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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
August 29 2012 14:44 GMT
#2101
On August 29 2012 23:43 SniXSniPe wrote:
Someone explain to me why this is a Bo1 instead of a Bo3?

This doesn't even last an hour sometimes, does it? 4 1v1 games is not a lot.


There are lots of answers to your question in this thread. Search and you shall find.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:46:56
August 29 2012 14:44 GMT
#2102
On August 29 2012 23:23 Talack wrote:
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On August 29 2012 22:59 insanet wrote:
Wow nice results. in the other hand, hilarious excuses for every ESF player, keep them coming guys, real classy.


What excuses are so funny?

You've got pages and pages of people commentating on how MKP looks like he's going to have a heart-attack whenever they pan to him and you could see his play reflecting his nerves-issue plain as day.

Nobody made excuses for MVP, he got himself into an bad position with his build and from there didn't have the right upgrades to compete with the protoss.

Nobody is giving a shit about the BW guys besides the BW fans who need to legitimize their game, the sc2 fans are excited to watch a new crop of players come in. You guys need to stop being douche bags cause it doesn't look good in the least bit.

Since BW players stepped in, the explanations and excuses for GSL losses started pouring like warm summer rain. Should I navigate you through the forum threads?
Elephant victories were of course unexpected, not welcome by SC2 community and there is nothing strange about it. It is a natural reaction. Try to bear with the fact that some of us, like me especially, are still hobbling along with an old bag of memories, which we are trying to give a second life.
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:48:19
August 29 2012 14:47 GMT
#2103
Wow never realized this is best of one good thing I didn't stay up to watch. I won't be watching this from now on holy crap what a waste of time.
sdecker32
Profile Joined April 2011
United States38 Posts
August 29 2012 14:49 GMT
#2104
On August 29 2012 23:39 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
Bo1 is the ultimate mind game... people are really stupid.


These guys practiced for a week or 2 for these matches... they learned every build the opponent does and their patterns. It's basically a counter vs. counter and players change stuff up mid game because they notice they're getting countered. Not to mention you have to play your heart out because you have no chance to come back, better player always wins in Bo1. Bo3 has more to do with who is lucky, who cheeses, etc.



This makes no sense. How is it posible for Bo3 be more about luck than Bo1? The more opportunities given means that everything will deviate to the mean, which means that the more games = the better player has a beter chance of winning. I am not saying that OSL shoudl change their format(its a tv show, you play 3 matches over the whole stage, the audience is used to Bo1, Bo1 makes each game a bit more exciting....) but don't tell me that Bo1 is a better way of determining the better player.
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:57:18
August 29 2012 14:49 GMT
#2105
On the last two days of OSL's game, I'm surprised by the level of play from the ESF players.
Nestea played poorly, MVP was below average, MKP chocked. Is it me having too high standards for these guys or what is happening to them? (also neither MC nor DRG were impressive, but it is mostly because their opponents were freewin)
Out of the Kespa guys, I was really impressed by Fantasy. He made some little mistakes but his play was really top class, even without knowing he switched this year to sc2. It is the first time I have this feeling with a Kespa player in sc2.
Flying was good without being really impressive. Baby and Flash were ok and Jangbi and Best made really big mistakes.

edit : I try my best not to be biased. I just having the feeling that the level of these game is not as high as the one in GSL. But I don't know why it would be the case so maybe I'm wrong.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:52:03
August 29 2012 14:51 GMT
#2106
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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
August 29 2012 14:51 GMT
#2107
For anyone interested, i just posted a blog on the odds of winning a Bo1 v Bo3. The numbers may surprise you.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 29 2012 14:52 GMT
#2108
The answer is pretty simple, it DOES NOT matter what makes a player do mistakes, if he keeps doing mistakes he will simply lose top position. And in this case if 'GSL players' won't stop making mistakes they will lose their position in Korea, so they should probably work on their mental side because its their job.
Stork[gm]
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
August 29 2012 14:53 GMT
#2109
On August 29 2012 23:43 SniXSniPe wrote:
Someone explain to me why this is a Bo1 instead of a Bo3?

This doesn't even last an hour sometimes, does it? 4 1v1 games is not a lot.

This is on TV. They want to put it on an ideal timeslot, not force people to dedicate the whole day in watching this unlike the other SC2 tourneys. It does last at least an hour I think, with the ads, interviews, replays and pre-game stuff. They've been doing that for quite some time now so they're used to

Imo Bo1 balances the amount of skill and preparation in a game. A well-prepared underdog has a chance against a more skilled player.

And come on guys, this is obviously 100% nerves.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Messi
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
August 29 2012 14:54 GMT
#2110
can someone suggest to Moletraop to not talk while other players are interviewwing? I wanna hear what they are interviewing, but when he keeps talking, it's hard to understand what other players are saying.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 29 2012 14:54 GMT
#2111
On August 29 2012 23:51 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 23:43 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 29 2012 23:37 monkybone wrote:
I just feel the need to rationalize this blow...

MKP had the game, he had an insane advantage due to excellent banshee control and macro behind it. Then, he felt the game was won, and actually killing his opponent was merely a formality. He tried to drop which got shut down badly due to miscontrol. He then got stuck to the though of attacking Rain up front, and after several bad engagements they got about even. After that, he got dropped, and I don't think he had the watch tower at that moment, so he didn't see the protoss army moving towards his 4th proceeding to kill all his ghosts. Overconfidence in his position lost MKP the game.

MvP figured Protoss would go standard with his scouting, but even with 2 sentries he didn't go nexus, he went robo. Really non-standard build, and it completely tricked mvp, who had gone fast 3 CC's. I feel like the Protoss could have killed MvP if he had followed up with 2-3 more gates rather than the nexus, but he decided just to pressure, and with the bunkers barely not going up he managed to get a good position down the ramp, allowing the warped in zealots to kill a substantial amount of scvs. Honestly, I think the Protoss build was risky, and if mvp had built the bunkers seconds earlier, mvp would have won that game easily. This was bad luck for mvp, and the game was basically lost after that.



Always hate this kind of "what if" analysis. They made mistakes because of opponents' decision and disguises.

And no need to rationalize, it is just one game. With the small skill gaps among top Koreans, anything can happen, especially when KeSPA players have much better preparation scheme than GSL guys.



Mvp got tricked, MKP didn't. MKP didn't lose to his opponent, he lost to his own nervousness. His mistakes were not forced at all. And yep, the Kespa players just seemed much better prepared this time, and with good reason.


A loss is a loss, own up to it, give opponents credits. Why did you got tricked, and why did you make mistakes, because opponent is better than you. Nothing else to it.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 29 2012 14:55 GMT
#2112
these broodwar pros are even less interesting than most korean sc2 pros, sadly. both in their play and in their personality. people acting like its a huge deal they started the game so late when it really isnt. they have 2+ years worth of replays and vods to study of all the best existing sc2 players while gsl players have almost nothing to go on when preparing for a bw player. put that into a bo1 format and you will get upsets, its not like these kespa guys cant 'keep up' in the mechanics department anyways, they just have en edge in preperation for a bo1.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 29 2012 14:56 GMT
#2113
also lol did anyone see jangbi get demolished? who misses ff anymore at the pro level? drg was laughing so hard after that victory.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:57:28
August 29 2012 14:57 GMT
#2114
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ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 29 2012 14:59 GMT
#2115
On August 29 2012 23:55 stratmatt wrote:
these broodwar pros are even less interesting than most korean sc2 pros, sadly. both in their play and in their personality. people acting like its a huge deal they started the game so late when it really isnt. they have 2+ years worth of replays and vods to study of all the best existing sc2 players while gsl players have almost nothing to go on when preparing for a bw player. put that into a bo1 format and you will get upsets, its not like these kespa guys cant 'keep up' in the mechanics department anyways, they just have en edge in preperation for a bo1.


True, and it will continue to be that way, prepare yourself for it.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 15:01:11
August 29 2012 14:59 GMT
#2116
I don't know why people always bring up "personality." I know I won't because I don't know the esf dudes, as much as you don't know about kespa players. Stop it with the "personality."


On August 29 2012 23:56 stratmatt wrote:
also lol did anyone see jangbi get demolished? who misses ff anymore at the pro level? drg was laughing so hard after that victory.

Maybe he choked? I mean, come on. That was 100% nerves.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
August 29 2012 15:01 GMT
#2117
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stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 29 2012 15:03 GMT
#2118
On August 29 2012 23:59 NicksonReyes wrote:
I don't know why people always bring up "personality." I know I won't because I don't know the esf dudes, as much as you don't know about kespa players. Stop it with the "personality."


Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 23:56 stratmatt wrote:
also lol did anyone see jangbi get demolished? who misses ff anymore at the pro level? drg was laughing so hard after that victory.

Maybe he choked? I mean, come on. That was 100% nerves.


to me, 'choking' is making a poor decision. missing a ff to wall off your ramp is a noob mistake.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 15:09:26
August 29 2012 15:04 GMT
#2119
On August 30 2012 00:01 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 23:59 NicksonReyes wrote:
I don't know why people always bring up "personality." I know I won't because I don't know the esf dudes, as much as you don't know about kespa players. Stop it with the "personality."


Stop it? It's the most important aspect of an sc2 player.

What I'm saying is stop comparing them. We barely know esf, you barely know kespa.
On August 30 2012 00:03 stratmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 23:59 NicksonReyes wrote:
I don't know why people always bring up "personality." I know I won't because I don't know the esf dudes, as much as you don't know about kespa players. Stop it with the "personality."


On August 29 2012 23:56 stratmatt wrote:
also lol did anyone see jangbi get demolished? who misses ff anymore at the pro level? drg was laughing so hard after that victory.

Maybe he choked? I mean, come on. That was 100% nerves.


to me, 'choking' is making a poor decision. missing a ff to wall off your ramp is a noob mistake.

Making a poor decision is a noob mistake, shows you aren't experienced enough to adapt to a certain situation. Misclicking is choking, like when your hand is shaking when you're being indecisive or just being nervous.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 29 2012 15:04 GMT
#2120
sorry for asking without reading the whole thread but its 106 pages long so..

why wasnt Oz vs Last played ?

also - Kespa players doing awesome !!! :D

nice !
T H C makes ppl happy
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