On September 19 2012 20:33 Walitgon wrote:
I suppose Nydus is OP then.
Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate.
I suppose Nydus is OP then.
Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate.
Yep the trade off for warpgate is shitty units.
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Sp00ly
United Kingdom1546 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:33 Walitgon wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2012 20:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote: On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote: On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote: On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote: On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote: On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote: On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote: Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this. Wait what you mean the races are designed differently? Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO. I suppose Nydus is OP then. Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate. Yep the trade off for warpgate is shitty units. | ||
BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:33 Walitgon wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2012 20:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote: On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote: On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote: On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote: On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote: On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote: On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote: Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this. Wait what you mean the races are designed differently? Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO. I suppose Nydus is OP then. Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate. Nydus has significant downsides which I can list if you like. What are the downsides to warpgate? Because I've never seen a Toss not get them. | ||
Walitgon
Australia550 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:33 snailz wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2012 20:28 ElephantBaby wrote: On September 19 2012 20:22 Caihead wrote: On September 19 2012 20:20 ElephantBaby wrote: On September 19 2012 20:14 FakeDeath wrote: On September 19 2012 20:13 ffrozenfish wrote: On September 19 2012 20:10 Ysellian wrote: On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote: On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote: wow .. championship material right there in rain It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1 How many BW a-teamers are performing well actually? Flash and MVP? pretty sure Sun is not a b-teamer on SKT1 Sun was a B-teamer in SKT. This is a fact. But this isn't the case anymore. Do you even know what a B-teamer is? Idra is a B-teamer, Nony is a B-teamer, and tons of other Koreans, they nearly never play official games except GOMTV classic tournament. By.Sun has a 31-31 50% record in BW, it is very good, this record will always be a main force in any proleague teams. Top 3 in some team is not an exaggeration. On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote: It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1 The word relative doesn't make it correct. There is no relativity in this. For Proleague teams they actually have B-team before, separate training. So it is a black and white difference, he is on A-team, so he is an A-teamer. And I just noticed I was replying somebody else's comment, not yours. i was always under the impression that the term "A-teamer "was reserved for the best, often played faces of the team, like 5-6 player.. hence, why so many broodwar fans never allowed sc2 fans to call todays IM.MVP as an A-teamer in broodwar. so are you twisting it for your agenda now, or what's going on? because by those standards, even MC was an A-teamer, or what? MC played like 6 games iirc and above it was just mentioned Rain played 33. I think there is a difference there. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2012 20:32 Shellshock1122 wrote: On September 19 2012 20:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: On September 19 2012 20:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: On September 19 2012 20:27 Shellshock1122 wrote: ![]() ![]() Winners' Match game 2 Map: Antiga Shipyard 0:00 ![]() ![]() 1:30 rax first for Polt gateway first for Rain 3:15 CC on the low ground at the natural for Polt 4:45 Nexus from Rain 2 more rax from Polt 5:30 2 more gates from Rain 6:15 robo from Rain stim started for Polt 2nd bunker from Polt 7:00 factory for polt twilight council for Rain 8:00 forge for Rain ebay finishes for polt starport for polt observer sees Polt pushing across the map with MM force immortal started +1 started for Polt 9:00 blink and +1 armor for Rain 3 more gateways for Rain medivac production started for Polt 10:00 3rd CC from Polt Polt breaks down the rocks to Rain's future 3rd conc shells and combat shields started templar archives for Rain 10:45 +1 attack and charge started for Rain stalkers pick of a medivac for free. siiicckkkk city another blink kills the 2nd medviac and polt has to back off 11:45 storm started for Rain +1 armor started for polt combat shields finishes Polt's 3rd orbital is complete | ||
TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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gTank
Austria2542 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:32 Fragile51 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2012 20:32 gTank wrote: On September 19 2012 20:29 Pyre wrote: On September 19 2012 20:28 gTank wrote: On September 19 2012 20:26 Crashburn wrote: Terran does a one-base build, pulls SCVs, TL goes "zomg so smart amazing build gg" Protoss does a one-base build, TL goes "omg cheesy noob BS imba" It's rather the opposite, just look at some LR when Heart played. Doublestandard TL strikes again. People come out of the woodwork and complain on every all-in. Especially when its fan favorite players. That's right, I believe ppl would cry over Rain doing all-ins against someone like Naniwa even more. On a side note, I start to lose my faith in my Terran heroes ... Don't worry, Flash is coming. I so hope he starts to kick ass like he used to do in BW but I don't see that comming for at least some months :/ I should stop cheering for Terrans since everytime I do, they fail. Never have that in PvP, ZvZ or PvZ though. | ||
KiNGxXx
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:32 MrCon wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2012 20:26 Crashburn wrote: Terran does a one-base build, pulls SCVs, TL goes "zomg so smart amazing build gg" Protoss does a one-base build, TL goes "omg cheesy noob BS imba" I'd like to know where you did see TL going "zomg so smart amazing build gg" after a terran pulled SCVs xD (well except MVP in game 7 of GSL finals) I'd like to see scv pull working on a huge map such as whirlwind, that map is retarded.Virtually any rush could've been scouted in time by Rain, the same did not apply for Polt. | ||
mage36
415 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:28 Caihead wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2012 20:26 oneofthem wrote: some kid inventing this new concept 'relative' b-teamer and fails to defend it, all teh while asking people to conform to his concept. very nie ... Alright. Thanks for the name calling :/ Like I already said, Proleague was Bo7 with Ace (before that it was bloody Bo5), never being sent out in the first year, being on SKT1 with FBB, never making it past qualifiers, yea, he was a B-teamer. wasn't he the rookie of the year last year? | ||
Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:32 setzer wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2012 20:29 Caihead wrote: On September 19 2012 20:28 munchmunch wrote: On September 19 2012 20:24 Caihead wrote: This is just semantics, but B teamer doesn't usually mean "not S class". Somebody who played regularly in proleague wasn't a B teamer. Now you could argue that Sun wasn't quite an A teamer yet, but he was clearly on the path. On September 19 2012 20:21 zerious wrote: On September 19 2012 20:14 FakeDeath wrote: On September 19 2012 20:13 ffrozenfish wrote: On September 19 2012 20:10 Ysellian wrote: On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote: On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote: wow .. championship material right there in rain It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1 How many BW a-teamers are performing well actually? Flash and MVP? pretty sure Sun is not a b-teamer on SKT1 Sun was a B-teamer in SKT. This is a fact. But this isn't the case anymore. Look at his BW record last year and this year. You have a SKT1 logo, you do realize that you are talking about being a relative B teamer in the past on SKT1 right? When proleague is a Bo7 with ace match and you have Fantasy Bisu Best? By.Sun's never made it past preliminaries in individual leagues in the past. Sigh can you read the word "was" as in past tense? What point are you trying to make? Sun is a few years removed from his b-team past so I don't know why it is discussed. Fine I'm wrong never bloody mind. Doesn't apply to SC2 any ways since every Kespa player is new. Was just trying to make a point about A-teamers having problems transitioning to SC2 because of them having such established play styles and baggage where as Rookies and B-teamers and people who have fallen out of the A team have easier time adjusting. | ||
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time didn't stop when sc2 released btw. most of the guys who left were not even fit to be on the b team. had no chance to rise to the big leagues. | ||
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