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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 03:33:28
August 28 2012 03:31 GMT
#441
On August 28 2012 12:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:14 ]343[ wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:06 Fionn wrote:
On August 28 2012 11:42 Xiphos wrote:
Why would anyone listen to English caster is something that myself and many cannot fathom.


Why would anyone listen to a language they have no understanding of?

+ Show Spoiler +
I prefer Korean commentary for Brood War and am not the biggest fan of Moletrap, but some people prefer to actually listen to something they can understand.


Yeah, English commentary walks a fine line between "being understandable" and "being bad." (Except Sayle! :D And maybe ooooophidian; I haven't heard you though... :/)



Sad but true, many English casters have no idea what they're saying.
It was irritating as hell to listen to MLG casters this weekend.
I'm only gold level and it's sad that I know more than some of these "professional" casters.

Doa and Moletrap are decent at play-by-play, but neither of them are any good at analytical casting.

I was watching DRG play MMA at IPL LA (doa & cats pajamas), and I could spot the difference between a 3 hatch or a roach bane rush a whole 3 minutes before the casters have a clue. Thinking about this keeps me up at night sometimes.

I cast with Doa and I've been a fan of his work in the past. He is definitely capable of great analysis and can support a hype man very well (much like in IPL with CatsPajamas). You might want to give him another chance, as he was going through a rough time and it's likely that affected his casting. He's even said he is highly ambitious in the game and wants to be able to take games off pros (playing 20+ games a day on ladder from what he said recently, I believe).

Many foreign casters do neglect it, though, even day9 mostly just yells during his casting even though he does strong analysis in his show and obviously knows what he's talking about. Personally I think this is to cater to the majority of the foreign audience who doesn't care about analysis. Thankfully people like dApollo get a lot of work and help make tournament content interesting for the rest of us.
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
August 28 2012 03:32 GMT
#442
Torch might redeem the cast slightly I suppose, I couldn't watch any of the GSL Code A stuff with Doa and Moletrap casting.

I'll probably just listen to the Korean cast or muted.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
August 28 2012 03:38 GMT
#443
On August 28 2012 12:31 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:14 ]343[ wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:06 Fionn wrote:
On August 28 2012 11:42 Xiphos wrote:
Why would anyone listen to English caster is something that myself and many cannot fathom.


Why would anyone listen to a language they have no understanding of?

+ Show Spoiler +
I prefer Korean commentary for Brood War and am not the biggest fan of Moletrap, but some people prefer to actually listen to something they can understand.


Yeah, English commentary walks a fine line between "being understandable" and "being bad." (Except Sayle! :D And maybe ooooophidian; I haven't heard you though... :/)



Sad but true, many English casters have no idea what they're saying.
It was irritating as hell to listen to MLG casters this weekend.
I'm only gold level and it's sad that I know more than some of these "professional" casters.

Doa and Moletrap are decent at play-by-play, but neither of them are any good at analytical casting.

I was watching DRG play MMA at IPL LA (doa & cats pajamas), and I could spot the difference between a 3 hatch or a roach bane rush a whole 3 minutes before the casters have a clue. Thinking about this keeps me up at night sometimes.

I cast with Doa and I've been a fan of his work in the past. He is definitely capable of great analysis and can support a hype man very well (much like in IPL with CatsPajamas).

Many foreign casters do neglect it, though, even day9 mostly just yells during his casting even though he does strong analysis in his show and obviously knows what he's talking about. Personally I think this is to cater to the majority of the foreign audience who doesn't care about analysis. Thankfully people like dApollo get a lot of work and help make tournament content interesting for the rest of us.


I feel bad for being harsh on DOA.
I really like him and he's definitely up there( as well as being super nice).
Maybe I'm just irritated at the mundane things he talks about, such as "tanks are really good on the high ground!"
and "warp prisms can be effective harass play"

iono,
maybe IPL overworked the guy.
he seemed tired that day.
moo...for DRG
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 28 2012 03:42 GMT
#444
I like Doa.
I like Moletrap when commentating BW.

Do not like Doa and Moletrap commentating together.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
August 28 2012 03:59 GMT
#445
Lets go DRG!!!!

Also I really like Doa. To be fair hes been going through a divorce recently and his casting is still so professional. I hope he can make it out to Korea soon.
#TheOneTrueDong
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
August 28 2012 04:16 GMT
#446
On August 28 2012 11:42 Xiphos wrote:
Why would anyone listen to English caster is something that myself and many cannot fathom.


I can't remember who said it, but I read a quote on TL that said:
"Starcraft without Koreans screaming is like porno without sex"
jaedong imba
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5806 Posts
August 28 2012 04:28 GMT
#447
On August 28 2012 12:31 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:14 ]343[ wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:06 Fionn wrote:
On August 28 2012 11:42 Xiphos wrote:
Why would anyone listen to English caster is something that myself and many cannot fathom.


Why would anyone listen to a language they have no understanding of?

+ Show Spoiler +
I prefer Korean commentary for Brood War and am not the biggest fan of Moletrap, but some people prefer to actually listen to something they can understand.


Yeah, English commentary walks a fine line between "being understandable" and "being bad." (Except Sayle! :D And maybe ooooophidian; I haven't heard you though... :/)



Sad but true, many English casters have no idea what they're saying.
It was irritating as hell to listen to MLG casters this weekend.
I'm only gold level and it's sad that I know more than some of these "professional" casters.

Doa and Moletrap are decent at play-by-play, but neither of them are any good at analytical casting.

I was watching DRG play MMA at IPL LA (doa & cats pajamas), and I could spot the difference between a 3 hatch or a roach bane rush a whole 3 minutes before the casters have a clue. Thinking about this keeps me up at night sometimes.

I cast with Doa and I've been a fan of his work in the past. He is definitely capable of great analysis and can support a hype man very well (much like in IPL with CatsPajamas). You might want to give him another chance, as he was going through a rough time and it's likely that affected his casting. He's even said he is highly ambitious in the game and wants to be able to take games off pros (playing 20+ games a day on ladder from what he said recently, I believe).

Many foreign casters do neglect it, though, even day9 mostly just yells during his casting even though he does strong analysis in his show and obviously knows what he's talking about. Personally I think this is to cater to the majority of the foreign audience who doesn't care about analysis. Thankfully people like dApollo get a lot of work and help make tournament content interesting for the rest of us.


Apollo is great. I remember he was once asked to cast BW WCG despite having transitioned to SC2 and having little background in BW. He used all his contacts to gather as much info about the players, maps and match-ups to prepare for the games. Probably the only English caster I support.

And, please, no Khaldor in OSL. I like him, but I don't think we need a caster that's completely cluelss about BW progamers.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
August 28 2012 04:33 GMT
#448
Only Bo1? and only one group being broadcasted? Thats like 1-1.5 hours max total time... makes me a sad panda =[
Long live the Boss Toss!
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 28 2012 04:33 GMT
#449
On August 28 2012 13:28 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:31 oOOoOphidian wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:14 ]343[ wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:06 Fionn wrote:
On August 28 2012 11:42 Xiphos wrote:
Why would anyone listen to English caster is something that myself and many cannot fathom.


Why would anyone listen to a language they have no understanding of?

+ Show Spoiler +
I prefer Korean commentary for Brood War and am not the biggest fan of Moletrap, but some people prefer to actually listen to something they can understand.


Yeah, English commentary walks a fine line between "being understandable" and "being bad." (Except Sayle! :D And maybe ooooophidian; I haven't heard you though... :/)



Sad but true, many English casters have no idea what they're saying.
It was irritating as hell to listen to MLG casters this weekend.
I'm only gold level and it's sad that I know more than some of these "professional" casters.

Doa and Moletrap are decent at play-by-play, but neither of them are any good at analytical casting.

I was watching DRG play MMA at IPL LA (doa & cats pajamas), and I could spot the difference between a 3 hatch or a roach bane rush a whole 3 minutes before the casters have a clue. Thinking about this keeps me up at night sometimes.

I cast with Doa and I've been a fan of his work in the past. He is definitely capable of great analysis and can support a hype man very well (much like in IPL with CatsPajamas). You might want to give him another chance, as he was going through a rough time and it's likely that affected his casting. He's even said he is highly ambitious in the game and wants to be able to take games off pros (playing 20+ games a day on ladder from what he said recently, I believe).

Many foreign casters do neglect it, though, even day9 mostly just yells during his casting even though he does strong analysis in his show and obviously knows what he's talking about. Personally I think this is to cater to the majority of the foreign audience who doesn't care about analysis. Thankfully people like dApollo get a lot of work and help make tournament content interesting for the rest of us.


Apollo is great. I remember he was once asked to cast BW WCG despite having transitioned to SC2 and having little background in BW. He used all his contacts to gather as much info about the players, maps and match-ups to prepare for the games. Probably the only English caster I support.

And, please, no Khaldor in OSL. I like him, but I don't think we need a caster that's completely cluelss about BW progamers.

Agreed. Apollo is one of those guys that can hype up a crowd while also being capable of showing off strong analyzing skills and knowledge of the game at a high level.
Lol I remember the WCS KR Prelims where it was MMA vs SoulKey...Khaldor had no idea who Soulkey was T__T. It was mildly depressing.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 28 2012 04:38 GMT
#450
On August 28 2012 13:33 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Only Bo1? and only one group being broadcasted? Thats like 1-1.5 hours max total time... makes me a sad panda =[


You underestimate the power of OGN's commercials, replays and interviews.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 28 2012 04:40 GMT
#451
On August 28 2012 13:38 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 13:33 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Only Bo1? and only one group being broadcasted? Thats like 1-1.5 hours max total time... makes me a sad panda =[


You underestimate the power of OGN's commercials, replays and interviews.


by "power" he means "length" ^^

but yeah, being on TV means lots o' ads
Writer
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
August 28 2012 04:44 GMT
#452
Is this one of those days where you have class in the morning but you wake up early or stay up all night and fucking deal? I think it is..
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
August 28 2012 04:53 GMT
#453
On August 28 2012 12:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:14 ]343[ wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:06 Fionn wrote:
On August 28 2012 11:42 Xiphos wrote:
Why would anyone listen to English caster is something that myself and many cannot fathom.


Why would anyone listen to a language they have no understanding of?

+ Show Spoiler +
I prefer Korean commentary for Brood War and am not the biggest fan of Moletrap, but some people prefer to actually listen to something they can understand.


Yeah, English commentary walks a fine line between "being understandable" and "being bad." (Except Sayle! :D And maybe ooooophidian; I haven't heard you though... :/)



Sad but true, many English casters have no idea what they're saying.
It was irritating as hell to listen to MLG casters this weekend.
I'm only gold level and it's sad that I know more than some of these "professional" casters.

Doa and Moletrap are decent at play-by-play, but neither of them are any good at analytical casting.

I was watching DRG play MMA at IPL LA (doa & cats pajamas), and I could spot the difference between a 3 hatch or a roach bane rush a whole 3 minutes before the casters have a clue. Thinking about this keeps me up at night sometimes.


if you are in gold theres no way in hell you know more than professional casters, maybe you know marauder counters stalker and zergling is not good against zealot but they actually know what they are talking about

i hope you dont take it too offensive but a lot of people in your level of the game think they know a lot and thats not... really... the truth...
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 04:53:40
August 28 2012 04:53 GMT
#454
(P)JangBi < (Z)DongRaeGu
(T)Fantasy < (Z)NesTea
(T)BaBy < (P)PartinG
(T)Flash > (P)San

Easy.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
August 28 2012 04:57 GMT
#455
Can someone make this happen sooner? Like please?
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
August 28 2012 05:01 GMT
#456
On August 22 2012 15:44 JustPassingBy wrote:
Nice, if they stream it over twitchtv, that means there are vods to catch up on, since I will miss the whole week!
I wonder whether the GSL will think of changing their model, now that there is another regular source of starcraft 2 from Korea, but with free vods.
Oh, and GSL players fighting!

Not necessarily. The broadcaster can choose to disable the instant Twitch VODs. TSL4, for example, has VODs disabled
Plat Support Main #believe
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
August 28 2012 05:03 GMT
#457
Surprised people think Baby is going to lose. He has the best chance of winning out of any of the Kespa players.
STX Fighting!
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
August 28 2012 05:05 GMT
#458
So excited to see vods (I hope there are some) Too bad I can't stay up T.T must not be a true fan
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 28 2012 05:08 GMT
#459
On August 28 2012 14:03 vesicular wrote:
Surprised people think Baby is going to lose. He has the best chance of winning out of any of the Kespa players.


I think he is the best of these four KeSPA players, but his opponent is probably the (current vT) toughest of the four non-KeSPA players.
Writer
monsterDrakar
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria100 Posts
August 28 2012 05:10 GMT
#460
Jangbi beats DRG
Nestea beats Fantasy
Parting beats Baby
San beats Flash
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