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No balance whine
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
September 27 2012 12:27 GMT
#1621
Messed that interview up a little, sorry :OOO
Couldn't memorize his schedule and should've picked other questions maybe

Too much hot6!
@riotsnowbird
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
September 27 2012 12:27 GMT
#1622
On September 27 2012 21:26 morlakaix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 21:21 Zerothegreat wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:17 morlakaix wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:16 Zerothegreat wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:13 Treisk wrote:
As a Zerg, I apologize for that. Lategame ZvP is disgustingly bad.


You do know Protoss has been mostly winning with a single vortex the same way a single neural turns the tide. Why apologize?



that's the point

im a protoss player, but why should the whole matchup be decided on one spell?

it is bad game design on both sides


You complain about something that has been there since the beginning. Why continue to watch if it bothers you so much? A few years of this by now you should know what to expect.


obviously the whole game isn't designed poorly, PvZ from early-> midgame when zerg is establishing a 4th and teching to greater spire is when the game is balanced. In the late game, protoss has literally ONE counter to broodlord infestor, and ironically, if you are caught out of position ONCE, zerg can use the one counter you have(vortex) against you


and it is the same from the other side


while establishing a 4th and 5th with zerg, you have to mass spine to tech up to broodlord infestor because Ultras are pretty shitty in ZvP, giving you really ONE option to go in the lategame(which doesn't make any sense either)

if you accidentally move all your broodlords onto a spot, even one wrong shiftque, a vortex can end the game


I enjoy playing the game because of the strategy and decision making that you have to put into it, but at a point the decisions you make and the reasons you do it become irrelevant because of game design


alright five minutes into that actual game is long enough to shut up
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
September 27 2012 12:27 GMT
#1623
On September 27 2012 21:24 TheRidd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 21:19 humblegar wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:17 TheRooster wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:16 habeck wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:14 Herry wrote:
careful guys, speaking the truth about ZvP might get you a free banhammer

sick games though fuck yeah Leenock :D

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was this banned?

That counts as balance whine


Martyring.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=1395

I dont think he was martyring. And about the balance whine, well the truth of zvp is not that it is not balanced, but that it is balanced in a silly way...


LR Threads are not intended to talk balance, and never have been. Complaining about balance in an LR thread is banworthy. Being a douche about it just increases the chances to get banned.
dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
September 27 2012 12:27 GMT
#1624
On September 27 2012 21:24 genius_man16 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 21:22 Fragile51 wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:21 genius_man16 wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:14 Nyxisto wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:13 Porcelina wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:12 Netsky wrote:
Crazy scroll wheel action


Confirmed to be illegal in GSL by Khaldor, so would be very surprised indeed if that was indeed the case.


It's also possible to shift-queue infested terrans, which is legal i guess.


Wait, why is scroll-wheel action illegal in GSL? That doesn't really make sense to me.

Edit: I swear that thread-warning gets bigger every time I go to the next page XD


Because it gives unfair advantages due to 3rd party software.


What third party software? Doesn't everyone have a scroll-wheel? Or am I missing something?

Please forgive my ignorance, lol


Most? mouse drivers don't support scroll wheel being click, so you need something to rebind it to left-click.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
September 27 2012 12:27 GMT
#1625
On September 27 2012 21:23 aznball123 wrote:
Leenock vs Taeja!? damn sick ro8s already 3 ZvT's

My god, that match is going to be incredible.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
September 27 2012 12:28 GMT
#1626
Gonna be a 1-1-1
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
September 27 2012 12:28 GMT
#1627
1/1/1 INC.
Play your best
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
September 27 2012 12:28 GMT
#1628
On September 27 2012 21:27 snowbird wrote:
Messed that interview up a little, sorry :OOO
Couldn't memorize his schedule and should've picked other questions maybe

Too much hot6!


haha remembering all those times, impossible task in front of the camera
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
morlakaix
Profile Joined February 2011
United States860 Posts
September 27 2012 12:28 GMT
#1629
On September 27 2012 21:27 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 21:26 morlakaix wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:21 Zerothegreat wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:17 morlakaix wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:16 Zerothegreat wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:13 Treisk wrote:
As a Zerg, I apologize for that. Lategame ZvP is disgustingly bad.


You do know Protoss has been mostly winning with a single vortex the same way a single neural turns the tide. Why apologize?



that's the point

im a protoss player, but why should the whole matchup be decided on one spell?

it is bad game design on both sides


You complain about something that has been there since the beginning. Why continue to watch if it bothers you so much? A few years of this by now you should know what to expect.


obviously the whole game isn't designed poorly, PvZ from early-> midgame when zerg is establishing a 4th and teching to greater spire is when the game is balanced. In the late game, protoss has literally ONE counter to broodlord infestor, and ironically, if you are caught out of position ONCE, zerg can use the one counter you have(vortex) against you


and it is the same from the other side


while establishing a 4th and 5th with zerg, you have to mass spine to tech up to broodlord infestor because Ultras are pretty shitty in ZvP, giving you really ONE option to go in the lategame(which doesn't make any sense either)

if you accidentally move all your broodlords onto a spot, even one wrong shiftque, a vortex can end the game


I enjoy playing the game because of the strategy and decision making that you have to put into it, but at a point the decisions you make and the reasons you do it become irrelevant because of game design


alright five minutes into that actual game is long enough to shut up


dude im not even "balance whining" im trying to have a legitimate discussion :/
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
September 27 2012 12:28 GMT
#1630
On September 27 2012 21:27 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 21:24 TheRidd wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:19 humblegar wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:17 TheRooster wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:16 habeck wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:14 Herry wrote:
careful guys, speaking the truth about ZvP might get you a free banhammer

sick games though fuck yeah Leenock :D

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was this banned?

That counts as balance whine


Martyring.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=1395

I dont think he was martyring. And about the balance whine, well the truth of zvp is not that it is not balanced, but that it is balanced in a silly way...


LR Threads are not intended to talk balance, and never have been. Complaining about balance in an LR thread is banworthy. Being a douche about it just increases the chances to get banned.

True that.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
September 27 2012 12:28 GMT
#1631
111 from Heart - how surprising
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 27 2012 12:28 GMT
#1632
On September 27 2012 21:23 Notfragile wrote:
I guess P players should just realise you cannot deathball to win every game. What happened to zealot warp-ins all around abusing the terrible mobility of the broodlords??

Why are P players entitled to have the best deathball? That's what I don't get at all. Harass, snipe tech buildings and win through the attrition war. Terrans do it in both vZ and vP. Why can't protoss do it, especially when the dropships can warp units at the spot..?


This wins post of the year.

User was warned for this post
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
September 27 2012 12:29 GMT
#1633
On September 27 2012 21:24 genius_man16 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 21:22 Fragile51 wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:21 genius_man16 wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:14 Nyxisto wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:13 Porcelina wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:12 Netsky wrote:
Crazy scroll wheel action


Confirmed to be illegal in GSL by Khaldor, so would be very surprised indeed if that was indeed the case.


It's also possible to shift-queue infested terrans, which is legal i guess.


Wait, why is scroll-wheel action illegal in GSL? That doesn't really make sense to me.

Edit: I swear that thread-warning gets bigger every time I go to the next page XD


Because it gives unfair advantages due to 3rd party software.


What third party software? Doesn't everyone have a scroll-wheel? Or am I missing something?

Please forgive my ignorance, lol


Basically zergs re-bind the scroll wheel to act as click. Then with the scroll wheel they can paint ITs across the map pretty much instantly. There's a noticeable difference in execution time between this method and conventional IT spam.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
September 27 2012 12:29 GMT
#1634
On September 27 2012 21:24 Yello wrote:
(P)HerO vs (T)Heart

Game 1: Ohana
Hero spawns as the orange Protoss in the top left position.
Heart spawns as the blue Terran in the bottom right position.


2:00min
Hero goes for scout after Gateway while Heart builds his Rax and Refinery and complete his wall at the main with another Supply Depot and denies Hero's scout

4:00min
Hero sneaks his scout around Heart's scouting SCV but gets killed by 2 Marines, seeing only that Heart hasn't got anything at his natural.
Heart goes for a 2nd Gas, Factory, Starport and a Reactor at the Rax

6:00min
Hero builds his expansion Nexus and a 2nd Gas. Heart builds a Bunker at his natural.
Hero walks towards Heart's natural and suicides a Zealot to see that there is still no expansion by Heart.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 12:32:54
September 27 2012 12:29 GMT
#1635
On September 27 2012 21:23 Notfragile wrote:
I guess P players should just realise you cannot deathball to win every game. What happened to zealot warp-ins all around abusing the terrible mobility of the broodlords??

Why are P players entitled to have the best deathball? That's what I don't get at all. Harass, snipe tech buildings and win through the attrition war. Terrans do it in both vZ and vP. Why can't protoss do it, especially when the dropships can warp units at the spot..?


You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Most players abuse the Zerg "deathball" lack of mobility with harassment. Hero is normally good about doing this. I find for some reason or another, the Protoss players just went for head to head battles with deathball vs deathball and lost to the better deathball user. Nothing wrong with that.

People complaining about a single neural or a single vortex making the match up boring when they should really be complaining about a single deathball vs deathball engagement deciding the fate of the game. I like the idea of breaking up the deathball as suggested by many other posts. Time will tell if Blizzard will go that route... We can hope :D

User was warned for this post

Edit: I was warned? I didn't notice this post was balance whine... I'm fine with the balance I was suggesting a change up in the gameplay? >.>
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
September 27 2012 12:29 GMT
#1636
Its ok Artosis. Polt is an exception in many, many cases. Also nice banshee snipe
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
September 27 2012 12:30 GMT
#1637
Heart just does not want any fans, he just doesn't give a shit. 1/1/1 all the way heart.
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
September 27 2012 12:30 GMT
#1638
hey I saw this game against huk at mlg columbus already.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
September 27 2012 12:31 GMT
#1639
Heart winning witha 1/1/1 on Ohana


...I feel like I've been here before
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 12:35:22
September 27 2012 12:31 GMT
#1640
hero is dead
ok, maybe not
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