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On September 19 2012 20:29 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:24 snailz wrote:On September 19 2012 20:19 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:18 immanentblue wrote:On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote:
wow .. championship material right there in rain It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1 Well, actually, if you think about it, all the most successfull korean sc2 players, were bw b-teamers... Seeing that jaedong was thrown back in code A, it seems like there is a strange transition of skill from the two games that only aply for b teamers... I smell conspiracy ;p Not a conspiracy, A teamers have so much baggage and established play styles from BW it's hard to let go. that actually makes some sense... anyhow, what's the verdict, was Rain "a-teamer" in broodwar, or up and coming player? he seems to be doing so well, i would imagine he started with sc2 a lot earlier, while the more known players were in contention for remaining championships? He was a freaking A-teamer.
still not as good as stephano, right?
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On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe.
Exactly this.
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On September 19 2012 20:29 WArped wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:28 Akhee wrote:
so many butthurt people
cry, cry, its delicious This thread was going so well until Sun did a 4g.
Highly ironic, considered bitbybit was immortalized here.
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What is lost in this op/not op discussion is that 4gate was an easy build order win. The only thing that mattered was that rain denied 1 scv scout... so hard.
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On September 19 2012 20:29 Addict wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:27 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2012 20:26 Addict wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Nocteo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... This, the terran just needs to guess w/e the toss do and make a coinflip. Yeah, too bad scouting is so hard when you have an orbital... Lol, you're saying Terran is supposed to scan at 4'30 when going CC first? I'm saying Terran shouldnt be so greedy when he has no clue what's going on.. He had 2 (!) mariners
That's what I said myself, but don't talk about early scans to scout, it shows you have little clue about Terran economy.
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On September 19 2012 20:29 WArped wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:28 Akhee wrote:
so many butthurt people
cry, cry, its delicious This thread was going so well until Sun did a 4g.
This thread was going so well until Sun did a 4g and won with it.
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Are you suprised, really? Doesn't suprise me at all.
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On September 19 2012 20:30 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:29 bgx wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 snailz wrote:On September 19 2012 20:19 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:18 immanentblue wrote:On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote:
wow .. championship material right there in rain It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1 Well, actually, if you think about it, all the most successfull korean sc2 players, were bw b-teamers... Seeing that jaedong was thrown back in code A, it seems like there is a strange transition of skill from the two games that only aply for b teamers... I smell conspiracy ;p Not a conspiracy, A teamers have so much baggage and established play styles from BW it's hard to let go. that actually makes some sense... anyhow, what's the verdict, was Rain "a-teamer" in broodwar, or up and coming player? he seems to be doing so well, i would imagine he started with sc2 a lot earlier, while the more known players were in contention for remaining championships? He was a freaking A-teamer. still not as good as stephano, right?
Lol opte, playing with fire here :p
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On September 19 2012 20:26 An2quamaraN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit Don't try to reason with crying terrans
-_-. I'm not a Terran. Warp-in is just the most stupid thing in this game because it negates map size, how can you even disagree with that?
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On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this.
Wait what you mean the races are designed differently?
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On September 19 2012 20:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 19 2012 20:27 Shellshock1122 wrote: Polt vs  Rain Winners' Match game 2 Map: Antiga Shipyard 0:00 Polt spawns in the top right Rain spawns in the bottom left 1:30 rax first for Polt gateway first for Rain 3:15 CC on the low ground at the natural for Polt 4:45 Nexus from Rain 2 more rax from Polt
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2 more gates from Rain
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robo from Rain
stim started for Polt
2nd bunker from Polt
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factory for polt
twilight council for Rain
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On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this.
You can't balance warp tech around big maps. Blizzard never envisioned maps bigger then steeps of war. So this is the problem we run into today.
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On September 19 2012 20:26 Crashburn wrote:
Terran does a one-base build, pulls SCVs, TL goes "zomg so smart amazing build gg"
Protoss does a one-base build, TL goes "omg cheesy noob BS imba"
I'd like to know where you did see TL going "zomg so smart amazing build gg" after a terran pulled SCVs xD
(well except MVP in game 7 of GSL finals)
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On September 19 2012 20:29 Pyre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:28 gTank wrote:On September 19 2012 20:26 Crashburn wrote:
Terran does a one-base build, pulls SCVs, TL goes "zomg so smart amazing build gg"
Protoss does a one-base build, TL goes "omg cheesy noob BS imba" It's rather the opposite, just look at some LR when Heart played. Doublestandard TL strikes again. People come out of the woodwork and complain on every all-in. Especially when its fan favorite players.
That's right, I believe ppl would cry over Rain doing all-ins against someone like Naniwa even more.
On a side note, I start to lose my faith in my Terran heroes ...
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i think it's right to say that fionn's curse have struck code S... probably the complete opposite of fionn's predictions will come true. Rain + Polt to go through.
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On September 19 2012 20:27 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:26 Addict wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Nocteo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... This, the terran just needs to guess w/e the toss do and make a coinflip. Yeah, too bad scouting is so hard when you have an orbital... Lol, you're saying Terran is supposed to scan at 4'30 when going CC first?
If you don't know what your opponent is doing and you are playing greed, yes. Isn't that obvious?
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On September 19 2012 20:28 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:26 oneofthem wrote:
some kid inventing this new concept 'relative' b-teamer and fails to defend it, all teh while asking people to conform to his concept. very nie ... Alright. Thanks for the name calling :/ Like I already said, Proleague was Bo7 with Ace (before that it was bloody Bo5), never being sent out in the first year, being on SKT1 with FBB, never making it past qualifiers, yea, he was a B-teamer.
That's not what a b-teamer is. b-teamers don't play. In the 10-11 season, Sun was sent out 33 times. This argument is stupid.
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On September 19 2012 20:29 Addict wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:27 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2012 20:26 Addict wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Nocteo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... This, the terran just needs to guess w/e the toss do and make a coinflip. Yeah, too bad scouting is so hard when you have an orbital... Lol, you're saying Terran is supposed to scan at 4'30 when going CC first? I'm saying Terran shouldnt be so greedy when he has no clue what's going on.. He had 2 (!) mariners
This is a pro game among the elite of the elite. You cant play standard on this map and hope the protoss doesnt do something super greedy. The reason being that the map is so big that terran cant punish tos for being greedy, so polt pretty much has to take the chance. Anyways, im quite sure that polt would have lost on that map anyways. Or atleast thats what i tell my self 
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On September 19 2012 20:29 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:28 munchmunch wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:21 zerious wrote:On September 19 2012 20:14 FakeDeath wrote:On September 19 2012 20:13 ffrozenfish wrote:On September 19 2012 20:10 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote:
wow .. championship material right there in rain It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1 How many BW a-teamers are performing well actually? Flash and MVP? pretty sure Sun is not a b-teamer on SKT1 Sun was a B-teamer in SKT. This is a fact. But this isn't the case anymore. Look at his BW record last year and this year. You have a SKT1 logo, you do realize that you are talking about being a relative B teamer in the past on SKT1 right? When proleague is a Bo7 with ace match and you have Fantasy Bisu Best? By.Sun's never made it past preliminaries in individual leagues in the past. This is just semantics, but B teamer doesn't usually mean "not S class". Somebody who played regularly in proleague wasn't a B teamer. Now you could argue that Sun wasn't quite an A teamer yet, but he was clearly on the path. Sigh can you read the word "was" as in past tense?
What point are you trying to make? Sun is a few years removed from his b-team past so I don't know why it is discussed.
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On September 19 2012 20:32 gTank wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:29 Pyre wrote:On September 19 2012 20:28 gTank wrote:On September 19 2012 20:26 Crashburn wrote:
Terran does a one-base build, pulls SCVs, TL goes "zomg so smart amazing build gg"
Protoss does a one-base build, TL goes "omg cheesy noob BS imba" It's rather the opposite, just look at some LR when Heart played. Doublestandard TL strikes again. People come out of the woodwork and complain on every all-in. Especially when its fan favorite players. That's right, I believe ppl would cry over Rain doing all-ins against someone like Naniwa even more. On a side note, I start to lose my faith in my Terran heroes ...
Don't worry, Flash is coming.
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