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mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
September 23 2012 09:36 GMT
#481
On September 23 2012 18:33 Sakkreth wrote:
That was actually lucky by stephano, he got completely tricked by nightend, but luckily was going for lings which was a counter for what nightend was going for...


doesn't matter what build nightend did, stephano could beat him with just lings either way, they are leagues apart
Fenris420
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden213 Posts
September 23 2012 09:36 GMT
#482
On September 23 2012 18:32 Sabu113 wrote:
I don't understand when pros engage like that. Looking at those lings and the spines. That attack was dead. We all knew it... Why not pullback and do something else? Sure your timing had to hit but it's dead before you engage and we all know it.


Imo, once you get to that position it is already too late to change the plan. Not a lot of option left to you when you are so far behind on economy and tech.
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
September 23 2012 09:36 GMT
#483
On September 23 2012 18:35 Willes wrote:
Whats this dnb-track called in the commercial?

B-Complex - Beautiful lies
mathemagician1986
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany549 Posts
September 23 2012 09:36 GMT
#484
I think a hard hitting +2 blink stalker all in, or a voidray zealot all in would have been more successful than this weird mixed all in.
Willes
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany199 Posts
September 23 2012 09:36 GMT
#485
thx
Split.
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland234 Posts
September 23 2012 09:36 GMT
#486
On September 23 2012 18:35 iglocska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:33 Sakkreth wrote:
That was actually lucky by stephano, he got completely tricked by nightend, but luckily was going for lings which was a counter for what nightend was going for...

He seems to get "lucky" a lot by having the perfect reaction to everything. Maybe he just scouted something that gave it away what Nightend was doing? Gas count maybe?

It felt like Stephano was assuming a 3rd base for Nightend behind the stargate pressure and made lings to deny that, when he scouted that there is no 3rd he ran around until he found the stalkers and it was pretty clear from there on
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
September 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#487
Nice player colors on ForGG vs ClouD game 3, haha (maybe they were the same the two previous games, wasn't watching).
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Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-23 09:39:03
September 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#488
On September 23 2012 18:31 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:30 Topdoller wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:27 Incomplet wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:23 Topdoller wrote:
13 min no rush, the current state of PvZ is shocking at the moment. Only Grubby makes protoss worth watching these days


Creator, Parting, Seed, Squirtle & Royal Roader Sun.



Nope those players are boring sorry. just because they win doest mean they are good to watch

Did you see Squirtle vs. BBoong on Ohana from WCS Korea?


Actually i didnt, I watch quite a bit SC2 when i get the time but unfortunatly watching a a Protoss turtle until they do a 2 base timing or go go for a 25 late game win with Vortex bores the shit out of me

Hero was exciting for a bit, until he realised that to win you cant be creative with Protoss.

Edit:

My comments are based on PvZ btw
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3050 Posts
September 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#489
On September 23 2012 18:35 Willes wrote:
Whats this dnb-track called in the commercial?


B-complex Beautiful Lies

Thanks to whoever told me first.
End my suffering
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12907 Posts
September 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#490
Noo.
ClouD has lost me thinks T;T
WriterMaru
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
September 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#491
On September 23 2012 18:36 MaNaVoId wrote:
Why do they broadcast Sase vs Moon instead of Taeja?


Maybe they are more evenly matched? And I believe Moon and Sase have a larger fan base than Taeja and Bly.
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-23 09:38:24
September 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#492
On September 23 2012 18:35 iglocska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:33 Sakkreth wrote:
That was actually lucky by stephano, he got completely tricked by nightend, but luckily was going for lings which was a counter for what nightend was going for...

He seems to get "lucky" a lot by having the perfect reaction to everything. Maybe he just scouted something that gave it away what Nightend was doing? Gas count maybe?


it wasn't lucky. he saw that there was no 3rd and then he build 35 zerglings.
It's not like nightend could have had colosses at that time when opening stargate.
the only thing that could have damaged stephano there would have been an archon all in.
Cj hero | Zest
Notfragile
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece713 Posts
September 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#493
On September 23 2012 18:34 zestzorb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:33 Dosey wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:30 Fionn wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:30 Topdoller wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:27 Incomplet wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:23 Topdoller wrote:
13 min no rush, the current state of PvZ is shocking at the moment. Only Grubby makes protoss worth watching these days


Creator, Parting, Seed, Squirtle & Royal Roader Sun.



Nope those players are boring sorry. just because they win doest mean they are good to watch


Parting is boring? Rain is boring?

Come on now. Don't be silly.

ikr... Rain has gotta be one of the most awesome protosses to watch.


Creator, Squirtle, and Seed could indeed be boring. But Rain? No.


True. Seed's play makes my head hurt (effective but seriously lacking any beauty). Squirtle's and Creator's is edible (exceprt from the colossus all-ins PvT).

But Rain dude? He is a treat to watch. Everything from reflexes to micro to macro to strats to game plan is wonderful...
"The art of war is of vital importance to the state" || MVP.Keen fan since the day he stole my heart with a double 2rax. http://i.imgur.com/A82cl.gif
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
September 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#494
On September 23 2012 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
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On September 23 2012 18:33 Elem wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:32 Shikyo wrote:
um Nightend ...

That was a pretty weird panic-allin reaction to a scouted stargate -.-
That was actually his strategy.

How can that possibly be the case?
Have you ever played ZvP (or PvZ)? The single voidray into gateway unit all-in isn't that uncommon of a strategy. The idea is to force static defense and then wipe the floor out of your opponent with a massive burst of gateway units.
#freeshauni
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 23 2012 09:37 GMT
#495
On September 23 2012 18:35 Arco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Elem wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:32 Shikyo wrote:
um Nightend ...

That was a pretty weird panic-allin reaction to a scouted stargate -.-
That was actually his strategy.

How can that possibly be the case?

He made the Void Ray to force a reaction out of Stephano, which came in the form of Spore Crawlers. It was a smart decision, but he should have used a different followup. Archon/Zealot all in would have worked a lot better against this Ling style from Stephano instead of Blink Stalkers. Blink Stalkers get crushed by Upgraded Lings..

The thing is that along with the blink and the late +1 and the stargate and making 8 gate stalkers off 2 bases(note you can't support this) it meant that his build would lose against practically anything and it hit too late. That's why I said it was panic, I don't think he'd plan a build that is that bad.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
September 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#496
Making those lings was a smart move anyway. Fast lings enable him to get map scouting when Void Rays are out. He had one spore at each mineral line. This safeguards his mining from Void Ray play unless there are a lot of them or Phoenixes. He ran his lings around and only saw one Void Ray. NightEnd still has never beaten Stephano. Very tough draw for him considering that record.
iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
September 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#497
On September 23 2012 18:36 Split. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:35 iglocska wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Sakkreth wrote:
That was actually lucky by stephano, he got completely tricked by nightend, but luckily was going for lings which was a counter for what nightend was going for...

He seems to get "lucky" a lot by having the perfect reaction to everything. Maybe he just scouted something that gave it away what Nightend was doing? Gas count maybe?

It felt like Stephano was assuming a 3rd base for Nightend behind the stargate pressure and made lings to deny that, when he scouted that there is no 3rd he ran around until he found the stalkers and it was pretty clear from there on


The fact that he didn't build a single roach though really allowed him to power this many lings, which hard countered Nightend though. If he would have invested in just a few roaches he would have lost this imho.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
September 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#498
On September 23 2012 18:36 MaNaVoId wrote:
Why do they broadcast Sase vs Moon instead of Taeja?


Because Sase vs Moon might be close and both players have fans

Whereas Taeja is probably going to stomp Bly and only one player has (m)any fans
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
September 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#499
There's the forGG I know and love!
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#500
On September 23 2012 18:37 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Elem wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:32 Shikyo wrote:
um Nightend ...

That was a pretty weird panic-allin reaction to a scouted stargate -.-
That was actually his strategy.

How can that possibly be the case?
Have you ever played ZvP (or PvZ)? The single voidray into gateway unit all-in isn't that uncommon of a strategy. The idea is to force static defense and then wipe the floor out of your opponent with a massive burst of gateway units.

Tbh it's been a long time
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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