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[HotS] 1000€ GIGABYTE NVIDIA Invitational #5

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[F4U]Ursadon
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany42 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 18:33:08
September 24 2012 18:24 GMT
#1
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GIGABYTE and NVIDIA eagerly announce the GIGABYTE NVIDIA Invitational #5 by myStarCraft.de with some of the finest gamers of StarCraft II from Europe and Korea. Within two days, eight top-notch professionals will compete in a Best-of-Five Single Elimination bracket for 1,000 EUR in total prize money. Cheer for your favorite player and enjoy the action packed and thrilling battles on this week's Tuesday and Wednesday!


Hearth of the Swarm edition



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Tournament website
http://gigabyte.mystarcraft.de

Livestreams
  • [image loading]
    MyStarCraft.de with Khaldor
  • [image loading]
    MyStarCraft.de with Mori
  • [image loading]
    Millenium TV


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Quick Facts
  • 1000 Euro prize money pool
    • 1st place: 500 Euro
    • 2nd place: 300 Euro
    • 3rd place: 200 Euro
  • 8 invited players
  • Single Elimination bracket
  • 2 days of competition (September 25 & 26)
  • all games Bo5 (HotS Beta Server)

Mappool
  • Akilon Wastes
  • Fractured Glacier
  • Howling Peaks
  • Korhal City
  • Star Station

Schedule
Tuesday, September 25th 2012
  • 15:00 GMT (+00:00) Ro8 #1: (P)Welmu vs. (Z)HyuN
  • 16:15 GMT (+00:00) Ro8 #3: (P)inori vs. (T)Beastyqt
  • 17:30 GMT (+00:00) Ro8 #2: (P)Tarrantius vs. (Z)MorroW
  • 18:45 GMT (+00:00) Ro8 #4: (Z)Delphi vs. (T)Kas

Wednesday, September 26th 2012
  • 15:00 GMT (+00:00) Ro4 #1: (Z)HyuN vs. (P)Tarrantius
  • 16:15 GMT (+00:00) Ro4 #2: (P)inori vs. (T)Kas
  • 17:30 GMT (+00:00) bronze final: (P)Tarrantius vs. (P)inori
  • 18:45 GMT (+00:00) grand final: (Z)HyuN vs. (T)Kas


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(Z)HyuN
(P)inori
(Z)Delphi
(Z)MorroW
(T)Beastyqt
(P)Tarrantius
(P)Welmu
(T)Kas

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+ Show Spoiler [Quarter final] +

(Z)HyuN 3:0 (P)Welmu
< Star Station >
< Korhal City >
< Fractured Glacier >

(P)inori 3:1 (T)Beastyqt
< Akilon Wastes >
< Star Station >
< Howling Peaks >
< Fractured Glacier >

(P)Tarrantius 3:0 (Z)MorroW
< Star Station >
< Akilon Wastes >
< Fractured Glacier >

(Z)Delphi 0:3 (T)Kas
< Star Station >
< Fractured Glacier >
< Korhal City >


Semi final
(Z)HyuN 3:2 (P)Tarrantius
< Akilon Wastes >
< Star Station >
< Fractured Glacier >
< Korhal Station >
< Howling Peaks >

(P)inori 1:3 (T)Kas
< Akilon Wastes >
< Fractured Glacier >
< Korhal Station >
< Star Station >

Bronze final
(P)inori 3:1 (P)Tarrantius
< Star Station >
< Akilon Wastes >
< Korhal City >
< Howling Peaks >

Final
(Z)HyuN 3:0 (T)Kas
< defwin >


Usefull Links:
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  • Replays @ sc2-replays.net
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  • myStarCraft.de
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 19:26:24
September 24 2012 19:25 GMT
#2
should be a cool tournament ^^
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 25 2012 09:54 GMT
#3
Hyun? Well there went all the excitement. :p

And Morrow will probably be terran all the way.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
September 25 2012 11:45 GMT
#4
This is quite a large prizepool for a HotS beta tournament.
I can totally understand why all the medium-sized tournament organizers are trying to innovate and use HotS before the beta is over, but imo it is still a bit early, the beta is barely a month old.

Regardless, its great to see these tournaments continue. The stability and continuity by GIGABYTE the sponsor and the organizers from mystarcraft.de is spectacular.
Liquipedia
pluu.mooh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Austria142 Posts
September 25 2012 11:57 GMT
#5
and again the community is out beforehand due to invites. even if hots is a "new" game.. I don't understand why there is no real tournament with real money..
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
September 25 2012 12:01 GMT
#6
On September 25 2012 20:57 pluu.mooh wrote:
and again the community is out beforehand due to invites. even if hots is a "new" game.. I don't understand why there is no real tournament with real money..


theres a prize pool............
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3319 Posts
September 25 2012 12:38 GMT
#7
I hope this time invited players are actually familiar with the latest HotS version.
Would be ashame to see someone trying to build warhounds.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
September 25 2012 12:50 GMT
#8
On September 25 2012 20:57 pluu.mooh wrote:
and again the community is out beforehand due to invites. even if hots is a "new" game.. I don't understand why there is no real tournament with real money..

I can't even understand the point you're trying to get across. Do you mean no "real tournament" as in no Blizzard-sponsored tournament?
#TeamBuLba
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
September 25 2012 14:08 GMT
#9
Gogo Beasty !
pluu.mooh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Austria142 Posts
September 25 2012 14:13 GMT
#10
On September 25 2012 21:50 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 20:57 pluu.mooh wrote:
and again the community is out beforehand due to invites. even if hots is a "new" game.. I don't understand why there is no real tournament with real money..

I can't even understand the point you're trying to get across. Do you mean no "real tournament" as in no Blizzard-sponsored tournament?


sry truely bad english there!! This is just something that bothers me all the time. Invites are killing this "esport". I just don't get it why people do invite only tournaments at the very beginning of a "nearly" new game. For real, who knows how good they are really? Don't you think there are already other players out there that got a good idea bout hots? That's what I intentially wanted to say. Sorry for misunderstanding.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
September 25 2012 14:23 GMT
#11
sry truely bad english there!! This is just something that bothers me all the time. Invites are killing this "esport". I just don't get it why people do invite only tournaments at the very beginning of a "nearly" new game. For real, who knows how good they are really? Don't you think there are already other players out there that got a good idea bout hots? That's what I intentially wanted to say. Sorry for misunderstanding.


Well it takes time and effort to run qualifiers esp over multiple servers. I think this is a great little tourny and I will def tune in. Whoever wondered who Tarrantius is I just looked him up. He is a german player from Alien Invasion and he took down a tourny last month beating Daisy, Bly and Strelok on his way.
renkin
Profile Joined July 2010
France249 Posts
September 25 2012 15:08 GMT
#12
On September 25 2012 23:13 pluu.mooh wrote:

sry truely bad english there!! This is just something that bothers me all the time. Invites are killing this "esport". I just don't get it why people do invite only tournaments at the very beginning of a "nearly" new game. For real, who knows how good they are really? Don't you think there are already other players out there that got a good idea bout hots? That's what I intentially wanted to say. Sorry for misunderstanding.




If a game needs balancing by high level players then the best environment to do it are tourneys, especially ones with a prize pool. It doesn't really matters if they are fun to watch because they are helping the game in the end. The more tourney we get now, the less GSL and MLG it will take for Blizzard to realize something is wrong.

There wasn't any of those mini-tourneys or invites in the WoL beta. The only "serious" tourneys we had were near the end...
I don't know whether we had more tourneys at that time WoL would have been better, but if HotS beta is as long as the WoL one with the current environement, the should be way more refined than WoL on release.
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
September 25 2012 15:24 GMT
#13
If this is online Hyun wins. No stopping that guy.
Save me from myself
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 15:36:21
September 25 2012 15:34 GMT
#14
I'm getting some heavy lag (only video, audio is fine) on Khaldor's stream other streams are fine.

Edit : Weirdly the lag is less severe on max quality but it's still pretty bad :/
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 25 2012 15:35 GMT
#15
On September 26 2012 00:08 renkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 23:13 pluu.mooh wrote:

sry truely bad english there!! This is just something that bothers me all the time. Invites are killing this "esport". I just don't get it why people do invite only tournaments at the very beginning of a "nearly" new game. For real, who knows how good they are really? Don't you think there are already other players out there that got a good idea bout hots? That's what I intentially wanted to say. Sorry for misunderstanding.




If a game needs balancing by high level players then the best environment to do it are tourneys, especially ones with a prize pool. It doesn't really matters if they are fun to watch because they are helping the game in the end. The more tourney we get now, the less GSL and MLG it will take for Blizzard to realize something is wrong.

There wasn't any of those mini-tourneys or invites in the WoL beta. The only "serious" tourneys we had were near the end...
I don't know whether we had more tourneys at that time WoL would have been better, but if HotS beta is as long as the WoL one with the current environement, the should be way more refined than WoL on release.


That's true. Although the last hots tournament I watch some of the players hadn't even installed the game, and no one really used the new units. :D

We'll get there. ^^
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
[F4U]Ursadon
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany42 Posts
September 25 2012 15:35 GMT
#16
replays are available in the first post
Freaks 4U Gaming Tournament Supervisor
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
September 25 2012 15:43 GMT
#17
Khaldor is such a beast casting this right after getting back from code A.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
September 25 2012 15:46 GMT
#18
On September 26 2012 00:43 red4ce wrote:
Khaldor is such a beast casting this right after getting back from code A.

You're not really familiar with him, are you?
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
September 25 2012 15:46 GMT
#19
Will liquipedia link be available soon?
[F4U]Ursadon
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany42 Posts
September 25 2012 15:49 GMT
#20
On September 26 2012 00:46 DGB.Zerok wrote:
Will liquipedia link be available soon?

there we go http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GIGABYTE_NVIDIA_Invitational_5
Freaks 4U Gaming Tournament Supervisor
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 15:54:04
September 25 2012 15:52 GMT
#21
Mothership core really great for defense eh

Textbook counter from zerg, what use is a Purify that lasts 18 seconds of real time and takes ~128 seconds to recharge?

14% uptime is pitiful at best and zerg just walking away, losing a roach (wow, a single roach from 120 supply) and then just walking back 15 seconds later and crushing protoss while mothership core is sat there floating shows how completely worthless it is for defense. It didnt even pay for itself, even though it was created some 3 and a half minutes to build energy before it was used for defense.

Im not questioning the legitimacy of HyuN's dominating win, but that mothership core was hillariously useless in doing exactly what it was designed for
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 25 2012 15:55 GMT
#22
I don't share Khaldors opinion on PvZ being fast and entertaining. I think it's the most stale/boring match-up in the game (the way it's often played now).
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Seanza
Profile Joined November 2011
171 Posts
September 25 2012 15:58 GMT
#23
On September 25 2012 23:13 pluu.mooh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 21:50 garlicface wrote:
On September 25 2012 20:57 pluu.mooh wrote:
and again the community is out beforehand due to invites. even if hots is a "new" game.. I don't understand why there is no real tournament with real money..

I can't even understand the point you're trying to get across. Do you mean no "real tournament" as in no Blizzard-sponsored tournament?


sry truely bad english there!! This is just something that bothers me all the time. Invites are killing this "esport". I just don't get it why people do invite only tournaments at the very beginning of a "nearly" new game. For real, who knows how good they are really? Don't you think there are already other players out there that got a good idea bout hots? That's what I intentially wanted to say. Sorry for misunderstanding.


I agree with you to a certain extent. Invite tournaments generally give the same players the limelight all the time. However, invitational tournaments are the easiest tournaments to structure, they generally provide really good entertainment, thus creating high viewing figures.

I am organising an invitational just now (see this thread), but I most certainly plan on doing open tournaments.
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
September 25 2012 16:01 GMT
#24
Ty! I just watched that page, half hour ago , and it didnt existed
[F4U]Ursadon
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany42 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 16:11:08
September 25 2012 16:10 GMT
#25
On September 26 2012 00:58 Seanza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 23:13 pluu.mooh wrote:
On September 25 2012 21:50 garlicface wrote:
On September 25 2012 20:57 pluu.mooh wrote:
and again the community is out beforehand due to invites. even if hots is a "new" game.. I don't understand why there is no real tournament with real money..

I can't even understand the point you're trying to get across. Do you mean no "real tournament" as in no Blizzard-sponsored tournament?


sry truely bad english there!! This is just something that bothers me all the time. Invites are killing this "esport". I just don't get it why people do invite only tournaments at the very beginning of a "nearly" new game. For real, who knows how good they are really? Don't you think there are already other players out there that got a good idea bout hots? That's what I intentially wanted to say. Sorry for misunderstanding.


I agree with you to a certain extent. Invite tournaments generally give the same players the limelight all the time. However, invitational tournaments are the easiest tournaments to structure, they generally provide really good entertainment, thus creating high viewing figures.

I am organising an invitational just now (see this thread), but I most certainly plan on doing open tournaments.



we are running both types of tournaments and we might thinking about switching ZOTAC Cup to Heart of the Swarm Beta but at first there have to be enough players with access to the beta. At the moment it doesn't make any sense to create a HoTs beta open tournament.
Freaks 4U Gaming Tournament Supervisor
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 16:23:59
September 25 2012 16:21 GMT
#26
beasty could just push and kill inori, he's up 50 supply


and then that happened.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 16:23:49
September 25 2012 16:22 GMT
#27
dont underestimate the power of protoss MCDayC


aaaand delivered
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 25 2012 16:25 GMT
#28
Nah, that was like the worst possible max vs max engage for Beasty, and it still came out even supply afterwards.

Tanks targetting pylons, no observers sniped, widow mines not pre burrowed, tanks all clumped together, whole army pinned against a wall

Beasty dun goofed
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
September 25 2012 16:28 GMT
#29
the widow mines were burowed. he lost his 50 supply lead to get even and its "ok"?


you cant engage protoss at all with mech right now. you always need 8 ghosts 20 battle hellions 20 vikings etc
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 25 2012 16:29 GMT
#30
like RIGHT THERE, really good positioning, spread tank line, a couple of widow mines got off on clumps, and now the supply is almost equalised.

Of course, Beasty's had his economy ravaged, so inori massively remaxed, and Terran can do nothing, but still.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
September 25 2012 16:30 GMT
#31
inori could have amoved and win easily. at this stage he needs a ton of ghost
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 25 2012 16:31 GMT
#32
On September 26 2012 01:28 Tppz! wrote:
the widow mines were burowed. he lost his 50 supply lead to get even and its "ok"?


you cant engage protoss at all with mech right now. you always need 8 ghosts 20 battle hellions 20 vikings etc

what, he wasn't 50 supply ahead at all, he was max vs max at the battle, had the worst possible engagement and came out only slightly behind.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 25 2012 16:33 GMT
#33
mech still has problems vs toss, I think widow mines cost maybe a bit too much supply, etc etc, but imo its not all the doom and gloom that some people think.

Also, I thought that game was pretty cool, from a spectator point of view, getting the tank lines set up and the widow mines placed has a lot of tension, and inori used a lot of drops to break Terran's economy.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
September 25 2012 16:34 GMT
#34
On September 26 2012 01:31 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 01:28 Tppz! wrote:
the widow mines were burowed. he lost his 50 supply lead to get even and its "ok"?


you cant engage protoss at all with mech right now. you always need 8 ghosts 20 battle hellions 20 vikings etc

what, he wasn't 50 supply ahead at all, he was max vs max at the battle, had the worst possible engagement and came out only slightly behind.


trading a lot of gas-expensive units for zealots isnt "coming out slightly behind". he had no money to build an army after you lost the first one. you will get rolled
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3319 Posts
September 25 2012 16:44 GMT
#35
Where mech fails 1-1-1 still works.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 25 2012 17:35 GMT
#36
@EmpireBeastyqt
hots mech is as awful as in wol

Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
September 25 2012 17:41 GMT
#37
So it looks like Morrow is switching back to Terran completely with HotS? Every time I see him, he's playing T.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 25 2012 17:44 GMT
#38
welp, this game should be interesting
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
AysiktiriX
Profile Joined June 2011
358 Posts
September 25 2012 17:46 GMT
#39
I don't know how this will end, but I am loving how it looks.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 25 2012 17:47 GMT
#40
On September 26 2012 01:33 MCDayC wrote:
mech still has problems vs toss, I think widow mines cost maybe a bit too much supply, etc etc, but imo its not all the doom and gloom that some people think.

Also, I thought that game was pretty cool, from a spectator point of view, getting the tank lines set up and the widow mines placed has a lot of tension, and inori used a lot of drops to break Terran's economy.


Blizzard seems to want to keep widow miens at 2 supply but get them to a point where they are worth the 2 supply.
I think it's the worse choice. I'd love low supply mine field instead of huge damage single mine. :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
September 25 2012 17:47 GMT
#41
On September 26 2012 02:35 AlternativeEgo wrote:
@EmpireBeastyqt
hots mech is as awful as in wol


Well, you know, in the end they essentially didn't change anything.
By the way, has Morrow fully switched to T?
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 25 2012 17:50 GMT
#42
Morrow have been streaming hots terran about 10h/day lately.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Kodak
Profile Joined March 2011
United States157 Posts
September 25 2012 17:50 GMT
#43
On September 26 2012 02:47 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 01:33 MCDayC wrote:
mech still has problems vs toss, I think widow mines cost maybe a bit too much supply, etc etc, but imo its not all the doom and gloom that some people think.

Also, I thought that game was pretty cool, from a spectator point of view, getting the tank lines set up and the widow mines placed has a lot of tension, and inori used a lot of drops to break Terran's economy.


Blizzard seems to want to keep widow miens at 2 supply but get them to a point where they are worth the 2 supply.
I think it's the worse choice. I'd love low supply mine field instead of huge damage single mine. :/


Wait...

Why would you want little damage when you could have terrible, terrible damage?

I don't understand. (/s)
twitch.tv/crwnkodak [ Taeja | Huk | MMA ]
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3319 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 17:51:22
September 25 2012 17:51 GMT
#44
That fight didn't look good.
It seems mech in TvP died with the warhound.
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
September 25 2012 17:53 GMT
#45
this looks like a new kind of deathball for p
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 17:54:17
September 25 2012 17:53 GMT
#46
How do you kill carrier tempest archon :o

Btw, good job blizzard at making unit that isn't part of the deathball... Oh wait.. (-_ç(-
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10077 Posts
September 25 2012 17:54 GMT
#47
wow.... no chance for morrow, hurt to see that... lot of viking being destroyed so easely
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
AysiktiriX
Profile Joined June 2011
358 Posts
September 25 2012 17:54 GMT
#48
On September 26 2012 02:53 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
this looks like a new kind of deathball for p


Maxed Carrier/Tempest 1 to 1 ratio?
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
September 25 2012 17:54 GMT
#49
i guess ghosts + vikings, as long as you can emp mommaship and archons it should be okay... at least i hope so
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 17:56:56
September 25 2012 17:55 GMT
#50
Okay, you just make more vikings and upgrade them. :>

I hope this game don't start a trend in future HOTS, because this is fucking boring
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AysiktiriX
Profile Joined June 2011
358 Posts
September 25 2012 17:58 GMT
#51
On September 26 2012 02:55 Noocta wrote:
Okay, you just make more vikings and upgrade them. :>

I hope this game don't start a trend in future HOTS, because this is fucking boring


Indeed it is, but it's fun seeing it the 1st 3-4 times.
Kodak
Profile Joined March 2011
United States157 Posts
September 25 2012 17:58 GMT
#52
Amazing job with HOTS blizz, so glad to see that last remnants of a midgame removed.
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RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
September 25 2012 17:59 GMT
#53
On September 26 2012 02:55 Noocta wrote:
Okay, you just make more vikings and upgrade them. :>

I hope this game don't start a trend in future HOTS, because this is fucking boring

true. Air p doesn't seem to complement the other protoss units but just makes up another deathball. So that's boring again...
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 18:03:00
September 25 2012 18:02 GMT
#54
Man Terran needs to have another mechanical anti-air unit for HOTS now that Protoss gets so much new Air.....

Just vikings might work, but we already see vikings almost every single game.... =/
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
September 25 2012 18:02 GMT
#55
Looks like terran needs the goliath >.<
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10077 Posts
September 25 2012 18:03 GMT
#56
hmm.. the only unit that can fight vs air Protoss is vikings... but vikings get destroyed by archons and all protoss air units... i dont like this, mech wont stand a chance until we have AA.
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 25 2012 18:04 GMT
#57
I just don't understand why they wont give mezch a ground to air unit that isn't only good versus muta.
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Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 18:09:16
September 25 2012 18:07 GMT
#58
Guys, calm down, Morrow had no idea Toss was massing air untill he was like 150 supply of Hellion/Tank.. BC/Ghost + Vikings would seal the deal, or just a good timing.. That was not a good example of mech TvP in Hots..

edit: Also, this map is retarded.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2012 18:09 GMT
#59
On September 26 2012 03:07 Everlong wrote:
Guys, calm down, Morrow had no idea Toss was massing air untill he was like 150 supply of Hellion/Tank.. BC/Ghost + Vikings would seal the deal, or just a good timing.. That was not a good example of mech TvP in Hots..


That seems like a bad time to find out that protoss has gone mass air units. I don't think you can recover from that.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9378 Posts
September 25 2012 18:10 GMT
#60
On September 26 2012 03:07 Everlong wrote:
Guys, calm down, Morrow had no idea Toss was massing air untill he was like 150 supply of Hellion/Tank.. BC/Ghost + Vikings would seal the deal, or just a good timing.. That was not a good example of mech TvP in Hots..


Morrow actually should never have less ground units than he actually did due to the ability of the toss to rebuild his army through warp gate technique.

Terran just needs a 160+ food army to win g iven the current design. If terran got a better anti AA ground unit, however, they might have a better chance.
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
September 25 2012 18:10 GMT
#61
On September 26 2012 03:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 03:07 Everlong wrote:
Guys, calm down, Morrow had no idea Toss was massing air untill he was like 150 supply of Hellion/Tank.. BC/Ghost + Vikings would seal the deal, or just a good timing.. That was not a good example of mech TvP in Hots..


That seems like a bad time to find out that protoss has gone mass air units. I don't think you can recover from that.


Sure, so guys, don't overreact with those statements..
Xetrael
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria41 Posts
September 25 2012 18:16 GMT
#62
again no sheth.... -.-
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 25 2012 18:16 GMT
#63
Morrow with the most random move out timing
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Kodak
Profile Joined March 2011
United States157 Posts
September 25 2012 18:17 GMT
#64
Everlong, I'm actually pretty sure he scanned the stargates and dropped 3-4 ports around 100 supply. So while it's true he could have figured out a better composition he wasn't exactly caught off guard.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9378 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 18:19:22
September 25 2012 18:18 GMT
#65
On September 26 2012 03:17 Kodak wrote:
Everlong, I'm actually pretty sure he scanned the stargates and dropped 3-4 ports around 100 supply. So while it's true he could have figured out a better composition he wasn't exactly caught off guard.


No he could only have got a better composition if he had maphacked through the whole game. Since you can only guess roughly how many air vs ground units the protoss has, its practially impossible to get the exact correct amount of vikings. I think morrow had a cuoplpe of hellions and around 10-12 tanks + 2 ghosts. He should never have less than that IMO.
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
September 25 2012 18:19 GMT
#66
I don't think the games are gonna end up being this ridiculously passive for long, I mean, the toss in this game had 6 zealots, a mothership, a tempest and 2 carriers at 15 minutes, there's got to be vulnerabilities in this
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
September 25 2012 18:19 GMT
#67
On September 26 2012 03:17 Kodak wrote:
Everlong, I'm actually pretty sure he scanned the stargates and dropped 3-4 ports around 100 supply. So while it's true he could have figured out a better composition he wasn't exactly caught off guard.


Well he saw Mothershit cloaking 3rd base with hellions, then he scanned and saw those stargates (obviously) and then he build starports. I'm pretty sure, this means "caught off guard".. Isn't it?

Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 18:21:19
September 25 2012 18:20 GMT
#68
On September 26 2012 03:19 MangoMountain wrote:
I don't think the games are gonna end up being this ridiculously passive for long, I mean, the toss in this game had 6 zealots, a mothership, a tempest and 2 carriers at 15 minutes, there's got to be vulnerabilities in this


mass marine/marauder/medivac/viking i think?

i think morrow wants to test how good mech really is
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9378 Posts
September 25 2012 18:22 GMT
#69
Needs more emps. Vikings get crushed.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
September 25 2012 18:22 GMT
#70
On September 26 2012 03:19 MangoMountain wrote:
I don't think the games are gonna end up being this ridiculously passive for long, I mean, the toss in this game had 6 zealots, a mothership, a tempest and 2 carriers at 15 minutes, there's got to be vulnerabilities in this

In the end, it all comes down to marines once again.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 25 2012 18:22 GMT
#71
wttff, again, why the late siege up? You have vikings and should be banking enough minerals to have infinite OC's and therefore scans. So frustrating to watch.
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CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
September 25 2012 18:22 GMT
#72
This is like 200 times better to watch then WoL right now.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10077 Posts
September 25 2012 18:22 GMT
#73
hes trying to make blizz see that mech needs something else to be efective... hope DK and the rock watch this
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 25 2012 18:26 GMT
#74
The tempest, carrier, archon composition seems really good. To do it properly you would need to delay the tech or you will just die to a early timing but it's a good late game composition.
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Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
September 25 2012 18:26 GMT
#75
Carrier Tempest for teh win!
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
ShaDyNHG
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany9 Posts
September 25 2012 18:27 GMT
#76
more emps,pdd's and bcs should work ^^
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
September 25 2012 18:27 GMT
#77
No, you cant fight Tempest/Carrier/Mothership with Hellion/Tank..
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 25 2012 18:27 GMT
#78
Seems like the tempest is more useful than it seemed a while ago.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3319 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 18:30:12
September 25 2012 18:29 GMT
#79
On September 26 2012 03:22 Topin wrote:
hes trying to make blizz see that mech needs something else to be efective... hope DK and the rock watch this


Blizzard has likely given up on mech.
It's no accident that warhound was removed the same patch that carrier got put back in.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 18:30:12
September 25 2012 18:29 GMT
#80
To be fair that was controlled quite badly by Morrow. Especially when he clumped up his vikings right in front of the archons. Basically 2 archons destroyed his whole viking fleet with 2 shots.
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CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
September 25 2012 18:33 GMT
#81
On September 26 2012 03:29 Redox wrote:
To be fair that was controlled quite badly by Morrow. Especially when he clumped up his vikings right in front of the archons. Basically 2 archons destroyed his whole viking fleet with 2 shots.


Look at it the other way too, if we are being fair. The toss was just one giant ball of units, none of them were positioned in any sort of way, they just moved in for the kill and the tempests automatically stay to the back because of their range. Is it fair that a terran gets absolutely demolished when both guys a-move their armies into each other? Im not even sure that the archons were the whole problem, the tempests picked off the vikings pretty quickly as well.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9378 Posts
September 25 2012 18:34 GMT
#82
On September 26 2012 03:29 Redox wrote:
To be fair that was controlled quite badly by Morrow. Especially when he clumped up his vikings right in front of the archons. Basically 2 archons destroyed his whole viking fleet with 2 shots.


He cantg really do anything else. He needs to focus fire or vikings will just target interceptors. And even flash wouldn't be able to split up vikings while focus firing.
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
September 25 2012 18:36 GMT
#83
On September 26 2012 03:27 ShaDyNHG wrote:
more emps,pdd's and bcs should work ^^

i would imagine bcs are complete shit against tempests because of range differences, slow speed and tempest +dmg to massive
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10077 Posts
September 25 2012 18:39 GMT
#84
On September 26 2012 03:36 Jarree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 03:27 ShaDyNHG wrote:
more emps,pdd's and bcs should work ^^

i would imagine bcs are complete shit against tempests because of range differences, slow speed and tempest +dmg to massive

this, thought the same.. vikings are the only effective AA "terran mech" have right now
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
ShaDyNHG
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany9 Posts
September 25 2012 18:41 GMT
#85
bc's have good armor and hp, u can tank tempest dmg. morrow also needs more emps.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
September 25 2012 18:42 GMT
#86
Man that series wasn't very cheerful for Terrans .

Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Solarist
Profile Joined September 2011
291 Posts
September 25 2012 18:43 GMT
#87
On September 26 2012 03:33 CaptainCrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 03:29 Redox wrote:
To be fair that was controlled quite badly by Morrow. Especially when he clumped up his vikings right in front of the archons. Basically 2 archons destroyed his whole viking fleet with 2 shots.


Look at it the other way too, if we are being fair. The toss was just one giant ball of units, none of them were positioned in any sort of way, they just moved in for the kill and the tempests automatically stay to the back because of their range. Is it fair that a terran gets absolutely demolished when both guys a-move their armies into each other? Im not even sure that the archons were the whole problem, the tempests picked off the vikings pretty quickly as well.


Well thats the way its allways been. Terran have to micro their hearts out to win engagements while the other races arent nearly as dependent on micro
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 25 2012 18:43 GMT
#88
bit of a stomp, yeah ^^
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CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
September 25 2012 18:43 GMT
#89
On September 26 2012 03:41 ShaDyNHG wrote:
bc's have good armor and hp, u can tank tempest dmg. morrow also needs more emps.


I'm taking you as a troll at this point, especially since you only have 4 posts.... If you honestly believe that BC's will beat tempests while taking bonus dmg then you probably need to go find yourself a new game to play.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3319 Posts
September 25 2012 18:44 GMT
#90
What happened in the 3rd Morrow game?
I could swear I was gone only for 5 minutes.
Ultrablue
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland31 Posts
September 25 2012 18:48 GMT
#91
Does anyone know the Warrior/soldier songs name which was before this rap one?
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
September 25 2012 18:51 GMT
#92
The Warrior Song (look it up on youtube)
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9378 Posts
September 25 2012 19:04 GMT
#93
On September 26 2012 03:43 Solarist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 03:33 CaptainCrush wrote:
On September 26 2012 03:29 Redox wrote:
To be fair that was controlled quite badly by Morrow. Especially when he clumped up his vikings right in front of the archons. Basically 2 archons destroyed his whole viking fleet with 2 shots.


Look at it the other way too, if we are being fair. The toss was just one giant ball of units, none of them were positioned in any sort of way, they just moved in for the kill and the tempests automatically stay to the back because of their range. Is it fair that a terran gets absolutely demolished when both guys a-move their armies into each other? Im not even sure that the archons were the whole problem, the tempests picked off the vikings pretty quickly as well.


Well thats the way its allways been. Terran have to micro their hearts out to win engagements while the other races arent nearly as dependent on micro


Yet terran didn't a move. Terrans still has to siege up, and shift target fire with vikings.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10077 Posts
September 25 2012 19:26 GMT
#94
hahahaha the kidnap ability looks fun xD
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Ultrablue
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland31 Posts
September 25 2012 19:42 GMT
#95
On September 26 2012 03:51 Khaldor wrote:
The Warrior Song (look it up on youtube)

Thanks a ton. Goes straight to gym playlist!
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
September 25 2012 19:51 GMT
#96
Not super enthusiastic about what I saw today overall. The new units aren't being used as much as I had hoped for. Battles still feel very much like I'm watching WoL but on new tilesets.
tarrantius
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany25 Posts
September 25 2012 21:12 GMT
#97
On September 26 2012 03:44 pmp10 wrote:
What happened in the 3rd Morrow game?
I could swear I was gone only for 5 minutes.


i played some kind of warpprism all in with 6g and a goldexpansion
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spetznova
Profile Joined September 2012
United States13 Posts
September 25 2012 21:21 GMT
#98
I somehow missed the first two games between Morrow and Tarra - is there someplace to watch them now? I could only find the replay files (which I can't play without HOTS).
exltus
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic100 Posts
September 26 2012 00:31 GMT
#99
where can i watch vods?
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
September 26 2012 15:16 GMT
#100
I like the toss stargate opening as a viewer, but I think if Hyun had just attacked it would be game over pretty fast.
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 16:29:52
September 26 2012 16:28 GMT
#101
Never heard of Tarrantius before this one but 3-0 vs MorroW and 2-3 vs HyuN is quite impressive. Will be interesting to see if he can make a name for himself when HotS takes over.

Edit: 18 kills for mothership junior? Doesn't that one cost like 50-50?? :D
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
xHQx
Profile Joined August 2012
Russian Federation601 Posts
September 26 2012 16:31 GMT
#102
collapsible rock tower debrees ;DDDDDDD
are you evolving?
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
September 26 2012 18:20 GMT
#103
Tournaments shouldn't pay prices if the players are no shows in the finals.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
September 26 2012 18:21 GMT
#104
really unprofessional, these players should simply not receive invites anymore.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
September 26 2012 18:41 GMT
#105
That is pretty disrespectful to not show up for the finals. I'm a fan of kas and its really disappointing to hear that he would do such a thing ;( There are alot of players that would kill to be invited to tournaments.
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
September 26 2012 18:58 GMT
#106
On September 27 2012 03:20 Frankon wrote:
Tournaments shouldn't pay prices if the players are no shows in the finals.

Then that's unfair to HyuN... Kas's second place money should be forfeit and spread throughout the rest of the prize spots though
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
September 26 2012 19:20 GMT
#107
should have given Tarrantius the 3rd spot and let inori play hyun.
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
September 26 2012 19:32 GMT
#108
On September 27 2012 03:41 ReachTheSky wrote:
That is pretty disrespectful to not show up for the finals. I'm a fan of kas and its really disappointing to hear that he would do such a thing ;( There are alot of players that would kill to be invited to tournaments.

That's pretty consistent for this tournament series. Two of the other four tournaments semi-finals and finals had to be postponed because one or two of the participating Koreans didn't show up.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
September 26 2012 19:39 GMT
#109
On September 27 2012 03:58 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 03:20 Frankon wrote:
Tournaments shouldn't pay prices if the players are no shows in the finals.

Then that's unfair to HyuN... Kas's second place money should be forfeit and spread throughout the rest of the prize spots though

Or third place winner should play Hyun and if he wins he gets second place
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
xcelia
Profile Joined August 2012
14 Posts
September 26 2012 19:54 GMT
#110
no vods again
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3319 Posts
September 26 2012 20:10 GMT
#111
On September 27 2012 04:54 xcelia wrote:
no vods again

Give it a few days.
I imagine they will be up by this time next week.

And while the whole forfeiting finals thing is disappointing it's fully within player rights to do so.
It's the reputation of him as a player and that of his team should suffer - especially since it's not the first HotS tournament Kas abandons due to pokerstrategy league.
Arbitrary money rearrangements because the audience was not entertained will not lead to anything good.
StavrosHL
Profile Joined December 2010
Greece128 Posts
September 26 2012 20:27 GMT
#112
it is said that empirekas has serious problems with his internet provider.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
September 26 2012 20:37 GMT
#113
On September 27 2012 05:10 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 04:54 xcelia wrote:
no vods again

Give it a few days.
I imagine they will be up by this time next week.

And while the whole forfeiting finals thing is disappointing it's fully within player rights to do so.
It's the reputation of him as a player and that of his team should suffer - especially since it's not the first HotS tournament Kas abandons due to pokerstrategy league.
Arbitrary money rearrangements because the audience was not entertained will not lead to anything good.

Well adding a line to tournament rules that forfeiting a match means forfeiting the price money would do the trick.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
September 26 2012 20:50 GMT
#114
Oh god, not more "invite only tournaments."
Sup
xHQx
Profile Joined August 2012
Russian Federation601 Posts
September 26 2012 23:54 GMT
#115
On September 27 2012 05:27 StavrosHL wrote:
it is said that empirekas has serious problems with his internet provider.

no man he played bo100000 with GLSnute in pokerstrategy league

as much as i love kas, imo he should be banned from this tourney. Things like that just should not exist
are you evolving?
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
September 27 2012 07:36 GMT
#116
On September 27 2012 05:27 StavrosHL wrote:
it is said that empirekas has serious problems with his internet provider.


No he double booked tournaments.
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