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On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this. Wait what you mean the races are designed differently?
Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO.
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On September 19 2012 20:32 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:28 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:26 oneofthem wrote:
some kid inventing this new concept 'relative' b-teamer and fails to defend it, all teh while asking people to conform to his concept. very nie ... Alright. Thanks for the name calling :/ Like I already said, Proleague was Bo7 with Ace (before that it was bloody Bo5), never being sent out in the first year, being on SKT1 with FBB, never making it past qualifiers, yea, he was a B-teamer. That's not what a b-teamer is. b-teamers don't play. In the 10-11 season, Sun was sent out 33 times. This argument is stupid.
Nah man, all we need to know is if he washes the dishes
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Sun was not a B-teamer on SKT, at least not in the last Proleague season. He was sent out regularly, had a W:L record to justify being sent out, and won a crucial match for them in the finals.
He was also seen as a very promising 'rising talent' prior to this season as well, with good performances in minor leagues and such, in interviews he was mentioned multiple times as a very hard-working player and everyone expected him to have a bright future. He probably would have been a lot more prominent in BW also if SKT didn't have Bisu+BeSt already.
Absolutely no surprise in seeing him do as well as he does in SC2.
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United States33457 Posts
blink and immortals this time, I guess we'll see robotics support bay -__-?
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United States97276 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 19 2012 20:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 19 2012 20:27 Shellshock1122 wrote: Polt vs  Rain Winners' Match game 2 Map: Antiga Shipyard 0:00 Polt spawns in the top right Rain spawns in the bottom left 1:30 rax first for Polt gateway first for Rain 3:15 CC on the low ground at the natural for Polt 4:45 Nexus from Rain 2 more rax from Polt 5:30 2 more gates from Rain 6:15 robo from Rain stim started for Polt 2nd bunker from Polt 7:00 factory for polt twilight council for Rain
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forge for Rain
ebay finishes for polt
starport for polt
observer sees Polt pushing across the map with MM force
immortal started
+1 started for Polt
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blink and +1 armor for Rain
3 more gateways for Rain
medivac production started for Polt
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Russian Federation601 Posts
On September 19 2012 20:32 Pyre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this. You can't balance warp tech around big maps. Blizzard never envisioned maps bigger then steeps of war. So this is the problem we run into today.
You can. They can set max distance between warpgates and warping pylon
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On September 19 2012 20:28 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:22 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:20 ElephantBaby wrote:On September 19 2012 20:14 FakeDeath wrote:On September 19 2012 20:13 ffrozenfish wrote:On September 19 2012 20:10 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote:
wow .. championship material right there in rain It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1 How many BW a-teamers are performing well actually? Flash and MVP? pretty sure Sun is not a b-teamer on SKT1 Sun was a B-teamer in SKT. This is a fact. But this isn't the case anymore. Do you even know what a B-teamer is? Idra is a B-teamer, Nony is a B-teamer, and tons of other Koreans, they nearly never play official games except GOMTV classic tournament. By.Sun has a 31-31 50% record in BW, it is very good, this record will always be a main force in any proleague teams. Top 3 in some team is not an exaggeration. On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:
It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1 The word relative doesn't make it correct. There is no relativity in this. For Proleague teams they actually have B-team before, separate training. So it is a black and white difference, he is on A-team, so he is an A-teamer. And I just noticed I was replying somebody else's comment, not yours.
i was always under the impression that the term "A-teamer "was reserved for the best, often played faces of the team, like 5-6 player.. hence, why so many broodwar fans never allowed sc2 fans to call todays IM.MVP as an A-teamer in broodwar.
so are you twisting it for your agenda now, or what's going on? because by those standards, even MC was an A-teamer, or what?
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On September 19 2012 20:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote:On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this. Wait what you mean the races are designed differently? Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO.
I suppose Nydus is OP then.
Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate.
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On September 19 2012 20:29 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:28 munchmunch wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:21 zerious wrote:On September 19 2012 20:14 FakeDeath wrote:On September 19 2012 20:13 ffrozenfish wrote:On September 19 2012 20:10 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:09 Caihead wrote:On September 19 2012 20:07 Niflheim wrote:
wow .. championship material right there in rain It's funny because Sun was a relative B-teamer in BW on SKT1 How many BW a-teamers are performing well actually? Flash and MVP? pretty sure Sun is not a b-teamer on SKT1 Sun was a B-teamer in SKT. This is a fact. But this isn't the case anymore. Look at his BW record last year and this year. You have a SKT1 logo, you do realize that you are talking about being a relative B teamer in the past on SKT1 right? When proleague is a Bo7 with ace match and you have Fantasy Bisu Best? By.Sun's never made it past preliminaries in individual leagues in the past. This is just semantics, but B teamer doesn't usually mean "not S class". Somebody who played regularly in proleague wasn't a B teamer. Now you could argue that Sun wasn't quite an A teamer yet, but he was clearly on the path. Sigh can you read the word "was" as in past tense? Err.. well, I guess every (?) BW pro was on the B team at some point. But Sun was playing regularly in proleague before the switch to SC2. A team vs. B team isn't decided by individual leagues.
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On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this. Wait what you mean the races are designed differently?
I don't think it'd be as much an issue if Blizzard's idea of Terran isn't to have Terran have a weaker lategame. 
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artosis is talking about last time?!
does he think taeja is still playing?
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On September 19 2012 20:33 Walitgon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote:On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this. Wait what you mean the races are designed differently? Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO. I suppose Nydus is OP then. Everything has trade offs... Including warpgate.
Ah yes, Pylons cost gas and are tier2 tech, that's right.
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Please provide definition of 'elephant'?
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On September 19 2012 20:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:31 Walitgon wrote:On September 19 2012 20:30 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On September 19 2012 20:27 Yello wrote:On September 19 2012 20:25 Yagami wrote:On September 19 2012 20:24 Ysellian wrote:On September 19 2012 20:23 iAmiAnC wrote:
Biggest map ever, distance instantly gets negated by the magic of Warp Gate. Don't think I can watch this impending bullshit... Indeed this is the biggest bullshit in SC2 IMO. If you could go CC first and rush a factory with 2 marines without being punished.... THAT would be bullshit The problem is that Protoss allins don't get weaker with the distance while Terran allins get weaker. Protoss can go greedy on this map or play allin. Terran has to guess if you can go greedy or have to play safe. Exactly this. Wait what you mean the races are designed differently? Difference is fine. Difference meaning one race can ignore map size is not IMO.
Why in the hell are you people arguing game mechanics that have been known for the past 2 years? Polt played greedy, Rain expected him to play greedy and reacted accordingly. Nothing more to it.
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Rain looks so good, that BW multitasking.
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rain is foreshadowing everything polt does
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