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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:32 opterown wrote: yeah they should kick out everyone who drops out after getting a WCS Asia seed and give those seeds instead to MarineKing Why do you cut me so deep? /cry | ||
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BathTubNZ
New Zealand2556 Posts
On August 21 2012 12:22 Porcelina wrote: I do not really comprehend why anyone would be angry at that kind of decision. Unless teams and other tournaments were informed about this scheduling conflict much earlier, perhaps by three or four months, than the public, then making it impossible for players to qualify due to the format it would seem pretty harsh. It also means that everyone involved has done zero homework; both teams and Gom were aware of the scheduling conflict yet decided to stay the course with the inclusion of players that would certainly not have any chance of qualification. I'm mostly irked that they are gaming the system to have their cake and eat it too, so to speak. I first noticed it when Ganzi skipped his Code A match 'because of his wrists' then 2 days later competed at MLG. ForGG did almost exactly the same, but I am not sure if he's planning to return to Code A. People have to make choices all the time. They are treating a forfeit like a loss when I think a forfeit for financial reasons (rather than sickness or other unavoidable reasons) should count as walking away from the tournament, not a loss. 4 (possibly more) of the 32 participants are happy to throw their places in the tournament, when there are any number of players who would have loved to play it out to the end. It's just all a bit lame. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:32 opterown wrote: yeah they should kick out everyone who drops out after getting a WCS Asia seed and give those seeds instead to MarineKing Marineking lost to horror. he should just focus on OSL | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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DeCoder
Finland236 Posts
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:55 BathTubNZ wrote: I'm mostly irked that they are gaming the system to have their cake and eat it too, so to speak. I first noticed it when Ganzi skipped his Code A match 'because of his wrists' then 2 days later competed at MLG. ForGG did almost exactly the same, but I am not sure if he's planning to return to Code A. People have to make choices all the time. They are treating a forfeit like a loss when I think a forfeit for financial reasons (rather than sickness or other unavoidable reasons) should count as walking away from the tournament, not a loss. 4 (possibly more) of the 32 participants are happy to throw their places in the tournament, when there are any number of players who would have loved to play it out to the end. It's just all a bit lame. I can understand that, but I do not understand how you disregard very plausible reasons for why it has to play out the way it does. Unless there are causes we do not know at play behind the scenes, Gom chose a structure that would disqualify players that have obligations to other tournaments that were publicly known at the WCS Korea's inception. I do agree that it is a bit lame, personally I would much rather see my favorite SC2 player play it out in the WCS, but I understand that some things cannot be helped. And if what I expect to be true is that way, saying that it is 'gaming the system' in any way is an injustice to both HerO and aLive - it is certainly very dissimilar to the situations and explanations that applied to ForGG and Ganzi. Ideally, WCS Korea should be played out without any drops. However, given the time frame of Gom and all other relevant parties, this would mean that the tournament would be a lot shorter than what it is now. Of course, this is true for every other Nationals to my knowledge, and certainly true of the ones that are most comparable to the Korean ones. This would take away from how epic WCS Korea feels to me on a personal level, and I am happy that Gom/Blizzard decided to give us such a long event - even if the compromise that has to happen is to see players have to withdraw because of other obligations. I could have understood a decision to play hardball with players over this; it would certainly fit with the scope of the tournament if you view it in a vacuum - WCS Korea with its players and the prestige of pretty much being the first televised event where you see Kespa and Gom players challenge one another on such a scale is definitely a tournament that could stand on its own merits. The reality of this tournament, however, is that for all its sparkle, drama and highest level of StarCraft II, it is a qualifier. And it would be harsh on players to coincide the only qualifier they can enter with a major tournament to which they had already accepted their invite. In the end, I understand criticism of the structure of the tournament due to giving us some disappointing results. But at least personally I can more than live with those due to getting to see some things I have never seen before coming out of it. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
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BathTubNZ
New Zealand2556 Posts
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 21 2012 14:59 BathTubNZ wrote: Don't get me wrong I've enjoyed it a lot, seeing the KeSPA players knocking out non-KeSPA players has been a great story, Just this level of forfeit is unusual and unfortunately. I do agree completely with that. Makes me sad, but also makes me very happy indeed to see Gom make this into something extra rather than to have a one day or weekend qualifier. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:32 opterown wrote: yeah they should kick out everyone who drops out after getting a WCS Asia seed and give those seeds instead to MarineKing Do you really have so little faith in MKP that you think he would need several seeds (extra lives!) for WCS? :D Surely you can save one for Byun at least! | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On August 21 2012 15:20 Bibbit wrote: Do you really have so little faith in MKP that you think he would need several seeds (extra lives!) for WCS? :D Surely you can save one for Byun at least! hahaha, okay! they can have two each, should help out against those pesky zergs | ||
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Negius
Netherlands290 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On August 21 2012 15:20 Bibbit wrote: Do you really have so little faith in MKP that you think he would need several seeds (extra lives!) for WCS? :D Surely you can save one for Byun at least! Just give all 10 seeds to byun, he'll wreck everyone for Korea by himself. | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 21 2012 17:55 Dasende wrote: Boy band... Shock save me! It is fair that they appeal to other parts of their audience! | ||
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theteam
United States515 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On August 21 2012 17:56 Porcelina wrote: It is fair that they appeal to other parts of their audience! Right, I just don't know this song so Shock said he'd learn them for me.  | ||
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