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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
September 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#501
cloud tt
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#502
Cloud just seems to be unable to handle what he can't expect, too often I see things like this destroy poor cloud.
Glorious SEA doto
IMMoonLight
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)332 Posts
September 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#503
On September 23 2012 18:36 MaNaVoId wrote:
Why do they broadcast Sase vs Moon instead of Taeja?

because Taeja really is not to play with the strongest player.....
It maybe one-side game
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
September 23 2012 09:39 GMT
#504
lol typical ForGG, poor cloud though
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
September 23 2012 09:39 GMT
#505
On September 23 2012 18:37 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Elem wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:32 Shikyo wrote:
um Nightend ...

That was a pretty weird panic-allin reaction to a scouted stargate -.-
That was actually his strategy.

How can that possibly be the case?
Have you ever played ZvP (or PvZ)? The single voidray into gateway unit all-in isn't that uncommon of a strategy. The idea is to force static defense and then wipe the floor out of your opponent with a massive burst of gateway units.


Every time I see this build it ends in void ray zealots though, never blink stalkers.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
September 23 2012 09:39 GMT
#506
ForGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 23 2012 09:39 GMT
#507
Somewhere vasa is crying at home.
Glorious SEA doto
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
September 23 2012 09:39 GMT
#508
Thats the most damage I've seen proxy marodar do in a while.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 23 2012 09:39 GMT
#509
On September 23 2012 18:38 Fusilero wrote:
Cloud just seems to be unable to handle what he can't expect, too often I see things like this destroy poor cloud.

He couldn't have done anything with his build order given his no scout.
Vira
Profile Joined November 2010
573 Posts
September 23 2012 09:39 GMT
#510
Stephano - ForGG , Stephano lost their last match , should be interesting.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
September 23 2012 09:40 GMT
#511
Damn I hate this build in TvT too. :/
Anyways fOrGG is gonna lose against Stephano, but I would have preferred to see ClouD play against Stephano given the old accusations of cheat and the pink power drama that occured back when Stephano won his multiple Go4sc2!
WriterMaru
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
September 23 2012 09:40 GMT
#512
Where did the hat go today? It's not on the dreamhack star anymore. :/
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
September 23 2012 09:40 GMT
#513
<3 Apollo

his voice so sexy (no homo :D)
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-23 09:41:27
September 23 2012 09:40 GMT
#514
On September 23 2012 18:37 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:35 Arco wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Elem wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:32 Shikyo wrote:
um Nightend ...

That was a pretty weird panic-allin reaction to a scouted stargate -.-
That was actually his strategy.

How can that possibly be the case?

He made the Void Ray to force a reaction out of Stephano, which came in the form of Spore Crawlers. It was a smart decision, but he should have used a different followup. Archon/Zealot all in would have worked a lot better against this Ling style from Stephano instead of Blink Stalkers. Blink Stalkers get crushed by Upgraded Lings..

The thing is that along with the blink and the late +1 and the stargate and making 8 gate stalkers off 2 bases(note you can't support this) it meant that his build would lose against practically anything and it hit too late. That's why I said it was panic, I don't think he'd plan a build that is that bad.
He went for the void ray instead of +2. It's a gamble. You can easily support 8 gate blink stalkers. The thing is Stephano's build choice pretty much hardcountered his play, not to mention he got caught by Stephano going for an early burst of lings to attack a potential 3rd since Stephano thought he'd go for voidray expand.

On September 23 2012 18:39 iglocska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:37 Elem wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Elem wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:32 Shikyo wrote:
um Nightend ...

That was a pretty weird panic-allin reaction to a scouted stargate -.-
That was actually his strategy.

How can that possibly be the case?
Have you ever played ZvP (or PvZ)? The single voidray into gateway unit all-in isn't that uncommon of a strategy. The idea is to force static defense and then wipe the floor out of your opponent with a massive burst of gateway units.


Every time I see this build it ends in void ray zealots though, never blink stalkers.
Exactly. Your opponent goes roaches, then you just smack his face with blink. Stephano had 1/1 lings though which wreck stalkers.
#freeshauni
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 23 2012 09:40 GMT
#515
On September 23 2012 18:39 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:38 Fusilero wrote:
Cloud just seems to be unable to handle what he can't expect, too often I see things like this destroy poor cloud.

He couldn't have done anything with his build order given his no scout.

Cloud seems to just be one of the NR15 players, he can handle a straight up pretty well but cheeses and proxies shut him and his builds down brutally.
Glorious SEA doto
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
September 23 2012 09:40 GMT
#516
damn forgg i wish he closed it in 2 games
Brood War is forever
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
September 23 2012 09:40 GMT
#517
On September 23 2012 18:39 Vira wrote:
Stephano - ForGG , Stephano lost their last match , should be interesting.


Yeah ForGG has been pretty impressive lately, especially in TvZ. I don't see Stephano rolling him over, that's for sure.
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MaNaVoId
Profile Joined February 2012
492 Posts
September 23 2012 09:41 GMT
#518
On September 23 2012 18:40 Poopi wrote:
Damn I hate this build in TvT too. :/
Anyways fOrGG is gonna lose against Stephano, but I would have preferred to see ClouD play against Stephano given the old accusations of cheat and the pink power drama that occured back when Stephano won his multiple Go4sc2!

hey but koreans own white dudes
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
September 23 2012 09:42 GMT
#519
On September 23 2012 18:37 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 18:35 Arco wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:33 Elem wrote:
On September 23 2012 18:32 Shikyo wrote:
um Nightend ...

That was a pretty weird panic-allin reaction to a scouted stargate -.-
That was actually his strategy.

How can that possibly be the case?

He made the Void Ray to force a reaction out of Stephano, which came in the form of Spore Crawlers. It was a smart decision, but he should have used a different followup. Archon/Zealot all in would have worked a lot better against this Ling style from Stephano instead of Blink Stalkers. Blink Stalkers get crushed by Upgraded Lings..

The thing is that along with the blink and the late +1 and the stargate and making 8 gate stalkers off 2 bases(note you can't support this) it meant that his build would lose against practically anything and it hit too late. That's why I said it was panic, I don't think he'd plan a build that is that bad.

8 gate is fine. Sure if you use chronoboost perfectly and hit the warp in times exactly 7 might be enough but its only 150 minerals. Often times it is more benefical if you spend your apm on micro than on hitting the warp in timing perfectly.
His build would have been great against a fast infestor tech (the usal response to stargate) or against a roach build.
Mass upgraded zerglings was the hard counter...
Cj hero | Zest
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
September 23 2012 09:42 GMT
#520
On September 23 2012 18:36 MaNaVoId wrote:
Why do they broadcast Sase vs Moon instead of Taeja?

Because SaSe is the most awesome player at the event.
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