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On September 23 2012 17:49 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 17:45 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:43 FakeDeath wrote:On September 23 2012 17:34 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:30 Carnate wrote:
Good decision making for votix He's incredibly good. Foreigners finally catching up  Continue to dream on. One series of ZvZ and foreigners are finally catching up? More like lagging behind. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=366722 I didn't really base it on that single match, but rather watching how those players play the matches out in general. WCS europe seemed to provide much higher quality games for example than I expected. Stephano going toe to toe with Taeja, and producing a similarly high quality games as against Lucifron is a good example. compare top 20 koreans to top 20 foreigners, heck, even compare top 50 koreans to top 20 foreigners, i assure you, most of the top 50 koreans would beat all foreigners except for the top 3 or something
that just isn't true anymore. there are so many better foreigners these days. even the NA scene has started to come into it's own.
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On September 23 2012 17:56 iglocska wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 17:55 xrapture wrote:On September 23 2012 17:53 CygnusAres wrote:
And don't forget in Code B we have YongJwa, plus the swarm of elephants is not out yet from the zoo... lol yup. 100+ Kespa players just switched to SC2 and they're all already better than almost all of WCS Europe. That is true, but the Kespa players suddenly appearing and being as good as they are shouldn't take away from the fact that more foreigners seem to be able to go up against gsl players.
More foreigners?
Nerchio and Stephano are the only one that comes to mind.
Can't say much about Lucifron and Vortix yet since they have not played a lot of game against Korean compared to those 2 but they show potential.
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Wow TheStc is looking so strong at the moment.
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On September 23 2012 17:59 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 17:56 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:55 xrapture wrote:On September 23 2012 17:53 CygnusAres wrote:
And don't forget in Code B we have YongJwa, plus the swarm of elephants is not out yet from the zoo... lol yup. 100+ Kespa players just switched to SC2 and they're all already better than almost all of WCS Europe. That is true, but the Kespa players suddenly appearing and being as good as they are shouldn't take away from the fact that more foreigners seem to be able to go up against gsl players. More foreigners? Nerchio and Stephano are the only one that comes to mind. Can't say much about Lucifron and Vortix yet since they have not played a lot of game against Korean compared to those.
X foreigner took Y BO3 off a Korean FOREIGNERS ARE EQUAL.
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On September 23 2012 17:58 tyner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 17:49 X3GoldDot wrote:On September 23 2012 17:45 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:43 FakeDeath wrote:On September 23 2012 17:34 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:30 Carnate wrote:
Good decision making for votix He's incredibly good. Foreigners finally catching up Continue to dream on. One series of ZvZ and foreigners are finally catching up? More like lagging behind. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=366722 I didn't really base it on that single match, but rather watching how those players play the matches out in general. WCS europe seemed to provide much higher quality games for example than I expected. Stephano going toe to toe with Taeja, and producing a similarly high quality games as against Lucifron is a good example. compare top 20 koreans to top 20 foreigners, heck, even compare top 50 koreans to top 20 foreigners, i assure you, most of the top 50 koreans would beat all foreigners except for the top 3 or something that just isn't true anymore. there are so many better foreigners these days. even the NA scene has started to come into it's own.
I have to disagree completely with " the NA scene has started to come into its own "
Scarlett is by far the best NA player, and she would not even be guaranteed a finish high enough for a WCS world finals seed at WCS EU because there are so many more good EU players.
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On September 23 2012 17:49 MartinN wrote:the first player to arrive in SC2 Area today was lucifroN ! training since early! ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3dmUIcCEAArkML.jpg)
Reminds me of the boxer-picture with the undertitle from CAKE.
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On a side note, a lot of Korean players aren't traveling as much as they used to.
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someone can answer me pls, i didn't watch vortix vs violet, it was short or a long serie ?
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On September 23 2012 17:54 iglocska wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 17:52 X3GoldDot wrote:On September 23 2012 17:48 Azarkon wrote:On September 23 2012 17:43 FakeDeath wrote:On September 23 2012 17:34 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:30 Carnate wrote:
Good decision making for votix He's incredibly good. Foreigners finally catching up Continue to dream on. This is such a bad joke. One series of ZvZ and foreigners are finally catching up? More like lagging behind. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=366722 Koreans who are sent to NA / EU tournaments are mid-tier+, while NA / EU tournaments, due to their BYOG / OB format, contain a lot of low / mid-tier- NA / EU players - ie half of the players in DH Valencia. An analysis has to be over the top, say, 20-30 NA / EU players rather than the entirety of NA / EU players to be useful. when a code B player gets 2nd in mlg, you realise that koreans are much better AS USUAL. as i said before, while the top 3 foreigners may go toe to toe with top 10 koreans, once you compare foreigner 5-20 to any code A korean, you would easily see the code A koreans winning Yonghwa is a code B player that is slaughtering code S players left and right in Korea right now. Alicia and Losira, both code B, are known to be really strong players and I don't think anyone would be too surprised if they beat a code S player every now and then. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Oh and yes, half of the tournament may be full of low tier players, but we're watching Elfi right now go toe to toe with thestc. Quite the achievement I'd say.
sigh, if every single player in the world entered the same tournament, top 100 would have 80+ koreans. i am quite certain of that.
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I don't think we can compare Lucifron with Koreans yet. He simply has not yet played any in any significant number. With Stephano people can make an analysis of his record against Koreans because he has played a whole host of LAN matches against Koreans. Almost 30 against Polt alone. So there is actual data and results to draw conclusions from.
Lucifron needs to actually win against Koreans before he can be judged as competitive against Korean pro-gamers. Having said that, Lucifron only really had his breakout tournament last weekend. It will be interesting to see whether he does go full-time or not. He may yet meet more Koreans today, and he most likely will at WCS World Championships too.
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YAY for the genius sound guy that knows how to volume the music instead of doing it 10 higher then the commentary! I will for always be gratefull!
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On September 23 2012 18:00 Makro wrote:
someone can answer me pls, i didn't watch vortix vs violet, it was short or a long serie ?
Game one was average length, game two was incredibly quick.
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On September 23 2012 17:57 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 17:56 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:55 xrapture wrote:On September 23 2012 17:53 CygnusAres wrote:
And don't forget in Code B we have YongJwa, plus the swarm of elephants is not out yet from the zoo... lol yup. 100+ Kespa players just switched to SC2 and they're all already better than almost all of WCS Europe. That is true, but the Kespa players suddenly appearing and being as good as they are shouldn't take away from the fact that more foreigners seem to be able to go up against gsl players. Is there really more players or are they just different from who was able to do it before?
It feels like there are more. Like a year ago I felt that there are literally 3-4 foreigners that even had a chance going into a series with a korean. Now I could list 10+ (Stephano, Lucifron, Vortix, Naniwa, Mana, Scarlett, Nerchio, Thorzain, Nightend, Sheth, just a quick list).
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On September 23 2012 17:58 tyner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 17:49 X3GoldDot wrote:On September 23 2012 17:45 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:43 FakeDeath wrote:On September 23 2012 17:34 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:30 Carnate wrote:
Good decision making for votix He's incredibly good. Foreigners finally catching up Continue to dream on. One series of ZvZ and foreigners are finally catching up? More like lagging behind. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=366722 I didn't really base it on that single match, but rather watching how those players play the matches out in general. WCS europe seemed to provide much higher quality games for example than I expected. Stephano going toe to toe with Taeja, and producing a similarly high quality games as against Lucifron is a good example. compare top 20 koreans to top 20 foreigners, heck, even compare top 50 koreans to top 20 foreigners, i assure you, most of the top 50 koreans would beat all foreigners except for the top 3 or something that just isn't true anymore. there are so many better foreigners these days. even the NA scene has started to come into it's own.
Since when? There was a thread recently about this and foreigner win% against Koreans was on the decline.. And no one has even played the Kespa pros, some of whom have smacked down GSL players pretty hard.
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ppl need to live in reality, where koreans are just killing everyone except for stephano and a few others left and right.
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On September 23 2012 18:00 Makro wrote:
someone can answer me pls, i didn't watch vortix vs violet, it was short or a long serie ?
Short and sweet. Second game was about 2 minutes long!
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On September 23 2012 18:00 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 17:54 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:52 X3GoldDot wrote:On September 23 2012 17:48 Azarkon wrote:On September 23 2012 17:43 FakeDeath wrote:On September 23 2012 17:34 iglocska wrote:On September 23 2012 17:30 Carnate wrote:
Good decision making for votix He's incredibly good. Foreigners finally catching up Continue to dream on. This is such a bad joke. One series of ZvZ and foreigners are finally catching up? More like lagging behind. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=366722 Koreans who are sent to NA / EU tournaments are mid-tier+, while NA / EU tournaments, due to their BYOG / OB format, contain a lot of low / mid-tier- NA / EU players - ie half of the players in DH Valencia. An analysis has to be over the top, say, 20-30 NA / EU players rather than the entirety of NA / EU players to be useful. when a code B player gets 2nd in mlg, you realise that koreans are much better AS USUAL. as i said before, while the top 3 foreigners may go toe to toe with top 10 koreans, once you compare foreigner 5-20 to any code A korean, you would easily see the code A koreans winning Yonghwa is a code B player that is slaughtering code S players left and right in Korea right now. Alicia and Losira, both code B, are known to be really strong players and I don't think anyone would be too surprised if they beat a code S player every now and then. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Oh and yes, half of the tournament may be full of low tier players, but we're watching Elfi right now go toe to toe with thestc. Quite the achievement I'd say. sigh, if every single player in the world entered the same tournament, top 100 would have 80+ koreans. i am quite certain of that.
The Korean scene has quantity when it comes to decent players, yes. Their scene is able to support both Kespa and ESF, each of which is of the size of the pro scene in Europe by itself.
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Aaand... elfi is out.
As for Vortix vs Violet:
1st game: 3 base muta vs muta on Ohana, Vortix snipes the spire, withstands the counter into GG.
2nd game: ling/drone all-in by Vortix with spine in base. Successful.
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On September 23 2012 18:00 Laryleprakon wrote:
On a side note, a lot of Korean players aren't traveling as much as they used to.
Did they ever really travel a lot though? If you take a look at who went where it's almost always a trip paid by the organizer, most Korean players go to MLG because their flight and accommodation is paid for if they make it into groups.
IPL4, IPL brought the entire Prime and Startale teams to play in the GSTL finals which led to an insane number of Korean players in the open bracket.
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Cloud vs ForGG on jorosar
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