EPTNever compare a professional athlete (especially one with the class and prominence of Federer) with a computer gamer.
Federer is one of the greatest athletes of all time. Flash was good at a video game.
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Doubting
Canada981 Posts
Never compare a professional athlete (especially one with the class and prominence of Federer) with a computer gamer. Federer is one of the greatest athletes of all time. Flash was good at a video game. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:26 Doubting wrote: Never compare a professional athlete (especially one with the class and prominence of Federer) with a computer gamer. Federer is one of the greatest athletes of all time. Flash was good at a video game. Both poured their life and soul into it. Flash dominated Starcraft, the most competitive esports of all time, like no other man had done before to a degree unimaginable to the point where korean commentators just called him God. You devalue him. | ||
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Doubting
Canada981 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:38 Pandain wrote: Both poured their life and soul into it. Flash dominated Starcraft, the most competitive esports of all time, like no other man had done before to a degree unimaginable to the point where korean commentators just called him God. You devalue him. no in the end Brood War is just a computer game isolated in 1 country. Tennis is a world wide real sport that requires harder training in a day then pro gamers do in a year. You can not compare a video game to tennis which means you cetainely can't compare Roger to Flash. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:41 Doubting wrote: no Tennis is a world wide real sport that requires harder training in a day then pro gamers do in a year.. ...makes no sense unless you're measuring by sweat produced. BW training regimes were brutal. Anyway it's so difficult to compare them. Tennis you make a bunch of unforced errors and you can still win, plus there's nothing like cheese or build order losses so the best player generally advances more than they do in SC. Tennis you might have to play on clay but you won't have to play on a map where it's almost impossible for your 'nationality' to win. Starcraft is far more unstable/knife edge so any sort of consistent domination is very impressive. That said, both are legends in their fields and comparable to some extent. | ||
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fakgfdgfdh
79 Posts
On September 27 2012 06:00 mrtomjones wrote: You have got to be kidding me... if the win rates of the top players are lower than the only argument is that the lesser players are able to keep up anyways... The harder the individual sport the further behind the average players will be. thats just not a rule in any way | ||
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fakgfdgfdh
79 Posts
how do you mean On September 27 2012 10:26 Doubting wrote: Never compare a professional athlete (especially one with the class and prominence of Federer) with a computer gamer. Federer is one of the greatest athletes of all time. Flash was good at a video game. yup, proffesional athletes are intrinsically superior *i didnt mean to doublepost | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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crazeh
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Doubting
Canada981 Posts
On September 27 2012 11:45 fakgfdgfdh wrote: how do you mean yup, proffesional athletes are intrinsically superior *i didnt mean to doublepost When comparing their accomplishments to progamer's then yes, being the best at a athletic sport should be seen as a greater achievement then being the best at a computer game. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:26 Doubting wrote: Never compare a professional athlete (especially one with the class and prominence of Federer) with a computer gamer. Federer is one of the greatest athletes of all time. Flash was good at a video game. Flash practiced 10+ hours every single day for years to become one of the greatest progamers of all time. Federer was good at a sport. | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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NBronJames
9 Posts
On September 27 2012 11:26 Scarecrow wrote: ...makes no sense unless you're measuring by sweat produced. BW training regimes were brutal. Anyway it's so difficult to compare them. Tennis you make a bunch of unforced errors and you can still win, plus there's nothing like cheese or build order losses so the best player generally advances more than they do in SC. Tennis you might have to play on clay but you won't have to play on a map where it's almost impossible for your 'nationality' to win. Starcraft is far more unstable/knife edge so any sort of consistent domination is very impressive. That said, both are legends in their fields and comparable to some extent. You are right. I don't know about other video games but BW's training regimes were brutal. Just look at the Kespa players. They are like machines and they are competing against thousands of players that practice just as much as them and are just as talented. We are talking about 10-15 hours a day. Ask Idra how brutal the competition can be since he stayed at CJ practice house. IMO, Flash deserves to be in the same sentence as Federer. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On September 27 2012 12:44 NBronJames wrote: You are right. I don't know about other video games but BW's training regimes were brutal. Just look at the Kespa players. They are like machines and they are competing against thousands of players that practice just as much as them and are just as talented. We are talking about 10-15 hours a day. Ask Idra how brutal the competition can be since he stayed at CJ practice house. IMO, Flash deserves to be in the same sentence as Federer. no way dude lol. Real sports should not be compared to playing video games. Even Chess, mocked by a lot of professional athletes as not a real sport, requires so much more talent, skill, and dedication to be at the top level than Starcraft. | ||
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NBronJames
9 Posts
On September 27 2012 12:31 Luepert wrote: The argument is not whether sports>esports or esports>sports in skill. But hundreds of thousands of more people play tennis than starcraft. If Flash had had a 100x more competition, he would likely not be as dominant, but Federer was still dominant despite such a huge player base. Well you can make the same argument with soccer or football. Since there are 100x more people playing soccer, Mesi > Federer? You are right about more people playing tennis but 99% of them don't take it seriously. It's like comparing BW and SC2. SC2 user base is probably 20x larger than BW but it only took 3-6 months for the Kespa players to catch up with the very best SC2 players. And don't forget the current best SC2 players such as MC and MVP all being former Kespa players. You think it would make a difference if the casual user base was 100x larger? I still see the Kespa or former Kespa players dominating. It's same as saying LoL players are better than Flash since they have a larger user base. | ||
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SecondHand
United States329 Posts
Flash dominated a computer game, that was definitely not worldwide. Federer>Flash | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:41 Doubting wrote: no in the end Brood War is just a computer game isolated in 1 country. Tennis is a world wide real sport that requires harder training in a day then pro gamers do in a year. You can not compare a video game to tennis which means you cetainely can't compare Roger to Flash. Why are you on this website? | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Also why the hell are we having this discussion? For one, it's apples to oranges. For another, starcraft has a history of about a decade. Tennis has a history of several hundred years, and do you really think Federer got to where he is easily? Nobody (well actually, some are) is trying to marginalize Flash's dedication and achievements. Every top player of a competitive sport that has any significant fanbase and competition has to practice his ass off. Second one is more of my personal opinion and is just a facet of the idea that you can't compare the two sports, but I had to get that out there. However, Federer was world number one of an extremely, extremely sport for freaking 237 consecutive weeks. That's over 4 and a half years of being the world fucking number one, amidst some of the craziest competition out there in an international sport. Tennis players cannot practice 10 and a half hours a day because they would die (they do train for many many hours though, of course...cumulatively Federer's training far exceeds Flash's even when you, for purposes of comparison, only compare an equivalent length of Roger's career, as Fed started much earlier, before even turning pro). Four and a half years in a row at number one out of hundreds and hundreds of really good players. This is just unheard of. Not to mention he is 31 years old and world number one right now, going into his SIXTEENTH year on the tour. He's been in the finals of 10 consecutive major tournaments and has been in 23 consecutive major semis. There are 4 major tournaments in a year. But all that aside, you just can't compare them...esports is not as physical so you're able to practice for longer period of time, and there is an extensive metagame etc etc. Tennis is physically fatiguing and also very mentally difficult, believe it or not, thanks to how it's 1 vs 1 for hours on end with a multitude of different strategies etc etc. Does this mean either sport's players are less dedicated? Hell no. It just means that you can't reliably compare the two. For what it's worth, Federer is generally considered one of the greatest athletes of all time, of any sport. The numbers he put up and the records he broke and made are simply mind-boggling. Clearly it's not like Flash didn't practice his ass off or didn't give it his all in order to become the greatest. In terms of greatest performers, Lee Young Ho falls short of Federer in my opinion for various reasons, some of which are enumerated or implied above. BUT again, you fundamentally just can't compare them...both are among the greatest at their respective sports but the sports are essentially distinct from each other in so many ways. You can draw parallels between sets and Bo3, Bo5, and what have you, but really. Come on. | ||
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stupidhydro
United States216 Posts
and on a more on topic note... congratulations to Last for the 0-2 comeback. pretty crazy. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
Check out Federer's win rates over his entire career including his start and now that he is not at top form. You will revise that opinion. This is a dumb discussion though anyways. Apples and oranges. | ||
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