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Corrosive
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KawaiiRice
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alive 2-0 miya reality 2-1 hero | ||
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On August 21 2012 09:19 EscPlan9 wrote: I really really want EffOrt to win vs Hero, but it'll be rough. EffOrt is currently 0-6 in ZvP when you include his losses to Bisu (0-1) and Hero[join] (0-2) earlier in the WCS WR (who knocked him into LR). Actually, it was Liquid' Hero who knocked him into LR and he will be playing herO[join] today. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 21 2012 09:19 EscPlan9 wrote: I really really want EffOrt to win vs Hero, but it'll be rough. EffOrt is currently 0-6 in ZvP when you include his losses to Bisu (0-1) and Hero[join] (0-2) earlier in the WCS WR (who knocked him into LR). liquidhero, not herojoin i think | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
Pulling for Effort I guess, he's CJier | ||
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
Don't say you think! Say you know! It was definitely liquidhero that beat effort, show some confidence | ||
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Chickenlegs
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 21 2012 08:05 BathTubNZ wrote: I don't know why Hero and Alive are still playing since they either going to lose or default out of the tournament as they are heading off to MLG, either way there is no point to keep playing. Unless the organizers are seriously going to award defaulters with a WCS Asia slot when they should be handed to people who didn't abandon the tournament. Edit: Failed to read past the first sentence, my bad. On the other hand, it is not improbable that a defaulter will not have their qualification taken away. Gom laid out both the format and timeline after knowing that MLG would take place, it might be a compromise they were willing to make. Or had to make, seeing that it is Blizzard's tournament. All other countries were able to do this in one fell swoop over a weekend; and while no other country is South Korea and everything that entails, it is still possible that compromises were made. If HerO and Alive are both set to leave no matter their current status in the WCS Korea and they would lose qualification to WCS Asia upon dropping out, then I do agree - there is no reason for them to be there. On the other hand, if they would go to MLG no matter what and the rules are that anyone who drops will lose any previously won qualification status to the WCS Asia, they should never have entered seeing that there is no way to actually qualify and be knocked out at the same time while still attending MLG. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 21 2012 09:43 Maghetti wrote: Don't say you think! Say you know! It was definitely liquidhero that beat effort, show some confidence in case i get it wrong and people start crapping all over me! haha since i'm on my phone and can't really check easily (3g soo slowww) | ||
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BathTubNZ
New Zealand2556 Posts
On August 21 2012 09:56 Porcelina wrote: Edit: Failed to read past the first sentence, my bad. On the other hand, it is not improbable that a defaulter will not have their qualification taken away. Gom laid out both the format and timeline after knowing that MLG would take place, it might be a compromise they were willing to make. Or had to make, seeing that it is Blizzard's tournament. All other countries were able to do this in one fell swoop over a weekend; and while no other country is South Korea and everything that entails, it is still possible that compromises were made. If HerO and Alive are both set to leave no matter their current status in the WCS Korea and they would lose qualification to WCS Asia upon dropping out, then I do agree - there is no reason for them to be there. On the other hand, if they would go to MLG no matter what and the rules are that anyone who drops will lose any previously won qualification status to the WCS Asia, they should never have entered seeing that there is no way to actually qualify and be knocked out at the same time while still attending MLG. Alive has already stated that no matter where he places, he's leaving WCS to play at MLG, I haven't seen a clear statement from Hero yet. Already 2 of the biggest names dropped out of the tournament just to chase some foreign money, if I was organizing it I certainly wouldn't be awarding more prizes to players who continue to abandon it. It would be nice to hear an official word though. I'll ask over at the GOM forums what the deal is. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 21 2012 10:38 BathTubNZ wrote: Alive has already stated that no matter where he places, he's leaving WCS to play at MLG, I haven't seen a clear statement from Hero yet. Already 2 of the biggest names dropped out of the tournament just to chase some foreign money, if I was organizing it I certainly wouldn't be awarding more prizes to players who continue to abandon it. It would be nice to hear an official word though. I'll ask over at the GOM forums what the deal is. I know Hero is going to MLG no matter what, I think R1CH posted it somewhere but I can't find the post right now. edit: here it is http://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2012/08/14/hero-vs-creator-in-wcs-korea We know HerO can do it because his PvP really hasn't been that bad recently. All of his losses have come in close contests against strong opponents. He's notched a fair amount of wins in these scenarios too. Creator is a player who has a great deal of talent, showing it with a TSL4 Ro8 appearance, among other successes. In the opening round, he took down DRG 2-1, showing that he is taking this tournament very seriously. HerO must take his match seriously as well. His chances of qualifying for WCS are somewhat on a clock, thanks to the upcoming MLG Summer Championships in Raleigh, where he will attend with a groupstage seed. He will not be able to play all the way in this tournament, so it's crucial that he wins out and secures a spot before he is forced to forfeit. Creator is a good opponent, and it's PvP, so nothing is guaranteed. But hopefully HerO can deal with the pressure and take home a big win, moving a step closer to that qualifying position! | ||
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 21 2012 10:38 BathTubNZ wrote: Alive has already stated that no matter where he places, he's leaving WCS to play at MLG, I haven't seen a clear statement from Hero yet. Already 2 of the biggest names dropped out of the tournament just to chase some foreign money, if I was organizing it I certainly wouldn't be awarding more prizes to players who continue to abandon it. It would be nice to hear an official word though. I'll ask over at the GOM forums what the deal is. I do not know for a fact that Gom were in charge of deciding format and time, but I think this is a fair guess. The fact of the matter is that the event was scheduled knowing that there would be a conflict with MLG; it was also decided that it would run a format unlike any of the other WCS Nationals. Seeing that Blizzard are outsourcing the Nationals to different broadcasting entities or tournament organizers, I am not sure how much influence the ones holding the satellites will actually have in deciding rules concerning defaults and withdrawals. I think your statement about 'players who continue to abandon it' is also slightly off; while it is true that MC and Mvp dropped from the tournament in order to attend IEM, the two players in question would have no history of dropping. I also find it very hard to believe that Gom will be providing any prizes to this tournament; just like Blizzard were the ones giving out the prizes for the DreamHack hosted Swedish Nationals, I am confident that the same holds true in this instance even if the structure is very different and that this feels a lot more like a Gom tournament than what was true of US Nationals being an MLG tournament or the Canadian Nationals being an NASL one. Finally, I am not sure the implication that the player should be penalized for upholding their obligations to their team, sponsors and other tournaments they may have confirmed attendance to prior to this even being scheduled is a sound one. I do not know what the ruling would be on either Alive or HerO dropping out should they make it to a qualification spot. However, one would hope that this is something that the team and tournament organizers have discussed and sorted out prior to being in this position. The fact of the matter is that this scheduling conflict would arise for every player wanting to attend MLG way before we ended up in this spot; teams with the organizational structure of either fnatic or Liquid should be enough on the ball to know the full extent of situation. Edit: This statement is from from tree.hugger's preview of HerO versus Reality from teamliquidpro.com - http://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2012/08/21/hero-vs-reality-in-wcs-korea 'As HerO is in the lower bracket, this is obviously a must win match. But winning here will not quite qualify HerO for WCS Asia. Should he win here, he'll need to beat Polt in the following match to make the top eight, which would give him the continental tournament spot. It's going to be a time crunch with the MLG Summer Championship looming. But the timing will work out; HerO just needs to deliver.' Unless tree.hugger is not aware of an existing rule that takes away WCS Asia spots from qualifiers who later forfeit matches, it is fair to assume that winning in Loser's Bracket R4 is all a player would need in order to make it through. | ||
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Chunhyang
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
Miya's beaten aLive before in EGMCSL, but then aLive beat Miya later on so Miya winning might not be too much of an upset but still one nonetheless, so go Miya! And then of course, Liquid'HerO better win! | ||
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BathTubNZ
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 21 2012 12:01 BathTubNZ wrote: Yeah the TLP link certainly suggests that they expect to be able to just make it to the top 10 then just walk away from the tournament and still be awarded a place as WCS Asia. I do not really comprehend why anyone would be angry at that kind of decision. Unless teams and other tournaments were informed about this scheduling conflict much earlier, perhaps by three or four months, than the public, then making it impossible for players to qualify due to the format it would seem pretty harsh. It also means that everyone involved has done zero homework; both teams and Gom were aware of the scheduling conflict yet decided to stay the course with the inclusion of players that would certainly not have any chance of qualification. On a slightly more general note. I think it is a disservice to players and to tournament organizers (In this instance, Gom, ESL and MLG) to denounce actions taken. By all landmarks, this tournament looks to have been figured out on a short notice in comparison to what is the norm; it fields spectacular players, it has given us some epic games, (tons to talk, argue and fight about) and it has real importance in the sense that the WCS Global Championships could very well be one of the most prestigious tournaments to date. Yet it also suffers from some of the usual issues of a newer tournament; it is not definitely known just how important it truly will be and it encroaches on time slots that older, more established brands announced a long time ago. I think it is really unfair both to call it a failure due to players having other responsibilities and to state that players should disengage from those obligations just because this is the WCS. The timing could have been better; we could have had it not coincide with other relevant and/or previously announced tournaments. At least to me it makes sense that a tournament that is announced so late and that knows it will conflict with other events will try to accommodate and will make compromises to make sure that the players are treated as well as possible. After all, by the way Blizzard have organized the satellite tournaments that they want to help out as many independent tournament organizers by letting them hold the National Championships; in doing that they create what will probably turn into a very stable platform from which to expand, both for themselves in making WCS the premier tournament of the year and for their partners who know that they have a significant support from Blizzard in what they do. And before I break down and write 'Can't we all just get along?' and 'Try to be understanding of everyone involved and their interests and obligations', I guess I should remind myself that I could very well be wrong about the ruleset, and this situation should never have come about. | ||
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