The time has come for the Premier group matches of the IGN Pro Team League!
Group B Schedule: LG-IM vs StarTale - September 12 Prime vs TSL - September 19 LG-IM vs Prime - September 26 StarTale vs TSL - October 3 StarTale vs Prime - October 10 LG-IM vs TSL - October 17
When: Wednesday, Sep 19 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
Premier Division Group A is made up of four teams: Team Liquid, SlayerS, MVP, and Evil Geniuses. Group B contains LG-Incredible Miracle, StarTale, Prime, and TSL. Both groups will play round robin against each other team in their group. When group stages are over, the top two teams from each Group will play in a playoff for the $9,000 first prize!
Team SCV Life RevivaL Polt Symbol HyuN Cyrano Inori Punisher Shine RagnaroK Venus Mamuri Center
Prime BboongBboong ByuN MarineKing Creator Maru AriA Classic Lucy Salmosa
The First Game of the IPTL Premier Division Group B is on Wednesday, Sep 19 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
ooof Sick match and I like both teams. But gotta support and go with TSL on this one TSL zerg lineup is so sick and Polt can beat anyone on Prime. Just gotta stop ByuN and MKP and Creator early on then TSL should take it there line up feels overall more solid and deep.
At this point, Prime really only can rely on MKP and Creator to carry the team, as the rest of the members really have not been pushing their weight around for the team. If MKP and Creator can gain momentum, TSL is in trouble, but if MKP is sniped by a Zerg, and Creator somehow loses, TSL can take it.
On September 20 2012 04:40 PhoenixVoid wrote: At this point, Prime really only can rely on MKP and Creator to carry the team, as the rest of the members really have not been pushing their weight around for the team. If MKP and Creator can gain momentum, TSL is in trouble, but if MKP is sniped by a Zerg, and Creator somehow loses, TSL can take it.
TSL 5-3 Prime
Byun is still an absolute heavyweight. Don't count him out just because he had a rather weak day in Code S (and still only lost to By.Rain who is owning everyone now).
Really excited to see Kevin at Dreamhack! I think he's at his best at live events, and he seems like such a nice guy. Dunno if I heard him cast with Apollo, but can't imagine it being anything less than fantastic!
tbh i think starting with maru is a good choice - fairly solid in all matchups (maybe a bit zerg-weak), prime is terran-heavy, and byun/mkp you don't want falling too early. gives maru a bit more experience too use mkp as a protoss or terran sniper, hope he sweeps a bit (definitely able to take 2-4 wins on a good day) bboong if someone is zerg-weak (e.g. zvt) bbong is bad against protoss, but prime is very strong against protoss anyway) use byun as neccessary! similar role as mkp i guess, but very different style, so mixing up byun/mkp is good to keep oponents on their toes close out with creator, who has like a 14-2 record in ace matches (has only ever lost to bomber)
On September 20 2012 08:06 DJHelium wrote: Really excited to see Kevin at Dreamhack! I think he's at his best at live events, and he seems like such a nice guy. Dunno if I heard him cast with Apollo, but can't imagine it being anything less than fantastic!
I've never seen Kevin casting in an other event than an IPL one. But I'll never forget his shout out for the GSTL final.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
If it's true it's really weird indeed. SKT.Rain would be a great choice I think.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
If it's true it's really weird indeed. SKT.Rain would be a great choice I think.
Rain would be great, but I don't think we will see a Kespa player in fightclub for quite some time. Not really enough money for them to divert their attention from bigger tournaments like OSL GSL and when next season starts pro league too.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
If it's true it's really weird indeed. SKT.Rain would be a great choice I think.
Rain would be great, but I don't think we will see a Kespa player in fightclub for quite some time. Not really enough money for them to divert their attention from bigger tournaments like OSL GSL and when next season starts pro league too.
Well, the cash prize for beating Hyun is 600$ + 500$ for the victory. I think it's "enough" money for a BO9.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
This game is a prime example of why I hate the infestor as a unit, Marineking has a massive lead and gets caught clumped once and a single fungal drops him 60 supply.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
On September 20 2012 08:41 Zath.erin wrote: This game is a prime example of why I hate the infestor as a unit, Marineking has a massive lead and gets caught clumped once and a single fungal drops him 60 supply.
One fungal and a few banes can really ruin your day!
On September 20 2012 08:41 Zath.erin wrote: This game is a prime example of why I hate the infestor as a unit, Marineking has a massive lead and gets caught clumped once and a single fungal drops him 60 supply.
One fungal and a few banes can really ruin your day!
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
Yea mean HyuN just lost to Nerchio? Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Ugh, fungal really ruining the game for MKP. He looked like he was doing so well, denying 4th/5th, putting loads of pressure on Symbol, and having his own fourth then BAM, everything goes down from there.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
Yea mean HyuN just lost to Nerchio? Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Also congratz on 6k!
Titan lost 2-3 to Hyun in the last ZOTAC Monthly Final (played on NA, same as IPL stuff) about three weeks ago, if it's anything like that, the games will be at least close.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
Yea mean HyuN just lost to Nerchio? Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Also congratz on 6k!
Let's consider our options. Mana? Would get destroyed. HasuObs? Not wild enough to control the series. Nightend? Same deal. Sase? Too inconsistent in PvZ to trust over a Bo9. BabyKnight? He has the potential but only recently started to show the results. Fraer could do it but there's no real reason to pick him over Titan.
Aww, I didn't notice that! Post count master!
On September 20 2012 08:50 PhoenixVoid wrote: Weird choice for Bboong to be sent out, but I think Prime is preserving their heavy hitters for Polt or Symbol in the future.
BBoong is good at ZvZ, Symbol is struggling to remain consistent in it.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
Yea mean HyuN just lost to Nerchio? Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Also congratz on 6k!
Titan lost 2-3 to Hyun in the last ZOTAC Monthly Final (played on NA, same as IPL stuff) about three weeks ago, if it's anything like that, the games will be at least close.
Huh I thought that series went 3-1.... Maybe won't be as one sided as I originally thought, Though I still only give Titan a 1-2% chance of actually winning the series.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
Yea mean HyuN just lost to Nerchio? Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Also congratz on 6k!
Titan lost 2-3 to Hyun in the last ZOTAC Monthly Final (played on NA, same as IPL stuff) about three weeks ago, if it's anything like that, the games will be at least close.
Huh I thought that series went 3-1.... Maybe won't be as one sided as I originally thought, Though I still only give Titan a 1-2% chance of actually winning the series.
If Hyun played slightly more carelessly in Game 3, Titan would've won that series 3-0.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
Yea mean HyuN just lost to Nerchio? Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Also congratz on 6k!
Titan lost 2-3 to Hyun in the last ZOTAC Monthly Final (played on NA, same as IPL stuff) about three weeks ago, if it's anything like that, the games will be at least close.
Huh I thought that series went 3-1.... Maybe won't be as one sided as I originally thought, Though I still only give Titan a 1-2% chance of actually winning the series.
Honestly, I don't see any foreigner out of Nerchio (who has already played) or "maybe" Scarlett (who are both very good at ZvZ) beating HyuN. No Protoss seems able to beat him. The only terran who can might be LucifroN.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
Yea mean HyuN just lost to Nerchio? Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Also congratz on 6k!
Titan lost 2-3 to Hyun in the last ZOTAC Monthly Final (played on NA, same as IPL stuff) about three weeks ago, if it's anything like that, the games will be at least close.
Huh I thought that series went 3-1.... Maybe won't be as one sided as I originally thought, Though I still only give Titan a 1-2% chance of actually winning the series.
Honestly, I don't see any foreigner out of Nerchio (who has already played) or "maybe" Scarlett (who are both very good at ZvZ) beating HyuN. No Protoss seems able to beat him. The only terran who can might be LucifroN.
ugh please for the past few casts of IPTL games call them infested terrans or even infested terran eggs not "infested swarm eggs" it just sounds weird O_O
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
Yea mean HyuN just lost to Nerchio? Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Also congratz on 6k!
Titan lost 2-3 to Hyun in the last ZOTAC Monthly Final (played on NA, same as IPL stuff) about three weeks ago, if it's anything like that, the games will be at least close.
Huh I thought that series went 3-1.... Maybe won't be as one sided as I originally thought, Though I still only give Titan a 1-2% chance of actually winning the series.
Honestly, I don't see any foreigner out of Nerchio (who has already played) or "maybe" Scarlett (who are both very good at ZvZ) beating HyuN. No Protoss seems able to beat him. The only terran who can might be LucifroN.
On September 20 2012 08:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously.. Titan is going to be the next fight club challenger? No offence meant to Titan but they mind as well just give HyuN the money now...
Titan has odd PvZ, good enough to consistently beat the best zergs in Europe. I'm sure that IPL is also thinking about their foreign audience with this showmatch.
Titan does have an odd PvZ but HyuN knows it.. he has already beat him in I think it was a Zotac cup. I haven't seen him actually play any of the top zergs in Europe so I'll have to take your word on that. But still HyuN is leagues above Europe's top zergs(Especially in on line tournies). If you want to pander to the foreign viewers with it, try getting at least a Terran or a higher calibre foreign protoss.
Again I'm not trying to be mean to Titan but I expect a 5-0 or 5-1 absolute beat down in this weeks Fight club....
More ontopic: Go Go MKP!!! Stompin em out
Meh, he just lost to Nerchio in the ZOTAC Monthly.
The number of top tier foreign terrans is sparse. There are few foreign protosses better than Titan, you just don't hear much about him.
Yea mean HyuN just lost to Nerchio? Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Also congratz on 6k!
Titan lost 2-3 to Hyun in the last ZOTAC Monthly Final (played on NA, same as IPL stuff) about three weeks ago, if it's anything like that, the games will be at least close.
Huh I thought that series went 3-1.... Maybe won't be as one sided as I originally thought, Though I still only give Titan a 1-2% chance of actually winning the series.
Honestly, I don't see any foreigner out of Nerchio (who has already played) or "maybe" Scarlett (who are both very good at ZvZ) beating HyuN. No Protoss seems able to beat him. The only terran who can might be LucifroN.
wtf?....
Foreign terran I mean, you notice ?
ah ok. Yea lucifron would have the best shot of foreign T's. Would still probably get 5-0'd tho. Hyun is on a different level than Stephano.
Still think B4 was a strange pick, Symbol's ZvZ is scary as fuck and B4's a good sniper to have on deck for Polt. I mean Symbol is probably the most inconsistent player in Korea atm but when he's good, he's dominant.
Prime really needs more Zergs. They suffer in terms of depth from being so heavy on one race. It helps that Creator is really damn good, but B4 is too average to adequately fill in the Zerg void in their roster.
On September 20 2012 09:05 stephenrau wrote: Has B4 ever come through in a team game? He's cost Prime so many times I can't help being a big antifan
to be fair, Prime only ever uses MKP, Maru, B4, Byun, and Creator. They need a top Zerg imo
That's what I'm saying.. he's put in situations where a zerg should succeed and he never does. Granted against Symbol he's a big underdog but it seemed like that game he should have won. B4 used to be Code S/A but admits the pressure gets to him. But I'm not sure if that's the case or just skill level.
I was temporarily annoyed at Creator as well for GSTL where his super passive play against zerg with a huge lead (instead of going for the kill like MC) cost them a big game last season.. But I think he's improved a lot in that regard. Yonghwa is also super cautious at times and frustrating to watch.
On September 20 2012 09:14 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote: Hoped prime will win but, MKP is already knocked out T__T and hes the star player
Creator is much better than MKP in team leagues.
You can say Creator is just better than MKP actually.
nah, not so sure of that just yet. mkp has achieved much more, and creator is more recent/rising than mkp
Yes, of course in a big event like MLG/IPL or GSL (Creator not even in code S) MKP is a safer bet but Creator just won TSL4 and WCS KR. The level of WCS KR was just insane.
On September 20 2012 09:24 stephenrau wrote: Wow Maru meets Effort in ro48 code A
and Byun meets Creator
ro32 for them :p dw they'll make it through U/D! i think byun will have a bit of an easier time in bo1 though
I would rate my fourteen year old self as pretty awful.
Also, was that a reference to like a three week old live report thread or something? I know I said something along those lines some time ago, think it was in reference to Life in the TSL4 finals.
On September 20 2012 09:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: Oh of course, Maru returns to his cheesy tactics. Can't really say anything, but I think he fears HyuN in a macro situation.
he did pretty well against symbol in such a situation!
On September 20 2012 09:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: Oh of course, Maru returns to his cheesy tactics. Can't really say anything, but I think he fears HyuN in a macro situation.
This is a bit beyond the realm of constructive criticism, but here goes anyway. Hopefully I'm not the only one feeling this.
IPL: Please invest in some better casting. I don't want to hate on anyone in particular, but IPTL/IPL regularly has some of the best matchups. But the casters are so awful (childish, awkward) the stream is nearly unwatchable despite the sick lineups.
so many zergs leave as soon as their hatch dies, yet I have seen plenty of zergs get wins when they continued to play. If you don't want to put in the effort you won't become a better player. It's easy to play when you're ahead.
People love to bitch at Blizzard and blame balance but hasnt the #1 reason for the struggles of Terran vs Zerg lategame (besides the improvement of zergs) been the change in maps. Like the map Maru just played and maps like Atlantis Spaceship, Metropolis, etc., Instead of old maps Antiga, Shakuras, etc. Maybe it is a balance issue when terran can't macro quite like zerg lategame but that's the very nature of the races. So if they changed the map pool things would be very different for all the races.
Oh wow, Entombed Valley spells bad news for HyuN I feel. If HyuN loses this, only Polt can stand toe to toe with Creator, and then ByuN is always there.
On September 20 2012 09:52 stephenrau wrote: People love to bitch at Blizzard and blame balance but hasnt the #1 reason for the struggles of Terran vs Zerg lategame (besides the improvement of zergs) been the change in maps. Like the map Maru just played and maps like Atlantis Spaceship, Metropolis, etc., Instead of old maps Antiga, Shakuras, etc. Maybe it is a balance issue when terran can't macro quite like zerg lategame but that's the very nature of the races. So if they changed the map pool things would be very different for all the races.
People already knew about this for a long time. Steppes of War anyone?
On September 20 2012 09:43 muzkrat wrote: This is a bit beyond the realm of constructive criticism, but here goes anyway. Hopefully I'm not the only one feeling this.
IPL: Please invest in some better casting. I don't want to hate on anyone in particular, but IPTL/IPL regularly has some of the best matchups. But the casters are so awful (childish, awkward) the stream is nearly unwatchable despite the sick lineups.
Actually a lot of the time I enjoy their casters, particularly the day Axslav was casting
piss poor play from hyun. he got to 5 bases while creator was building his third, surprised him with mutas before blink and he still loses due to no spine wall and no infestor tech when he was on 3k+ overmins when creator attacked
On September 20 2012 10:08 GreyKnight wrote: hyun actually had a chance in this game hmmm
he had many chances. If he had transitioned behind his mutas and gone to infestor/ling Creator would not have had a chance.
At some point blink stalkers simply are too efficient (esp. if you fall behind in upgrades which you almost always do). I like playing mutas against protoss, but if the Toss reacts as well as Creator did you need to transition out asap.
Mmmmm protoss players are getting really good at scouting over the entire map with zealots for hidden buildings. I swear, whenever I get into a base race, I have no idea where they are hiding, but pros seem to have zealots everywhere seeing everything.
On September 20 2012 10:11 PhoenixVoid wrote: Sad thing was that HyuN could have won that if he simply set up the Spines 50 seconds before.
He had 3k minerals and was on 100 drones and maxed on mutas for the longest time. I have no idea why he didn't make spines, you're supposed to anyway in any base race situation and it looks like he was setting up for that the entire game.
That was probably the first time I saw such a situation. An observer saw an entire doom drop AND positioned units accordingly and then still took gamebreaking damage because he didnt control his stalkers and templar in time..
On top of that it happened exactly the same way a second time... Creator threw this away when he had it. (Three times actually his probes at the natural could have (and should have) killed the bunker.
Polt doom drop style is kinda gimmicky I feel. He often get punished hard for it
It took a long time to finish the game after doing so much damage at the begining too. Overall not as impressive as I wish it would be as a Polt fan =(
On September 20 2012 10:31 Noocta wrote: Polt doom drop style is kinda gimmicky I feel. He often get punished hard for it
It took a long time to finish the game after doing so much damage at the begining too. Overall not as impressive as I wish it would be as a Polt fan =(
On September 20 2012 10:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: Metropolis TvT situations are interesting, either end on 2-3 bases, or some long drawn out game which can transition into BCs.
BCs transition only happend in Mech vs Biomech gamess tho. Korean marinetank versus marinetank usually don't transition, at all.
Damn, if Polt had only been a little more patient and not attacked ByuN at the one-base mode, he could have won and just rode his macro advantage further.
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
They do have good players, especially in Creator and Byun, but I thought with Symbol, Polt, and Hyun still up they didn't have much of a shot.
Proleague by Sayle is so awesome.. My favorite moment was when Sayle was cracking up over Leta giving Effort the death stare for getting eliminated in the base race vs Bisu.
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
They do have good players, especially in Creator and Byun, but I thought with Symbol, Polt, and Hyun still up they didn't have much of a shot.
creator is arguably better than any of the three, haha
On September 20 2012 11:00 GTPGlitch wrote: yeah tsl definitely shouldn't have played polt before shine
I totally agree. It's not like SlayerS or MVP who sent b-teamers. TSL sent all his great players but not in the good order I think. Shine as ace is a weird choice. Symbol or Polt would have been way better.
On September 20 2012 11:00 GTPGlitch wrote: yeah tsl definitely shouldn't have played polt before shine
I totally agree. It's not like SlayerS or MVP who sent b-teamers. TSL sent all his great players but not in the good order I think. Shine as ace is a weird choice. Symbol or Polt would have been way better.
symbol was sniping mkp, polt to snipe creator. TSL doesn't have many options really other than those two to snipe MKP/creator, so this was the only way to roll imo.
Zerg really need to start mixing in queens with their unit compositions. Transfuse is great for keeping your expensive units like ultralisks, infestors and broodlords alive, and they make banshees pretty useless in tandem with infestors and overseers. Having just infestors as AA tho, leaves you so vulnerable to banshees.
ByuN always manages to pull for Prime when they are down, and TSL continues the trend of 5-4 almost every team game in IPTL (and IPL TAC). I like to think I blame it on HyuN, because he should have defeated Creator earlier and probably could have beat ByuN, or at least left him to Polt.
On September 20 2012 11:04 Liltwizzler wrote: It's too bad Symbol couldn't play but I guess GSL > IPTL
he did play, lost to maru lol
On September 20 2012 11:04 PhoenixVoid wrote: ByuN always manages to pull for Prime when they are down, and TSL continues the trend of 5-4 almost every team game in IPTL (and IPL TAC). I like to think I blame it on HyuN, because he should have defeated Creator earlier and probably could have beat ByuN, or at least left him to Polt.
i'm not so sure; had there been spines up, creator would have just fallen back and gone into a longer game. it's not like that push was all-in and had to deal damage creator handled the mutas extremely well =] also, byun good mang!
On September 20 2012 11:00 GTPGlitch wrote: yeah tsl definitely shouldn't have played polt before shine
I totally agree. It's not like SlayerS or MVP who sent b-teamers. TSL sent all his great players but not in the good order I think. Shine as ace is a weird choice. Symbol or Polt would have been way better.
symbol was sniping mkp, polt to snipe creator. TSL doesn't have many options really other than those two to snipe MKP/creator, so this was the only way to roll imo.
Given the last results of MKP against Zerg, they could have taken the risk of sending Shine or RevivaL to snipe MKP while keeping Symbol as the ace.
Well it's not so bad. Losing 5-4 against one of the best (if not the best) team-leagues team is still a decent result.
Yay ByuN, I'm so happy right now considering his run this season in code S T_T. Glad to see him playing well, Shine isn't a walkover but I'd have loved to see him against Symbol or HyuN
On September 20 2012 11:04 PhoenixVoid wrote: ByuN always manages to pull for Prime when they are down, and TSL continues the trend of 5-4 almost every team game in IPTL (and IPL TAC). I like to think I blame it on HyuN, because he should have defeated Creator earlier and probably could have beat ByuN, or at least left him to Polt.
i'm not so sure; had there been spines up, creator would have just fallen back and gone into a longer game. it's not like that push was all-in and had to deal damage creator handled the mutas extremely well =] also, byun good mang!
Yeah it's not like Creator wanted to base trade, it's HyuN was so screwed by compo he have no choice but to base trade
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
Prime have absolutely no depth... After the starting 5, they have AriA, Classic, Lucy, Salmosa... out of the 4 I'm most curious of Lucy, who supposed to be a (even) younger version of Creator, he made Code A prelim final first try, taking out Ready but lost to Dream
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
Prime have absolutely no depth... After the starting 5, they have AriA, Classic, Lucy, Salmosa... out of the 4 I'm most curious of Lucy, who supposed to be a (even) younger version of Creator, he made Code A prelim final first try, taking out Ready but lost to Dream
but their starting 5 is a very good starting 5! haha. also, i think lucy is an old BW pro
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
Prime have absolutely no depth... After the starting 5, they have AriA, Classic, Lucy, Salmosa... out of the 4 I'm most curious of Lucy, who supposed to be a (even) younger version of Creator, he made Code A prelim final first try, taking out Ready but lost to Dream
but their starting 5 is a very good starting 5! haha. also, i think lucy is an old BW pro
On September 20 2012 11:13 14fighter wrote: They need more sponsors like Startale first t.t. Beats Startale more then startale beats PRime and has less sponsors .
Prime actually was on the verge of disbanding for a very very long time, until they came up with the weird SC2 team / online fashion store abomination.
And I don't think they ever recruited any well established player (only exception I can think of is ByuN), they always grew their own talents.
On September 20 2012 11:12 189984268 wrote: Prime should recruits more members like StarTale.
LucyPrime is our new savior, my good man.
On September 20 2012 11:12 ragz_gt wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:46 Badfatpanda wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
Prime have absolutely no depth... After the starting 5, they have AriA, Classic, Lucy, Salmosa... out of the 4 I'm most curious of Lucy, who supposed to be a (even) younger version of Creator, he made Code A prelim final first try, taking out Ready but lost to Dream
but their starting 5 is a very good starting 5! haha. also, i think lucy is an old BW pro
On September 20 2012 11:13 14fighter wrote: They need more sponsors like Startale first t.t. Beats Startale more then startale beats PRime and has less sponsors .
Prime actually was on the verge of disbanding for a very very long time, until they came up with the weird SC2 team / online fashion store abomination.
i know right, haha. bisu should leave skt and model for prime ;D
seriously though, for everyone - do check out the store, there's some really nice stuff there
On September 20 2012 11:13 14fighter wrote: They need more sponsors like Startale first t.t. Beats Startale more then startale beats PRime and has less sponsors .
Prime actually was on the verge of disbanding for a very very long time, until they came up with the weird SC2 team / online fashion store abomination.
PRIME IS THEIR OWN SPONSOR
edit: damn prime got Kal? glad he's not retiring after military, but sad he be ditchin STX :O
On September 20 2012 11:12 189984268 wrote: Prime should recruits more members like StarTale.
LucyPrime is our new savior, my good man.
On September 20 2012 11:12 ragz_gt wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:46 Badfatpanda wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
Prime have absolutely no depth... After the starting 5, they have AriA, Classic, Lucy, Salmosa... out of the 4 I'm most curious of Lucy, who supposed to be a (even) younger version of Creator, he made Code A prelim final first try, taking out Ready but lost to Dream
but their starting 5 is a very good starting 5! haha. also, i think lucy is an old BW pro
On September 20 2012 11:13 14fighter wrote: They need more sponsors like Startale first t.t. Beats Startale more then startale beats PRime and has less sponsors .
Prime actually was on the verge of disbanding for a very very long time, until they came up with the weird SC2 team / online fashion store abomination.
i know right, haha. bisu should leave skt and model for prime ;D
seriously though, for everyone - do check out the store, there's some really nice stuff there
mmm is you mean Kal wiki shows he is with ACE still And there is no actual way for him to join Prime with the trade restriction
In the same thread DiMano said
On September 13 2012 01:30 DiMano wrote: Btw Lucy (Jo Ji Hyun) is the new Prime member. He is younger then Creator and made to the finals at first attempt and lost in a close series 2-1 to MVP.Dream (who won all his previous matches 2-0). Just want to say you guys that you should watch for him at GSTL and IPTL and other korean events and prelims, we have the new star rising.
On September 20 2012 11:12 189984268 wrote: Prime should recruits more members like StarTale.
LucyPrime is our new savior, my good man.
On September 20 2012 11:12 ragz_gt wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:46 Badfatpanda wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
Prime have absolutely no depth... After the starting 5, they have AriA, Classic, Lucy, Salmosa... out of the 4 I'm most curious of Lucy, who supposed to be a (even) younger version of Creator, he made Code A prelim final first try, taking out Ready but lost to Dream
but their starting 5 is a very good starting 5! haha. also, i think lucy is an old BW pro
On September 20 2012 11:13 14fighter wrote: They need more sponsors like Startale first t.t. Beats Startale more then startale beats PRime and has less sponsors .
Prime actually was on the verge of disbanding for a very very long time, until they came up with the weird SC2 team / online fashion store abomination.
i know right, haha. bisu should leave skt and model for prime ;D
seriously though, for everyone - do check out the store, there's some really nice stuff there
On September 13 2012 01:30 DiMano wrote: Btw Lucy (Jo Ji Hyun) is the new Prime member. He is younger then Creator and made to the finals at first attempt and lost in a close series 2-1 to MVP.Dream (who won all his previous matches 2-0). Just want to say you guys that you should watch for him at GSTL and IPTL and other korean events and prelims, we have the new star rising.
So we will see when he actually does something
apparently he is a different Kal to the one on ace? but yeah, i'm hoping to get to know Lucy better!
On September 20 2012 12:27 opterown wrote: hahaha that polt leaving thing is kinda amusing, if a tad petty
because there is no way polt was joking right
no idea, but if it was the case as presented, seems kinda drastic to leave a team over a movie ticket, which is like, what, $10. chump change compared to polt's winnings haha. plus considering players who win often shout their team dinner etc too, lol
On September 20 2012 11:34 189984268 wrote: Prime was on the verge of disbanding after Polt left?
I heard many teams want MKP to join them at that time, but he didn't leave Prime.
Really good man.
Yeah, MKP is great . Can anyone tell me why Polt left Prime?
Wow, I've never heard that before? When was that posted? The tone doesn't sound like a joke and he did say him and his coach had disagreements on things, but wouldn't elaborate at the time. Guess this was the disagreement, but man it sucks hongun didn't pay him back, but quitting the team is kind of drastic. However, if you can't get along with someone in the team house, I guess you wouldn't want to live with that person.
On September 20 2012 11:12 189984268 wrote: Prime should recruits more members like StarTale.
LucyPrime is our new savior, my good man.
On September 20 2012 11:12 ragz_gt wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:46 Badfatpanda wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:45 StaplerPhone wrote: I didn't think it'd be this close after Prime lost MKP so early on
People see MKP and don't realize that Prime has ridiculous depth in their roster. So many really good players. I think it came down to Maru sniping Symbol out before he really got rolling.
Prime have absolutely no depth... After the starting 5, they have AriA, Classic, Lucy, Salmosa... out of the 4 I'm most curious of Lucy, who supposed to be a (even) younger version of Creator, he made Code A prelim final first try, taking out Ready but lost to Dream
but their starting 5 is a very good starting 5! haha. also, i think lucy is an old BW pro
On September 20 2012 11:13 14fighter wrote: They need more sponsors like Startale first t.t. Beats Startale more then startale beats PRime and has less sponsors .
Prime actually was on the verge of disbanding for a very very long time, until they came up with the weird SC2 team / online fashion store abomination.
i know right, haha. bisu should leave skt and model for prime ;D
seriously though, for everyone - do check out the store, there's some really nice stuff there
On September 13 2012 01:30 DiMano wrote: Btw Lucy (Jo Ji Hyun) is the new Prime member. He is younger then Creator and made to the finals at first attempt and lost in a close series 2-1 to MVP.Dream (who won all his previous matches 2-0). Just want to say you guys that you should watch for him at GSTL and IPTL and other korean events and prelims, we have the new star rising.
So we will see when he actually does something
Sorry guys Creator said that he is a year older and I read it as if he said that Lucy a year younger, so Lucy is 16 years old (Creator 15).
All information about Lucy: 1) Name: 조지현 Jo Ji Hyun 2) Nickname: Lucy (he used this id in GSL prelims). 3) Age: 16 (a year older then Creator). 3) He was firstly mentioned in Creator's interview "Recently, we acquired a new player named Jo Ji Hyun. He's a year older than me but I wish him the best of luck since he's with Prime now". 4) Creator also thanked Lucy for practicing after winning WCS. " I want to thank the players who practised with me, FXO's Tear, and from our team Jo Ji Hyun, Song Gwang Ho (Aria from Woongjin not a new Prime member)". 5) Lucy took part in the GSL prelims 2012 Global StarCraft II League Season 4/Preliminaries/Day1. This is probably his battle.net account (he changed it from LuCyPrime to 만들고제명프라임 where 프라임 means Prime). PS. He is not ACE.GooJila lol :D
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Awhh but still losing a ZvZ isn't really telling to be fair. I will admit I don't know THAT much about Titan, but I have seen a couple of his games and I'm still not convinced he is near HyuN's skill(Though I am kind of biased being a HyuN fan!) Either way I guess we shall find out on monday...
Yea lucifron would have the best shot of foreign T's. Would still probably get 5-0'd tho. Hyun is on a different level than Stephano.
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