• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 20:47
CET 02:47
KST 10:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage8Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23
StarCraft 2
General
Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? Liquibets sc2 season 30 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 iNu's Battles #22 SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement!
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery [BW] Looking for Clan Thread! [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9755 users

[Code S] RO16 Group A 2012 GSL Season 4 - Page 75

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 73 74 75 76 77 140 Next
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1481
On September 19 2012 20:33 Walitgon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit...


Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO.

If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished....

THAT would be bullshit



The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe.


Exactly this.


Wait what you mean the races are designed differently?


Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO.


I suppose Nydus is OP then.

Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate.


Yep the trade off for warpgate is shitty units.
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1482
On September 19 2012 20:33 Walitgon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit...


Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO.

If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished....

THAT would be bullshit



The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe.


Exactly this.


Wait what you mean the races are designed differently?


Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO.


I suppose Nydus is OP then.

Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate.


Nydus has significant downsides which I can list if you like. What are the downsides to warpgate? Because I've never seen a Toss not get them.
Walitgon
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia550 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1483
HOLY FUCKING SHIT RAIN IS GOOD
BRB laddering ^_^ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1484
That's one lucky Marine.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1485
On September 19 2012 20:33 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:28 ElephantBaby wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:22 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:20 ElephantBaby wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:14 FakeDeath wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:13 ffrozenfish wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:10 Ysellian wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote:
wow .. championship material right there in rain


It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1


How many BW a-teamers are performing well actually? Flash and MVP?

pretty sure Sun is not a b-teamer on SKT1


Sun was a B-teamer in SKT.
This is a fact.

But this isn't the case anymore.


Do you even know what a B-teamer is? Idra is a B-teamer, Nony is a B-teamer, and tons of other Koreans, they nearly never play official games except GOMTV classic tournament.

By.Sun has a 31-31 50% record in BW, it is very good, this record will always be a main force in any proleague teams. Top 3 in some team is not an exaggeration.


On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:
It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1


The word relative doesn't make it correct. There is no relativity in this. For Proleague teams they actually have B-team before, separate training. So it is a black and white difference, he is on A-team, so he is an A-teamer.

And I just noticed I was replying somebody else's comment, not yours.


i was always under the impression that the term "A-teamer "was reserved for the best, often played faces of the team, like 5-6 player.. hence, why so many broodwar fans never allowed sc2 fans to call todays IM.MVP as an A-teamer in broodwar.

so are you twisting it for your agenda now, or what's going on? because by those standards, even MC was an A-teamer, or what?


MC played like 6 games iirc and above it was just mentioned Rain played 33. I think there is a difference there.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1486
On September 19 2012 20:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:27 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Polt vs Rain
Winners' Match game 2
Map: Antiga Shipyard

0:00
Polt spawns in the top right
Rain spawns in the bottom left

1:30
rax first for Polt
gateway first for Rain

3:15
CC on the low ground at the natural for Polt

4:45
Nexus from Rain
2 more rax from Polt

5:30
2 more gates from Rain

6:15
robo from Rain
stim started for Polt
2nd bunker from Polt

7:00
factory for polt
twilight council for Rain

8:00
forge for Rain
ebay finishes for polt
starport for polt
observer sees Polt pushing across the map with MM force
immortal started
+1 started for Polt

9:00
blink and +1 armor for Rain
3 more gateways for Rain
medivac production started for Polt

10:00
3rd CC from Polt
Polt breaks down the rocks to Rain's future 3rd
conc shells and combat shields started
templar archives for Rain

10:45
+1 attack and charge started for Rain
stalkers pick of a medivac for free. siiicckkkk city
another blink kills the 2nd medviac and polt has to back off

11:45
storm started for Rain
+1 armor started for polt
combat shields finishes
Polt's 3rd orbital is complete
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1487
Templar tech again.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2671 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 11:35:39
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1488
On September 19 2012 20:32 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:32 gTank wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:29 Pyre wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:28 gTank wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:26 Crashburn wrote:
Terran does a one-base build, pulls SCVs, TL goes "zomg so smart amazing build gg"

Protoss does a one-base build, TL goes "omg cheesy noob BS imba"



It's rather the opposite, just look at some LR when Heart played.
Doublestandard TL strikes again.


People come out of the woodwork and complain on every all-in. Especially when its fan favorite players.


That's right, I believe ppl would cry over Rain doing all-ins against someone like Naniwa even more.

On a side note, I start to lose my faith in my Terran heroes ...


Don't worry, Flash is coming.



I so hope he starts to kick ass like he used to do in BW but I don't see that comming for at least some months :/
I should stop cheering for Terrans since everytime I do, they fail. Never have that in PvP, ZvZ or PvZ though.
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1489
DAT USAIN BOLT MARINE!
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1490
On September 19 2012 20:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:26 Crashburn wrote:
Terran does a one-base build, pulls SCVs, TL goes "zomg so smart amazing build gg"

Protoss does a one-base build, TL goes "omg cheesy noob BS imba"

I'd like to know where you did see TL going "zomg so smart amazing build gg" after a terran pulled SCVs xD
(well except MVP in game 7 of GSL finals)

I'd like to see scv pull working on a huge map such as whirlwind, that map is retarded.Virtually any rush could've been scouted in time by Rain, the same did not apply for Polt.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
mage36
Profile Joined May 2011
415 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1491
On September 19 2012 20:28 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:26 oneofthem wrote:
some kid inventing this new concept 'relative' b-teamer and fails to defend it, all teh while asking people to conform to his concept. very nie


... Alright. Thanks for the name calling :/ Like I already said, Proleague was Bo7 with Ace (before that it was bloody Bo5), never being sent out in the first year, being on SKT1 with FBB, never making it past qualifiers, yea, he was a B-teamer.

wasn't he the rookie of the year last year?
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 11:36:17
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1492
On September 19 2012 20:32 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 20:29 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:28 munchmunch wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:24 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:21 zerious wrote:

On September 19 2012 20:14 FakeDeath wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:13 ffrozenfish wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:10 Ysellian wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:
On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote:
wow .. championship material right there in rain


It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1


How many BW a-teamers are performing well actually? Flash and MVP?

pretty sure Sun is not a b-teamer on SKT1


Sun was a B-teamer in SKT.
This is a fact.

But this isn't the case anymore.


Look at his BW record last year and this year.


You have a SKT1 logo, you do realize that you are talking about being a relative B teamer in the past on SKT1 right? When proleague is a Bo7 with ace match and you have Fantasy Bisu Best? By.Sun's never made it past preliminaries in individual leagues in the past.
This is just semantics, but B teamer doesn't usually mean "not S class". Somebody who played regularly in proleague wasn't a B teamer. Now you could argue that Sun wasn't quite an A teamer yet, but he was clearly on the path.


Sigh can you read the word "was" as in past tense?


What point are you trying to make? Sun is a few years removed from his b-team past so I don't know why it is discussed.


Fine I'm wrong never bloody mind. Doesn't apply to SC2 any ways since every Kespa player is new. Was just trying to make a point about A-teamers having problems transitioning to SC2 because of them having such established play styles and baggage where as Rookies and B-teamers and people who have fallen out of the A team have easier time adjusting.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33714 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1493
such long two base play from Rain, but I guess he didn't need a BO adv to beat taeja in game one
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 19 2012 11:35 GMT
#1494
calling sun a relative b teamer just because at some point he was on the b team is pretty retarded. it renders the term useless.

time didn't stop when sc2 released btw. most of the guys who left were not even fit to be on the b team. had no chance to rise to the big leagues.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1495
<3 Tasteless with his marine stories
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1496
Prism again.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1497
Just barely dodging that Obs.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1498
sun 2-0'ing taeja, didnt see that coming
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1499
Oh god again with the storm drops.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
September 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#1500
This guy is really impressive
Mmm, what to watch.
Prev 1 73 74 75 76 77 140 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
10:00
#107
PiGStarcraft495
davetesta32
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft495
RuFF_SC2 118
CosmosSc2 49
trigger 17
SpeCial 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35546
GuemChi 1778
Artosis 644
ProTech101
Dota 2
febbydoto21
League of Legends
Doublelift6144
Counter-Strike
taco 444
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox317
Mew2King12
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr57
Other Games
summit1g10029
shahzam627
C9.Mang0277
Maynarde98
NeuroSwarm59
ViBE42
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick891
BasetradeTV144
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 73
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Shiphtur153
Upcoming Events
INu's Battles
10h 13m
ByuN vs Classic
3D!Clan Event
14h 43m
The PondCast
1d 8h
KCM Race Survival
1d 8h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 10h
OSC
1d 21h
Ultimate Battle
2 days
OSC
2 days
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
IPSL
3 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
[ Show More ]
BSL
3 days
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
4 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-09
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.