbol... roach bane is such a good early tool if you smell a greedy terran build, even if it's suicide if you use it at the wrong time.
Symbol figured out MVP's plan and executed this perfectly without giving anything away. It's a shame you can't do the same to zerg You must be kidding, zerg allins are terrible :/ Roach bane always does a lot of damage unless terran has 5+ bunkers or rushed siege tanks. Doing either of those puts you really far behind if zerg turns around and shits out 15 drones at once.
Banshees
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On October 03 2012 20:17 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:17 rothsbury wrote:On October 03 2012 20:16 Talack wrote:On October 03 2012 20:14 blacksheepwall wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 speknek wrote:On October 03 2012 20:10 GumBa wrote: That allin from symbol is so strong I face it alot on the ladder Yeah that allin is ridiculous :D I even scout it usually but it just doesn't matter, no idea how to stop it. Don't go 3 OC double E-Bay by six minutes with no units. "i can't beat zerg economic openings" "you just need to go fast 3 OC man, then you'll be on even footing" this is why they shouldnt have taken away terran harassment options in early game >< has made the matchup have alot less depth I heard scouting is pretty good. dem queens... "use scans" and you're even farther behind economically : /
A scan isn't a good way to tell if he's doing the timing. You can scan either a roach warren or a baneling nest. So? For the price the mule gives you, you can just make a few more bunkers instead or just play a less risky build.
Scouting it with units is also tough since queens can kill hellions. Particularly when you've done a build this greedy and you probably don't have hellions out as fast.
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On October 03 2012 20:17 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:17 rothsbury wrote:On October 03 2012 20:16 Talack wrote:On October 03 2012 20:14 blacksheepwall wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 speknek wrote:On October 03 2012 20:10 GumBa wrote: That allin from symbol is so strong I face it alot on the ladder Yeah that allin is ridiculous :D I even scout it usually but it just doesn't matter, no idea how to stop it. Don't go 3 OC double E-Bay by six minutes with no units. "i can't beat zerg economic openings" "you just need to go fast 3 OC man, then you'll be on even footing" this is why they shouldnt have taken away terran harassment options in early game >< has made the matchup have alot less depth I heard scouting is pretty good. dem queens... "use scans" and you're even farther behind economically : / Well I guess that's the match-up figured out.
Seriously though, if you go the standard hellion opening you can get good info. If they have 6 queens to deny them any access then you can probably rule out that sort of all-in. Plus if you keep them about you can stop 3rd timing, see when units come out etc.
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On October 03 2012 20:19 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:13 opterown wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 Asha` wrote:On October 03 2012 20:12 opterown wrote:On October 03 2012 20:11 Tsubbi wrote:On October 03 2012 20:09 opterown wrote: symbol repping that daybreak ZvT winrate daybreak is almost perfect 50% in korea TvZ record: 438-606 (42%) That's including foreigner chobos still relevant to balance though ;p Not really. Do we really care that Hazed beat Kauz or that SYZ beat Nomatch? Or when big name players like Nerchio beat Olajuwon? Seriously there are at least a couple players on every page of that list that I have never heard of.
The same is the case in Korea.
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On October 03 2012 20:18 Theeakoz wrote: music: Black Light Burns - Burn the World
thx man:D
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On October 03 2012 20:12 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:11 Tsubbi wrote:On October 03 2012 20:09 opterown wrote: symbol repping that daybreak ZvT winrate daybreak is almost perfect 50% in korea TvZ record: 438-606 (42%)
To bring up the old Idra-comment: There's nothing that indicates that the difference doesn't lie in player skills... rather than balance...
Overall I think the balance is pretty good Just a few maps and tactics are slightly race-favored... But then you just have to prepare for it. 3 super fast OCs isn't exactly playing it safe
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