[OSL] RO16 Day 2 - Page 108

On August 30 2012 00:34 Boonbag wrote:
all this kespa / esf things are sooner or later going to end with massive bans
its really getting old

On August 30 2012 00:34 Boonbag wrote:
all this kespa / esf things are sooner or later going to end with massive bans
its really getting old

On August 30 2012 00:18 ]343[ wrote:


typhoon bolaven delayed the flight.

On August 30 2012 00:36 letian wrote:

I don't think so, this only encourages competition. It shall all go away of course, when the skill gap will be covered. But still.

On August 30 2012 00:36 letian wrote:

I don't think so, this only encourages competition. It shall all go away of course, when the skill gap will be covered. But still.

On August 30 2012 00:14 ArvickHero wrote:
I think what irritates me the most in these "KeSPA vs eSF" debates is the argument that KeSPA players are lucky/undeserving because they didn't have to build the the metagame/strategies and they have the preparation advantage.

Well shit, if this was BW instead (yea yea I know, shut up) and it was the eSF players switching over, I guarantee they wouldn't be able to take off more than a single series from the top 30 KeSPA BW pros within the same time frame, same advantages and all. Not even the most talented B-teamers, who played years before becoming one, take at least a year to break into the A-team and start taking games off the more experienced pros. I could probably make the same case for a LoL team switching to DoTA 2, or vice versa.

Experience should count for something

On August 29 2012 23:37 monkybone wrote:
I just feel the need to rationalize this blow...

MKP had the game, he had an insane advantage due to excellent banshee control and macro behind it. Then, he felt the game was won, and actually killing his opponent was merely a formality. He tried to drop which got shut down badly due to miscontrol. He then got stuck to the though of macroing up and then attacking Rain up front, and after several bad engagements they got about even. After that, he got dropped, and I don't think he had the watch tower at that moment, so he didn't see the protoss army moving towards his 4th proceeding to kill all his ghosts. Overconfidence in his position lost MKP the game.

MvP figured Protoss would go standard with his scouting, but even with 2 sentries he didn't go nexus, he went robo. Really non-standard build, and it completely tricked mvp, who had gone fast 3 CC's. I feel like the Protoss could have killed MvP if he had followed up with 2-3 more gates rather than the nexus, but he decided just to pressure, and with the bunkers barely not going up he managed to get a good position down the ramp, allowing the warped in zealots to kill a substantial amount of scvs. Honestly, I think the Protoss build was risky, and if mvp had built the bunkers seconds earlier, mvp would have won that game easily. This was bad luck for mvp, and the game was basically lost after that.

On August 30 2012 01:23 -TesteR- wrote:


BW is completely different; if eSF players switched to bw, it would be the mechanics that held them back, not the metagame. Since mechanics are less of a deciding factor in sc2, Kespa players can do well by studying the already fleshed out metagame. Not saying they are lucky/undeserving, but it is true they are using 2 years worth of eSF players' knowledge and development to their advantage, not like they are starting from scratch.

On August 30 2012 01:23 -TesteR- wrote:


BW is completely different; if eSF players switched to bw, it would be the mechanics that held them back, not the metagame. Since mechanics are less of a deciding factor in sc2, Kespa players can do well by studying the already fleshed out metagame. Not saying they are lucky/undeserving, but it is true they are using 2 years worth of eSF players' knowledge and development to their advantage, not like they are starting from scratch.

On August 30 2012 01:23 -TesteR- wrote:


BW is completely different; if eSF players switched to bw, it would be the mechanics that held them back, not the metagame. Since mechanics are less of a deciding factor in sc2, Kespa players can do well by studying the already fleshed out metagame. Not saying they are lucky/undeserving, but it is true they are using 2 years worth of eSF players' knowledge and development to their advantage, not like they are starting from scratch.

On August 30 2012 00:18 -visnu- wrote:
bw > sc2, no surprises here guys

On August 30 2012 01:35 BackSideAttack wrote:


The thing is both games showcased just how good mechanically both kespa players are. Look at how rain had a permanent split of his hts, putting a few split up ones in different places of his 4th base, then individually moving in with them to storm and feedback while he sent back his army. It was the best ht control i have ever seen. Then he did small zealot harasses everywhere to force mkp to multitask and picked off a bunch of ghosts for it. Also if you looked at rain's army control, he always micro'ed his deathball to avoid viking fire and emps.

In the flying game, the biggest play was when mvp tried to drop in the main, which he did and then attack up the ramp towards the second and finally the third. Flying sent small waves of chargelots to delay, while his main force dealt with mvp's force going up the ramp. Then finally he split his collosus ball and sent half of it to deal with the 6 medivac ball in his main and half towards beating the large force of bio going for his third. He even had perfect ffs at the attack on the third. If you watch games of GSL protoss, they rarely split their collosus ball as well as flying did in that game.