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Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1481
On September 19 2012 20:33 Walitgon wrote:
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On September 19 2012 20:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit...


Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO.

If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished....

THAT would be bullshit



The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe.


Exactly this.


Wait what you mean the races are designed differently?


Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO.


I suppose Nydus is OP then.

Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate.


Yep the trade off for warpgate is shitty units.
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1482
On September 19 2012 20:33 Walitgon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit...


Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO.

If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished....

THAT would be bullshit



The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe.


Exactly this.


Wait what you mean the races are designed differently?


Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO.


I suppose Nydus is OP then.

Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate.


Nydus has significant downsides which I can list if you like. What are the downsides to warpgate? Because I've never seen a Toss not get them.
Walitgon
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia550 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1483
HOLY FUCKING SHIT RAIN IS GOOD
BRB laddering ^_^ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1484
That's one lucky Marine.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1485
On September 19 2012 20:33 snailz wrote:
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On September 19 2012 20:28 ElephantBaby wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:22 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:20 ElephantBaby wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:14 FakeDeath wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:13 ffrozenfish wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:10 Ysellian wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote:
wow .. championship material right there in rain


It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1


How many BW a-teamers are performing well actually? Flash and MVP?

pretty sure Sun is not a b-teamer on SKT1


Sun was a B-teamer in SKT.
This is a fact.

But this isn't the case anymore.


Do you even know what a B-teamer is? Idra is a B-teamer, Nony is a B-teamer, and tons of other Koreans, they nearly never play official games except GOMTV classic tournament.

By.Sun has a 31-31 50% record in BW, it is very good, this record will always be a main force in any proleague teams. Top 3 in some team is not an exaggeration.


On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:
It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1


The word relative doesn't make it correct. There is no relativity in this. For Proleague teams they actually have B-team before, separate training. So it is a black and white difference, he is on A-team, so he is an A-teamer.

And I just noticed I was replying somebody else's comment, not yours.


i was always under the impression that the term "A-teamer "was reserved for the best, often played faces of the team, like 5-6 player.. hence, why so many broodwar fans never allowed sc2 fans to call todays IM.MVP as an A-teamer in broodwar.

so are you twisting it for your agenda now, or what's going on? because by those standards, even MC was an A-teamer, or what?


MC played like 6 games iirc and above it was just mentioned Rain played 33. I think there is a difference there.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1486
On September 19 2012 20:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On September 19 2012 20:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:27 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Polt vs Rain
Winners' Match game 2
Map: Antiga Shipyard

0:00
Polt spawns in the top right
Rain spawns in the bottom left

1:30
rax first for Polt
gateway first for Rain

3:15
CC on the low ground at the natural for Polt

4:45
Nexus from Rain
2 more rax from Polt

5:30
2 more gates from Rain

6:15
robo from Rain
stim started for Polt
2nd bunker from Polt

7:00
factory for polt
twilight council for Rain

8:00
forge for Rain
ebay finishes for polt
starport for polt
observer sees Polt pushing across the map with MM force
immortal started
+1 started for Polt

9:00
blink and +1 armor for Rain
3 more gateways for Rain
medivac production started for Polt

10:00
3rd CC from Polt
Polt breaks down the rocks to Rain's future 3rd
conc shells and combat shields started
templar archives for Rain

10:45
+1 attack and charge started for Rain
stalkers pick of a medivac for free. siiicckkkk city
another blink kills the 2nd medviac and polt has to back off

11:45
storm started for Rain
+1 armor started for polt
combat shields finishes
Polt's 3rd orbital is complete
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1487
Templar tech again.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2584 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 11:35:39
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1488
On September 19 2012 20:32 Fragile51 wrote:
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On September 19 2012 20:32 gTank wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:29 Pyre wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:28 gTank wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:26 Crashburn wrote:
Terran does a one-base build, pulls SCVs, TL goes "zomg so smart amazing build gg"

Protoss does a one-base build, TL goes "omg cheesy noob BS imba"



It's rather the opposite, just look at some LR when Heart played.
Doublestandard TL strikes again.


People come out of the woodwork and complain on every all-in. Especially when its fan favorite players.


That's right, I believe ppl would cry over Rain doing all-ins against someone like Naniwa even more.

On a side note, I start to lose my faith in my Terran heroes ...


Don't worry, Flash is coming.



I so hope he starts to kick ass like he used to do in BW but I don't see that comming for at least some months :/
I should stop cheering for Terrans since everytime I do, they fail. Never have that in PvP, ZvZ or PvZ though.
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1489
DAT USAIN BOLT MARINE!
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1490
On September 19 2012 20:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:26 Crashburn wrote:
Terran does a one-base build, pulls SCVs, TL goes "zomg so smart amazing build gg"

Protoss does a one-base build, TL goes "omg cheesy noob BS imba"

I'd like to know where you did see TL going "zomg so smart amazing build gg" after a terran pulled SCVs xD
(well except MVP in game 7 of GSL finals)

I'd like to see scv pull working on a huge map such as whirlwind, that map is retarded.Virtually any rush could've been scouted in time by Rain, the same did not apply for Polt.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
mage36
Profile Joined May 2011
415 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1491
On September 19 2012 20:28 Caihead wrote:
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On September 19 2012 20:26 oneofthem wrote:
some kid inventing this new concept 'relative' b-teamer and fails to defend it, all teh while asking people to conform to his concept. very nie


... Alright. Thanks for the name calling :/ Like I already said, Proleague was Bo7 with Ace (before that it was bloody Bo5), never being sent out in the first year, being on SKT1 with FBB, never making it past qualifiers, yea, he was a B-teamer.

wasn't he the rookie of the year last year?
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 11:36:17
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1492
On September 19 2012 20:32 setzer wrote:
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On September 19 2012 20:29 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:28 munchmunch wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:24 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:21 zerious wrote:

On September 19 2012 20:14 FakeDeath wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:13 ffrozenfish wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:10 Ysellian wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote:
wow .. championship material right there in rain


It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1


How many BW a-teamers are performing well actually? Flash and MVP?

pretty sure Sun is not a b-teamer on SKT1


Sun was a B-teamer in SKT.
This is a fact.

But this isn't the case anymore.


Look at his BW record last year and this year.


You have a SKT1 logo, you do realize that you are talking about being a relative B teamer in the past on SKT1 right? When proleague is a Bo7 with ace match and you have Fantasy Bisu Best? By.Sun's never made it past preliminaries in individual leagues in the past.
This is just semantics, but B teamer doesn't usually mean "not S class". Somebody who played regularly in proleague wasn't a B teamer. Now you could argue that Sun wasn't quite an A teamer yet, but he was clearly on the path.


Sigh can you read the word "was" as in past tense?


What point are you trying to make? Sun is a few years removed from his b-team past so I don't know why it is discussed.


Fine I'm wrong never bloody mind. Doesn't apply to SC2 any ways since every Kespa player is new. Was just trying to make a point about A-teamers having problems transitioning to SC2 because of them having such established play styles and baggage where as Rookies and B-teamers and people who have fallen out of the A team have easier time adjusting.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33457 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1493
such long two base play from Rain, but I guess he didn't need a BO adv to beat taeja in game one
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1494
calling sun a relative b teamer just because at some point he was on the b team is pretty retarded. it renders the term useless.

time didn't stop when sc2 released btw. most of the guys who left were not even fit to be on the b team. had no chance to rise to the big leagues.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1495
<3 Tasteless with his marine stories
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1496
Prism again.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1497
Just barely dodging that Obs.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1498
sun 2-0'ing taeja, didnt see that coming
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1499
Oh god again with the storm drops.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1500
This guy is really impressive
Mmm, what to watch.
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