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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:52 WigglingSquid wrote: People forget that even mantaining a godly 75% winrate ultimately means losing one match out of four. Yup, that is why everyone in BW is over rated except Jangbi. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18308 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 21 2012 01:01 kyllinghest wrote: I agree with this, and I feel that both terran and protoss have the tools to dismantle the zerg before they get that critical mass. The problem with pvz compared to tvz, in my opinion, is that while terran can chip away at the zerg constantly, and slowly wear them down, protoss kinda has to do their "thing" in one swoop. I am not sure if this is a problem with the game, or a problem with the gamers. I suspect its a mix of the two. I am pretty sure progamers play the way that gives them the highest chance of winning. Which usually means they will use the unit comps that are most 'powerful' and which they are the most comfortable with. Even strategies like all-ins are included in this in that the player feels he has a good chance of catching their opponent off guard. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On September 20 2012 23:56 red4ce wrote: Seed is the jjakji of protoss. He got his 1 GSL but the future belongs to Creator, Squirtle, Hero and whichever Kespa protoss emerge from the pack. Are you serious? And you still don't know which Kespa toss has emerged from the pack? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16032 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:35 TheBB wrote: That would be nice. We've had every other matchup but this one. LosirA vs Nestea Been there done that. | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
On September 21 2012 01:27 MCDayC wrote: Are you serious? And you still don't know which Kespa toss has emerged from the pack? It all depends on will he stay in. Streaks don't make good players. Consistency does. Also, ye, Ro8 with 4 zergs in looks quite possible. I do hope TaeJa will take it this season(hell, the guy deserves it), but most likely it will be a PvZ. | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2165 Posts
But if Zerg gets Broodlords out while still having a decent economy, and does not screw up entirely by letting them get caught by a vortex, it's over. The game cannot be won by Protoss at this point, because everything on the ground melts and Protoss air units are shit in an actual engagement. I really hope HotS is gonna change this matchup because it's just stupid atm. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18308 Posts
On September 21 2012 02:17 DidYuhim wrote: It all depends on will he stay in. Streaks don't make good players. Consistency does. Also, ye, Ro8 with 4 zergs in looks quite possible. I do hope TaeJa will take it this season(hell, the guy deserves it), but most likely it will be a PvZ. Rain is already in Ro8 | ||
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Wudu
Austria127 Posts
On September 20 2012 20:58 Wudu wrote: Seed won last season, the rule says that he must fall to code A And the curse strikes again hrrrr | ||
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geekoid32
United States51 Posts
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Darkthorn
Romania912 Posts
On September 21 2012 02:27 geekoid32 wrote: Just saw the recent matches and there was excellent late-game play by both Seed and Symbol. With regard to the Final Match, Set 2, I think Tasteless was right in saying that Seed should not have engaged into the wall of Infested Terrans. While the outcome may not have been all too different and the Infestor energy will simply regenerate, it's better to stall rather than needlessly lose units. Also, the bank for Symbol was considerably less while Seed could have put out more units and prepare for the next engagement. he was out of gas he had a huge mineral bank tho | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
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JackReacher
United States197 Posts
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UnholyRai
720 Posts
On September 21 2012 02:21 SharkStarcraft wrote: Ca we all agree that PvZ is an absolutely retarded matchup? Protoss has a lead in the early/midgame with their insanely strong timings, for example the immortal all in, which often cannot be stopped even upon scouting them. But if Zerg gets Broodlords out while still having a decent economy, and does not screw up entirely by letting them get caught by a vortex, it's over. The game cannot be won by Protoss at this point, because everything on the ground melts and Protoss air units are shit in an actual engagement. I really hope HotS is gonna change this matchup because it's just stupid atm. yeah, i can agree with this. SharkStarcraft for president | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
On September 21 2012 02:21 SharkStarcraft wrote: Ca we all agree that PvZ is an absolutely retarded matchup? Protoss has a lead in the early/midgame with their insanely strong timings, for example the immortal all in, which often cannot be stopped even upon scouting them. But if Zerg gets Broodlords out while still having a decent economy, and does not screw up entirely by letting them get caught by a vortex, it's over. The game cannot be won by Protoss at this point, because everything on the ground melts and Protoss air units are shit in an actual engagement. I really hope HotS is gonna change this matchup because it's just stupid atm. Agreed. It's not even an argument about balance, just the game design of zergs being able to keep building crawlers for an impenetrable late-game defense, and the synergy between infestors + brood lords and the ability to spam corruptors reactively vs carrier compositions. Only if the protoss can hide the carriers for long enough and hit a timing when the zerg has over-made brood lords and doesn't have enough infestor energy+spines to hold the counter then the protoss can win the game. Otherwise it all comes down to a lucky vortex. Just a very frustrating and stale lategame if you ask me. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 21 2012 01:27 MCDayC wrote: Are you serious? And you still don't know which Kespa toss has emerged from the pack? He probably thinks Rain is TSL/Fnatic Rain. | ||
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aznball123
2759 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 21 2012 03:36 iKill[ShocK] wrote: the only champion left is mvp? wow The true champ~ | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On September 21 2012 00:35 Bam Lee wrote: Yeah pretty hard to figure him out i guess. He mixes up his play a lot. Also his micro is pretty good That is the thing that I like about him, he doesn't really have a 'style' - effortlessly switches between outright cheese to macro. He's fun to watch, no doubt. | ||
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