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On September 27 2012 21:22 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 21:21 genius_man16 wrote:On September 27 2012 21:14 Nyxisto wrote:On September 27 2012 21:13 Porcelina wrote:On September 27 2012 21:12 Netsky wrote: Crazy scroll wheel action Confirmed to be illegal in GSL by Khaldor, so would be very surprised indeed if that was indeed the case. It's also possible to shift-queue infested terrans, which is legal i guess. Wait, why is scroll-wheel action illegal in GSL? That doesn't really make sense to me. Edit: I swear that thread-warning gets bigger every time I go to the next page XD Because it gives unfair advantages due to 3rd party software.
What third party software? Doesn't everyone have a scroll-wheel? Or am I missing something?
Please forgive my ignorance, lol
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Hero better get ready to hold some all ins.
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United Kingdom2950 Posts
Does anyone know what the song is for the GSL Ohana intro?
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It's funny that GSL racial always the opposite of current trend. Was massive TvT when T got owned left and right couple months ago, and now P winning elsewhere and we get 3 TvZ
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HerO vs Heart
Game 1: Ohana Hero spawns as the orange Protoss in the top left position. Heart spawns as the blue Terran in the bottom right position.
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Austria24417 Posts
I hope HerO isn't on full tilt right now... I think that he'd actually come out super confident if he could just beat Squirtle.
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On September 27 2012 21:17 morlakaix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 21:16 Zerothegreat wrote:On September 27 2012 21:13 Treisk wrote: As a Zerg, I apologize for that. Lategame ZvP is disgustingly bad. You do know Protoss has been mostly winning with a single vortex the same way a single neural turns the tide. Why apologize? that's the point im a protoss player, but why should the whole matchup be decided on one spell? it is bad game design on both sides
I think the frustration is tied up in that zerg can win without the vortex. If you take out the ms, protoss is always at a disadvantage. You bring in the MS and even then the match up seems to go either way.
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Not a bad outcome for Taeja as he doesn't have to play Protoss. Leenock vs Taeja will be awesome!
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On September 27 2012 21:23 Notfragile wrote: I guess P players should just realise you cannot deathball to win every game. What happened to zealot warp-ins all around abusing the terrible mobility of the broodlords??
Why are P players entitled to have the best deathball? That's what I don't get at all. Harass, snipe tech buildings and win through the attrition war. Terrans do it in both vZ and vP. Why can't protoss do it, especially when the dropships can warp units at the spot..? Squirtle sniped like 4 bases with harass that game^^, dont speak about a game u obviously didnt watch closely enough.
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Heart for 2nd place and then all Terran semi finals. Let's go!
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Whoever gets 2nd will played against By.Sun. Squirtle should get 2nd since he stands the biggest chance against him.
HerO and Heart stand no chance against Sun.
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Cmon heart, show me that 111
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On September 27 2012 21:20 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 21:16 Niflheim wrote: heh "caught up" to foreigner zergs.. his play right there impressed me way more than Vortix or any other those other zergs (with the exception of Stephano) .. his positioning was pretty much flawless and he never lost a buncha BLs to sloppiness like I usually see I mean in terms of meta. Korean zergs tended to not beeline to hive. The common thing was to stablize 4 bases first. But many zergs have shown you can do it even if you lose 1. Just make more infestor and retake that fourth.
Yes. That's why it's not that important that Leenock is constantly getting his 4ths and 5ths denied. It's shitty, but it only takes 3.5 bases to eventually max on infestor/Broodlord provided you can stay alive that long. And the one part of the game where he's NOT making "mistakes" are the engagements.
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On September 27 2012 21:25 ScoutWBF wrote: Heart for 2nd place and then all Terran semi finals. Let's go!
Squirtle probably want revenge for PartinG
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On September 27 2012 21:21 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 21:17 morlakaix wrote:On September 27 2012 21:16 Zerothegreat wrote:On September 27 2012 21:13 Treisk wrote: As a Zerg, I apologize for that. Lategame ZvP is disgustingly bad. You do know Protoss has been mostly winning with a single vortex the same way a single neural turns the tide. Why apologize? that's the point im a protoss player, but why should the whole matchup be decided on one spell? it is bad game design on both sides You complain about something that has been there since the beginning. Why continue to watch if it bothers you so much? A few years of this by now you should know what to expect.
obviously the whole game isn't designed poorly, PvZ from early-> midgame when zerg is establishing a 4th and teching to greater spire is when the game is balanced. In the late game, protoss has literally ONE counter to broodlord infestor, and ironically, if you are caught out of position ONCE, zerg can use the one counter you have(vortex) against you
and it is the same from the other side
while establishing a 4th and 5th with zerg, you have to mass spine to tech up to broodlord infestor because Ultras are pretty shitty in ZvP, giving you really ONE option to go in the lategame(which doesn't make any sense either)
if you accidentally move all your broodlords onto a spot, even one wrong shiftque, a vortex can end the game
I enjoy playing the game because of the strategy and decision making that you have to put into it, but at a point the decisions you make and the reasons you do it become irrelevant because of game design
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On September 27 2012 21:25 TheRooster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 21:23 Notfragile wrote: I guess P players should just realise you cannot deathball to win every game. What happened to zealot warp-ins all around abusing the terrible mobility of the broodlords??
Why are P players entitled to have the best deathball? That's what I don't get at all. Harass, snipe tech buildings and win through the attrition war. Terrans do it in both vZ and vP. Why can't protoss do it, especially when the dropships can warp units at the spot..? Squirtle sniped like 4 bases with harass that game^^, dont speak about a game u obviously didnt watch closely enough. Sniping bases when zerg is on 3base economy and just cancels the base doesn't really factor in as harass strong enough to do any damage...
I agree protoss should mass zealot warpin more, but it's hard on CK - such a campy map.
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This looks like 111 hellion drop.
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Late game PvZ depends too much on the Mothership and Vortex. I really don't like it and I don't think it makes for interesting games. Blizzard unfortunately sees no problem with the MU.
Leenock's game was flawless, though. Even without the Vortex, he still had a great chance to win with what he had.
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wow, only 2 protoss will pass(assuming heart loses) and they will face each other, so sad
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