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[OSL] Ro8: Last vs Flash - Page 33

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sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 15:18:23
September 26 2012 15:14 GMT
#641
On September 26 2012 22:56 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 22:49 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:46 sharkie wrote:
Stop insulting federer by comparing him to Flash.

Good job last!

I think you got that backwards, mate.


Fed was a lot more dominant than Flash, mate,


lol, not really.
1. you can't compare the two
2. there are so many more tennis tournaments/opportunities....

an I bet you Flash also put a bit more effort and time into practise. I'm not sure federer plays tennis for 10hours every day for 5 years straight.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
September 26 2012 15:21 GMT
#642
><"..

This is like Effort vs Flash finals a few years ago.

Oh well, guess we need to wait a little while for Flash to be dominant (hopefully) and consistent in this game.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 15:32:38
September 26 2012 15:29 GMT
#643
On September 27 2012 00:14 sCuMBaG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 22:56 FairForever wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:49 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:46 sharkie wrote:
Stop insulting federer by comparing him to Flash.

Good job last!

I think you got that backwards, mate.


Fed was a lot more dominant than Flash, mate,


lol, not really.
1. you can't compare the two
2. there are so many more tennis tournaments/opportunities....

an I bet you Flash also put a bit more effort and time into practise. I'm not sure federer plays tennis for 10hours every day for 5 years straight.


lol, are you serious?

Tennis has 4 Grand Slams in 1 year (which is more than OSL + MSL) and Federer has WON 17 of those. And he made it to semis in 23 STRAIGHT grand slams.

And time spent practicing can't be compare because you can't really practice tennis for 10 hours a day...

Federer is like Boxer + NaDa + iloveoov + Flash...
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
September 26 2012 15:29 GMT
#644
On September 27 2012 00:14 sCuMBaG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 22:56 FairForever wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:49 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:46 sharkie wrote:
Stop insulting federer by comparing him to Flash.

Good job last!

I think you got that backwards, mate.


Fed was a lot more dominant than Flash, mate,


lol, not really.
1. you can't compare the two
2. there are so many more tennis tournaments/opportunities....

an I bet you Flash also put a bit more effort and time into practise. I'm not sure federer plays tennis for 10hours every day for 5 years straight.

yeah, becaue it is not possible to play a physical demanding sport for 10 hours a day.
like you said, you cant compare the two.
TL+ Member
Gustafsson20
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden8 Posts
September 26 2012 15:39 GMT
#645
VODS unfortunatly you have to pay to watch them.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
September 26 2012 15:41 GMT
#646
effort'd
Everyday Girl's Day~!
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18718 Posts
September 26 2012 15:46 GMT
#647
On September 27 2012 00:14 sCuMBaG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 22:56 FairForever wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:49 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:46 sharkie wrote:
Stop insulting federer by comparing him to Flash.

Good job last!

I think you got that backwards, mate.


Fed was a lot more dominant than Flash, mate,


lol, not really.
1. you can't compare the two
2. there are so many more tennis tournaments/opportunities....

an I bet you Flash also put a bit more effort and time into practise. I'm not sure federer plays tennis for 10hours every day for 5 years straight.


and this is why esports is never taken seriously by outsiders :/
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
September 26 2012 15:58 GMT
#648
On September 26 2012 23:53 Scarecrow wrote:
Last had amazing TvT in bw and is one of the younger generation. Sad but not too surprised, still impressed with the comeback though. Cool styles by Last going between double starport -> bc's and pure ground compositions. Flash was stuck with raven viking most games which weren't particularly useful.

yeah, i didn't know too much about him so i looked up his stats in tlpd and it looks like they mostly used him as a tvt sniper in proleague, with really bad tvp and tvz

this makes him a very lucky fellow, getting matched up against flash of all people in the matchup that by far has the highest level of skill transference from sc1 to sc2
aaaaa
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
September 26 2012 16:03 GMT
#649
Nadal won 3 OSLs i heard.
Stork[gm]
benzcity07
Profile Joined February 2011
United States79 Posts
September 26 2012 16:25 GMT
#650
This is something I have worried about with SC2. I feel like the age of bonjwas could be over. I love Starcraft and WoL but I think its fairly safe to say that the skill ceiling for SC2 is below SC1, this essentially levels the playing field in the pro scene making it very tough for one person to truly dominate. Yes MVP, MC, DRG, MMA, Nestea, and now Taeja have all had really good spurts and runs, but nothing close to reminiscent of Boxer, Nada, or Flash. I truly hope someone proves me wrong, but I'm really worried no one will.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Tomred87
Profile Joined June 2009
United States46 Posts
September 26 2012 16:31 GMT
#651
On September 27 2012 00:29 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 00:14 sCuMBaG wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:56 FairForever wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:49 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:46 sharkie wrote:
Stop insulting federer by comparing him to Flash.

Good job last!

I think you got that backwards, mate.


Fed was a lot more dominant than Flash, mate,


lol, not really.
1. you can't compare the two
2. there are so many more tennis tournaments/opportunities....

an I bet you Flash also put a bit more effort and time into practise. I'm not sure federer plays tennis for 10hours every day for 5 years straight.


lol, are you serious?

Tennis has 4 Grand Slams in 1 year (which is more than OSL + MSL) and Federer has WON 17 of those. And he made it to semis in 23 STRAIGHT grand slams.

And time spent practicing can't be compare because you can't really practice tennis for 10 hours a day...

Federer is like Boxer + NaDa + iloveoov + Flash...


There are so many other factors that make consistently winning at tennis much easier than Starcraft.

Just 2 of these are:
1. You don't have to worry about surprise or unexpected "attacks" in tennis (cheese rush, faked timing pushes).
2. In Starcraft, 1 fatal mistake can lose you the game. Lose 3 games, and you lose the finals of OSL, MSL. In tennis, you make 1 fatal mistake, you lose 1 point. Which is not necessarily insignificant, but plays a much much smaller individual role in tennis.

The two would be a much more fair comparison if every match of Broodwar/SC2 was Bo35. Flash would win every series, every time (discounting other potential variables such as fatigue). But this isn't possible for obvious reasons.
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
September 26 2012 16:35 GMT
#652
People are literally comparing tennis players to Starcraft players
post to be
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goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 16:44:37
September 26 2012 16:37 GMT
#653
On September 27 2012 01:31 Tomred87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 00:29 vthree wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:14 sCuMBaG wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:56 FairForever wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:49 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:46 sharkie wrote:
Stop insulting federer by comparing him to Flash.

Good job last!

I think you got that backwards, mate.


Fed was a lot more dominant than Flash, mate,


lol, not really.
1. you can't compare the two
2. there are so many more tennis tournaments/opportunities....

an I bet you Flash also put a bit more effort and time into practise. I'm not sure federer plays tennis for 10hours every day for 5 years straight.


lol, are you serious?

Tennis has 4 Grand Slams in 1 year (which is more than OSL + MSL) and Federer has WON 17 of those. And he made it to semis in 23 STRAIGHT grand slams.

And time spent practicing can't be compare because you can't really practice tennis for 10 hours a day...

Federer is like Boxer + NaDa + iloveoov + Flash...


There are so many other factors that make consistently winning at tennis much easier than Starcraft.

Just 2 of these are:
1. You don't have to worry about surprise or unexpected "attacks" in tennis (cheese rush, faked timing pushes).
2. In Starcraft, 1 fatal mistake can lose you the game. Lose 3 games, and you lose the finals of OSL, MSL. In tennis, you make 1 fatal mistake, you lose 1 point. Which is not necessarily insignificant, but plays a much much smaller individual role in tennis.

The two would be a much more fair comparison if every match of Broodwar/SC2 was Bo35. Flash would win every series, every time (discounting other potential variables such as fatigue). But this isn't possible for obvious reasons.


1. No, instead you have to worry about a big hitter getting hot on any given day. (see: Rosol - Nadal)
2. In tennis, 1 bad service game can lose you the set. Lose 3 sets, and you lose the finals of a Grand Slam. Hell, in a tiebreaker, one bad point can lose you the set. 1 point in tennis != 1 Starcraft game.

Have you watched/played tennis? It's just completely different from Starcraft. The margins at the top for tennis is so ridiculously small, even if the top guys make it look really easy. You could maybe say that variance at the top level in tennis is less than in Starcraft, but that's about it...
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51117 Posts
September 26 2012 16:43 GMT
#654
On September 27 2012 01:03 bgx wrote:
Nadal won 3 OSLs i heard.


well played bro
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
September 26 2012 16:49 GMT
#655
On September 27 2012 01:37 goldrush wrote:

1. No, instead you have to worry about a big hitter getting hot on any given day. (see: Rosol - Nadal)
2. In tennis, 1 bad service game can lose you the set. Lose 3 sets, and you lose the finals of a Grand Slam. Hell, in a tiebreaker, one bad point can lose you the set. 1 point in tennis != 1 Starcraft game.

Have you watched/played tennis? It's just completely different from Starcraft. The margins at the top for tennis is so ridiculously small, even if the top guys make it look really easy. You could maybe say that variance at the top level in tennis is less than in Starcraft, but that's about it...


Dude, that random "Federer" guy has won 0 OSLs and 0 MSLs, and you dare compare him to Flash lol.
This is a starcraft forum, noone care about stupid "Grand Slam" tournament that requires no micro and macro :D.
Comeback when "Fererer" can get to C- on IccUP lol.
Khassar de Templari
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
September 26 2012 16:52 GMT
#656
if u wanna compare the difficulty of two systems, you can simply look at the top win rates of the top players. The lower it is the harder the system, hence sc is probably the hardest sport if we base our proof from a mathematics point of view.
oPPRoBe
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States199 Posts
September 26 2012 16:58 GMT
#657
...lol get of your high horses wow
Who cares if one is inherently "harder" than the other? It's the competition with others that makes a particular activity, whether it be StarCraft or Tennis, competitive. Just enjoy what you play and stop trying to compare difficulty levels..
lmlm
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
September 26 2012 17:00 GMT
#658
came to last page to see results spoilers
found tennis instead
:)
F0rlorn
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada74 Posts
September 26 2012 17:09 GMT
#659
Last please win this OSL, i believe in you.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10530 Posts
September 26 2012 17:11 GMT
#660
NO FLASH WHYY
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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