FYI guys it's only after this point can they get seeds for the Asian championship, if a player is eliminated here it's gg no re. The players that advance to the next round can either earn it by moving on after that or being one of the two winners in the 4 man consolation bracket between the next rounds losers. Also one kespa player will get a seed to Asian championship, because of effort vs hero[join] next round even if all kespa players lose there will be 3 in the consolation guaranteeing a kespa player can get one.
I don't know why Hero and Alive are still playing since they either going to lose or default out of the tournament as they are heading off to MLG, either way there is no point to keep playing. Unless the organizers are seriously going to award defaulters with a WCS Asia slot when they should be handed to people who didn't abandon the tournament.
I really really want EffOrt to win vs Hero, but it'll be rough. EffOrt is currently 0-6 in ZvP when you include his losses to Bisu (0-1) and Hero[join] (0-2) earlier in the WCS WR (who knocked him into LR).
On August 21 2012 09:19 EscPlan9 wrote: I really really want EffOrt to win vs Hero, but it'll be rough. EffOrt is currently 0-6 in ZvP when you include his losses to Bisu (0-1) and Hero[join] (0-2) earlier in the WCS WR (who knocked him into LR).
Actually, it was Liquid' Hero who knocked him into LR and he will be playing herO[join] today.
On August 21 2012 09:19 EscPlan9 wrote: I really really want EffOrt to win vs Hero, but it'll be rough. EffOrt is currently 0-6 in ZvP when you include his losses to Bisu (0-1) and Hero[join] (0-2) earlier in the WCS WR (who knocked him into LR).
On August 21 2012 09:19 EscPlan9 wrote: I really really want EffOrt to win vs Hero, but it'll be rough. EffOrt is currently 0-6 in ZvP when you include his losses to Bisu (0-1) and Hero[join] (0-2) earlier in the WCS WR (who knocked him into LR).
liquidhero, not herojoin i think
Don't say you think! Say you know! It was definitely liquidhero that beat effort, show some confidence
On August 21 2012 08:05 BathTubNZ wrote: I don't know why Hero and Alive are still playing since they either going to lose or default out of the tournament as they are heading off to MLG, either way there is no point to keep playing. Unless the organizers are seriously going to award defaulters with a WCS Asia slot when they should be handed to people who didn't abandon the tournament.
Edit: Failed to read past the first sentence, my bad.
On the other hand, it is not improbable that a defaulter will not have their qualification taken away. Gom laid out both the format and timeline after knowing that MLG would take place, it might be a compromise they were willing to make. Or had to make, seeing that it is Blizzard's tournament.
All other countries were able to do this in one fell swoop over a weekend; and while no other country is South Korea and everything that entails, it is still possible that compromises were made.
If HerO and Alive are both set to leave no matter their current status in the WCS Korea and they would lose qualification to WCS Asia upon dropping out, then I do agree - there is no reason for them to be there. On the other hand, if they would go to MLG no matter what and the rules are that anyone who drops will lose any previously won qualification status to the WCS Asia, they should never have entered seeing that there is no way to actually qualify and be knocked out at the same time while still attending MLG.
On August 21 2012 09:19 EscPlan9 wrote: I really really want EffOrt to win vs Hero, but it'll be rough. EffOrt is currently 0-6 in ZvP when you include his losses to Bisu (0-1) and Hero[join] (0-2) earlier in the WCS WR (who knocked him into LR).
liquidhero, not herojoin i think
Don't say you think! Say you know! It was definitely liquidhero that beat effort, show some confidence
in case i get it wrong and people start crapping all over me! haha since i'm on my phone and can't really check easily (3g soo slowww)
On August 21 2012 08:05 BathTubNZ wrote: I don't know why Hero and Alive are still playing since they either going to lose or default out of the tournament as they are heading off to MLG, either way there is no point to keep playing. Unless the organizers are seriously going to award defaulters with a WCS Asia slot when they should be handed to people who didn't abandon the tournament.
Edit: Failed to read past the first sentence, my bad.
On the other hand, it is not improbable that a defaulter will not have their qualification taken away. Gom laid out both the format and timeline after knowing that MLG would take place, it might be a compromise they were willing to make. Or had to make, seeing that it is Blizzard's tournament.
All other countries were able to do this in one fell swoop over a weekend; and while no other country is South Korea and everything that entails, it is still possible that compromises were made.
If HerO and Alive are both set to leave no matter their current status in the WCS Korea and they would lose qualification to WCS Asia upon dropping out, then I do agree - there is no reason for them to be there. On the other hand, if they would go to MLG no matter what and the rules are that anyone who drops will lose any previously won qualification status to the WCS Asia, they should never have entered seeing that there is no way to actually qualify and be knocked out at the same time while still attending MLG.
Alive has already stated that no matter where he places, he's leaving WCS to play at MLG, I haven't seen a clear statement from Hero yet.
Already 2 of the biggest names dropped out of the tournament just to chase some foreign money, if I was organizing it I certainly wouldn't be awarding more prizes to players who continue to abandon it. It would be nice to hear an official word though. I'll ask over at the GOM forums what the deal is.
On August 21 2012 08:05 BathTubNZ wrote: I don't know why Hero and Alive are still playing since they either going to lose or default out of the tournament as they are heading off to MLG, either way there is no point to keep playing. Unless the organizers are seriously going to award defaulters with a WCS Asia slot when they should be handed to people who didn't abandon the tournament.
Edit: Failed to read past the first sentence, my bad.
On the other hand, it is not improbable that a defaulter will not have their qualification taken away. Gom laid out both the format and timeline after knowing that MLG would take place, it might be a compromise they were willing to make. Or had to make, seeing that it is Blizzard's tournament.
All other countries were able to do this in one fell swoop over a weekend; and while no other country is South Korea and everything that entails, it is still possible that compromises were made.
If HerO and Alive are both set to leave no matter their current status in the WCS Korea and they would lose qualification to WCS Asia upon dropping out, then I do agree - there is no reason for them to be there. On the other hand, if they would go to MLG no matter what and the rules are that anyone who drops will lose any previously won qualification status to the WCS Asia, they should never have entered seeing that there is no way to actually qualify and be knocked out at the same time while still attending MLG.
Alive has already stated that no matter where he places, he's leaving WCS to play at MLG, I haven't seen a clear statement from Hero yet.
Already 2 of the biggest names dropped out of the tournament just to chase some foreign money, if I was organizing it I certainly wouldn't be awarding more prizes to players who continue to abandon it. It would be nice to hear an official word though. I'll ask over at the GOM forums what the deal is.
I know Hero is going to MLG no matter what, I think R1CH posted it somewhere but I can't find the post right now.
We know HerO can do it because his PvP really hasn't been that bad recently. All of his losses have come in close contests against strong opponents. He's notched a fair amount of wins in these scenarios too. Creator is a player who has a great deal of talent, showing it with a TSL4 Ro8 appearance, among other successes. In the opening round, he took down DRG 2-1, showing that he is taking this tournament very seriously.
HerO must take his match seriously as well. His chances of qualifying for WCS are somewhat on a clock, thanks to the upcoming MLG Summer Championships in Raleigh, where he will attend with a groupstage seed. He will not be able to play all the way in this tournament, so it's crucial that he wins out and secures a spot before he is forced to forfeit.
Creator is a good opponent, and it's PvP, so nothing is guaranteed. But hopefully HerO can deal with the pressure and take home a big win, moving a step closer to that qualifying position!
On August 21 2012 08:05 BathTubNZ wrote: I don't know why Hero and Alive are still playing since they either going to lose or default out of the tournament as they are heading off to MLG, either way there is no point to keep playing. Unless the organizers are seriously going to award defaulters with a WCS Asia slot when they should be handed to people who didn't abandon the tournament.
Edit: Failed to read past the first sentence, my bad.
On the other hand, it is not improbable that a defaulter will not have their qualification taken away. Gom laid out both the format and timeline after knowing that MLG would take place, it might be a compromise they were willing to make. Or had to make, seeing that it is Blizzard's tournament.
All other countries were able to do this in one fell swoop over a weekend; and while no other country is South Korea and everything that entails, it is still possible that compromises were made.
If HerO and Alive are both set to leave no matter their current status in the WCS Korea and they would lose qualification to WCS Asia upon dropping out, then I do agree - there is no reason for them to be there. On the other hand, if they would go to MLG no matter what and the rules are that anyone who drops will lose any previously won qualification status to the WCS Asia, they should never have entered seeing that there is no way to actually qualify and be knocked out at the same time while still attending MLG.
Alive has already stated that no matter where he places, he's leaving WCS to play at MLG, I haven't seen a clear statement from Hero yet.
Already 2 of the biggest names dropped out of the tournament just to chase some foreign money, if I was organizing it I certainly wouldn't be awarding more prizes to players who continue to abandon it. It would be nice to hear an official word though. I'll ask over at the GOM forums what the deal is.
I do not know for a fact that Gom were in charge of deciding format and time, but I think this is a fair guess. The fact of the matter is that the event was scheduled knowing that there would be a conflict with MLG; it was also decided that it would run a format unlike any of the other WCS Nationals. Seeing that Blizzard are outsourcing the Nationals to different broadcasting entities or tournament organizers, I am not sure how much influence the ones holding the satellites will actually have in deciding rules concerning defaults and withdrawals.
I think your statement about 'players who continue to abandon it' is also slightly off; while it is true that MC and Mvp dropped from the tournament in order to attend IEM, the two players in question would have no history of dropping. I also find it very hard to believe that Gom will be providing any prizes to this tournament; just like Blizzard were the ones giving out the prizes for the DreamHack hosted Swedish Nationals, I am confident that the same holds true in this instance even if the structure is very different and that this feels a lot more like a Gom tournament than what was true of US Nationals being an MLG tournament or the Canadian Nationals being an NASL one.
Finally, I am not sure the implication that the player should be penalized for upholding their obligations to their team, sponsors and other tournaments they may have confirmed attendance to prior to this even being scheduled is a sound one.
I do not know what the ruling would be on either Alive or HerO dropping out should they make it to a qualification spot. However, one would hope that this is something that the team and tournament organizers have discussed and sorted out prior to being in this position. The fact of the matter is that this scheduling conflict would arise for every player wanting to attend MLG way before we ended up in this spot; teams with the organizational structure of either fnatic or Liquid should be enough on the ball to know the full extent of situation.
'As HerO is in the lower bracket, this is obviously a must win match. But winning here will not quite qualify HerO for WCS Asia. Should he win here, he'll need to beat Polt in the following match to make the top eight, which would give him the continental tournament spot. It's going to be a time crunch with the MLG Summer Championship looming. But the timing will work out; HerO just needs to deliver.'
Unless tree.hugger is not aware of an existing rule that takes away WCS Asia spots from qualifiers who later forfeit matches, it is fair to assume that winning in Loser's Bracket R4 is all a player would need in order to make it through.
Ouch, elephant knocking out an elephant...well optimistically, that means an elephant will go through.
Miya's beaten aLive before in EGMCSL, but then aLive beat Miya later on so Miya winning might not be too much of an upset but still one nonetheless, so go Miya!
Yeah the TLP link certainly suggests that they expect to be able to just make it to the top 10 then just walk away from the tournament and still be awarded a place as WCS Asia.
On August 21 2012 12:01 BathTubNZ wrote: Yeah the TLP link certainly suggests that they expect to be able to just make it to the top 10 then just walk away from the tournament and still be awarded a place as WCS Asia.
I do not really comprehend why anyone would be angry at that kind of decision. Unless teams and other tournaments were informed about this scheduling conflict much earlier, perhaps by three or four months, than the public, then making it impossible for players to qualify due to the format it would seem pretty harsh. It also means that everyone involved has done zero homework; both teams and Gom were aware of the scheduling conflict yet decided to stay the course with the inclusion of players that would certainly not have any chance of qualification.
On a slightly more general note. I think it is a disservice to players and to tournament organizers (In this instance, Gom, ESL and MLG) to denounce actions taken. By all landmarks, this tournament looks to have been figured out on a short notice in comparison to what is the norm; it fields spectacular players, it has given us some epic games, (tons to talk, argue and fight about) and it has real importance in the sense that the WCS Global Championships could very well be one of the most prestigious tournaments to date. Yet it also suffers from some of the usual issues of a newer tournament; it is not definitely known just how important it truly will be and it encroaches on time slots that older, more established brands announced a long time ago.
I think it is really unfair both to call it a failure due to players having other responsibilities and to state that players should disengage from those obligations just because this is the WCS. The timing could have been better; we could have had it not coincide with other relevant and/or previously announced tournaments.
At least to me it makes sense that a tournament that is announced so late and that knows it will conflict with other events will try to accommodate and will make compromises to make sure that the players are treated as well as possible. After all, by the way Blizzard have organized the satellite tournaments that they want to help out as many independent tournament organizers by letting them hold the National Championships; in doing that they create what will probably turn into a very stable platform from which to expand, both for themselves in making WCS the premier tournament of the year and for their partners who know that they have a significant support from Blizzard in what they do.
And before I break down and write 'Can't we all just get along?' and 'Try to be understanding of everyone involved and their interests and obligations', I guess I should remind myself that I could very well be wrong about the ruleset, and this situation should never have come about.
On August 21 2012 13:32 opterown wrote: yeah they should kick out everyone who drops out after getting a WCS Asia seed and give those seeds instead to MarineKing
On August 21 2012 12:01 BathTubNZ wrote: Yeah the TLP link certainly suggests that they expect to be able to just make it to the top 10 then just walk away from the tournament and still be awarded a place as WCS Asia.
I do not really comprehend why anyone would be angry at that kind of decision. Unless teams and other tournaments were informed about this scheduling conflict much earlier, perhaps by three or four months, than the public, then making it impossible for players to qualify due to the format it would seem pretty harsh. It also means that everyone involved has done zero homework; both teams and Gom were aware of the scheduling conflict yet decided to stay the course with the inclusion of players that would certainly not have any chance of qualification.
I'm mostly irked that they are gaming the system to have their cake and eat it too, so to speak. I first noticed it when Ganzi skipped his Code A match 'because of his wrists' then 2 days later competed at MLG. ForGG did almost exactly the same, but I am not sure if he's planning to return to Code A. People have to make choices all the time. They are treating a forfeit like a loss when I think a forfeit for financial reasons (rather than sickness or other unavoidable reasons) should count as walking away from the tournament, not a loss. 4 (possibly more) of the 32 participants are happy to throw their places in the tournament, when there are any number of players who would have loved to play it out to the end.
On August 21 2012 13:32 opterown wrote: yeah they should kick out everyone who drops out after getting a WCS Asia seed and give those seeds instead to MarineKing
Marineking lost to horror. he should just focus on OSL
I'm still surprised that Miya beat Hack to advance. I know his t v z isn't that great but he's been doing pretty well lately. I hope he has a good shot at Code S through the up an downs.
On August 21 2012 12:01 BathTubNZ wrote: Yeah the TLP link certainly suggests that they expect to be able to just make it to the top 10 then just walk away from the tournament and still be awarded a place as WCS Asia.
I do not really comprehend why anyone would be angry at that kind of decision. Unless teams and other tournaments were informed about this scheduling conflict much earlier, perhaps by three or four months, than the public, then making it impossible for players to qualify due to the format it would seem pretty harsh. It also means that everyone involved has done zero homework; both teams and Gom were aware of the scheduling conflict yet decided to stay the course with the inclusion of players that would certainly not have any chance of qualification.
I'm mostly irked that they are gaming the system to have their cake and eat it too, so to speak. I first noticed it when Ganzi skipped his Code A match 'because of his wrists' then 2 days later competed at MLG. ForGG did almost exactly the same, but I am not sure if he's planning to return to Code A. People have to make choices all the time. They are treating a forfeit like a loss when I think a forfeit for financial reasons (rather than sickness or other unavoidable reasons) should count as walking away from the tournament, not a loss. 4 (possibly more) of the 32 participants are happy to throw their places in the tournament, when there are any number of players who would have loved to play it out to the end.
It's just all a bit lame.
I can understand that, but I do not understand how you disregard very plausible reasons for why it has to play out the way it does. Unless there are causes we do not know at play behind the scenes, Gom chose a structure that would disqualify players that have obligations to other tournaments that were publicly known at the WCS Korea's inception.
I do agree that it is a bit lame, personally I would much rather see my favorite SC2 player play it out in the WCS, but I understand that some things cannot be helped. And if what I expect to be true is that way, saying that it is 'gaming the system' in any way is an injustice to both HerO and aLive - it is certainly very dissimilar to the situations and explanations that applied to ForGG and Ganzi.
Ideally, WCS Korea should be played out without any drops. However, given the time frame of Gom and all other relevant parties, this would mean that the tournament would be a lot shorter than what it is now. Of course, this is true for every other Nationals to my knowledge, and certainly true of the ones that are most comparable to the Korean ones. This would take away from how epic WCS Korea feels to me on a personal level, and I am happy that Gom/Blizzard decided to give us such a long event - even if the compromise that has to happen is to see players have to withdraw because of other obligations.
I could have understood a decision to play hardball with players over this; it would certainly fit with the scope of the tournament if you view it in a vacuum - WCS Korea with its players and the prestige of pretty much being the first televised event where you see Kespa and Gom players challenge one another on such a scale is definitely a tournament that could stand on its own merits. The reality of this tournament, however, is that for all its sparkle, drama and highest level of StarCraft II, it is a qualifier. And it would be harsh on players to coincide the only qualifier they can enter with a major tournament to which they had already accepted their invite.
In the end, I understand criticism of the structure of the tournament due to giving us some disappointing results. But at least personally I can more than live with those due to getting to see some things I have never seen before coming out of it.
Don't get me wrong I've enjoyed it a lot, seeing the KeSPA players knocking out non-KeSPA players has been a great story, Just this level of forfeit is unusual and unfortunate.
On August 21 2012 14:59 BathTubNZ wrote: Don't get me wrong I've enjoyed it a lot, seeing the KeSPA players knocking out non-KeSPA players has been a great story, Just this level of forfeit is unusual and unfortunately.
I do agree completely with that. Makes me sad, but also makes me very happy indeed to see Gom make this into something extra rather than to have a one day or weekend qualifier.
^^This. Of course, as fan, it sucks to have players pull out mid tournament because it takes away a lot of the storylines/hype/anticipation. But without knowing all the facts, it is unfair to put the blame on the players. They had previous obligations (to tournaments, sponsors). I think as long as they let GOM know in advance that they wouldn't be able to play on some dates and GOM is ok with it, then it is fine. Remember that the WCS schedule is different from something like the GSL. With GSL, you win and you move on and you know the dates of future rounds (which GOM can move around from monday to thursday). With WCS double elimination format, the schedule is much tighter and a player schedule will depend on whether they are in the WB or LB. And due to the tight schedule, it is much harder for GOM to reschedule matches. They can push matches 1 day ahead or behind (like JD v Sun match, Liquid Hero match) but they can't move a match for 2-3 days because it disrupts the entire schedule.
On August 21 2012 13:32 opterown wrote: yeah they should kick out everyone who drops out after getting a WCS Asia seed and give those seeds instead to MarineKing
Do you really have so little faith in MKP that you think he would need several seeds (extra lives!) for WCS? :D
On August 21 2012 13:32 opterown wrote: yeah they should kick out everyone who drops out after getting a WCS Asia seed and give those seeds instead to MarineKing
Do you really have so little faith in MKP that you think he would need several seeds (extra lives!) for WCS? :D
Surely you can save one for Byun at least!
hahaha, okay! they can have two each, should help out against those pesky zergs
Hoping for an excellent performance from aLive. Effort vs. herO will be fun too, I guess. I do hope the Kespa players can bring some unique strategies to SC2.
On August 21 2012 13:32 opterown wrote: yeah they should kick out everyone who drops out after getting a WCS Asia seed and give those seeds instead to MarineKing
Do you really have so little faith in MKP that you think he would need several seeds (extra lives!) for WCS? :D
Surely you can save one for Byun at least!
Just give all 10 seeds to byun, he'll wreck everyone for Korea by himself.
On August 21 2012 17:58 Sorook wrote: The scheduale on the right has jaedong vs by.rain, but i don't see anthing about that game on the op. Is that match not taking place?
It was played yesterday due to Rain/Sun having scheduling conflicts with todays OSL group selection
On August 21 2012 17:58 Sorook wrote: The scheduale on the right has jaedong vs by.rain, but i don't see anthing about that game on the op. Is that match not taking place?
Happened yesterday, Rain has OSL group nominations today so the match was rescheduled.
On August 21 2012 17:58 Sorook wrote: The scheduale on the right has jaedong vs by.rain, but i don't see anthing about that game on the op. Is that match not taking place?
Jaedong v Rain was played yesterday. Is Rain in the OSL selection today?
On August 21 2012 17:58 Sorook wrote: The scheduale on the right has jaedong vs by.rain, but i don't see anthing about that game on the op. Is that match not taking place?
Jaedong v Rain was played yesterday. Is Rain in the OSL selection today?
its STARTED :D OH WTF...i had the kr and eng stream both open and the kr just started but the eng bugged out and didnt do anything till i saw the kpop in this thread, paused it and pressed play 0_0
On August 21 2012 18:18 Dodgin wrote: I heard those European Zergs caught the patchzerg virus, It's increasing their power.
Not sure about calling them that. But they definitely learned pretty fast how to get to Hive and make many, many Infestor, Corruptor and Brood Lord as soon as possible pretty well.
On August 21 2012 18:18 Dodgin wrote: I heard those European Zergs caught the patchzerg virus, It's increasing their power.
Not sure about calling them that. But they definitely learned pretty fast how to get to Hive and make many, many Infestor, Corruptor and Brood Lord as soon as possible pretty well.
I'm reluctant to believe in patch zergs because of how badly the Korean Zergs are doing lately
that might just be because the Protoss in Korea are powering up and destroying everyone lately.
On August 21 2012 18:16 GT350 wrote: Are these broodwar players good?
U are a troll....seeing how u answer the question urself in another thread...
On August 19 2012 10:58 GT350 wrote: Too early to say. I mean I really donèt know brrodwar dudes other than their games so far, and theyère not even that good. Let's wait a year or so and see what happens.
Interesting to hear that about ladder, I guess it makes sense given the top gom players are known to not ladder/only offrace on ladder and the 8 teams worth of new starcraft 2 players have perfected internal practice anyways...
On August 21 2012 18:18 Dodgin wrote: I heard those European Zergs caught the patchzerg virus, It's increasing their power.
Not sure about calling them that. But they definitely learned pretty fast how to get to Hive and make many, many Infestor, Corruptor and Brood Lord as soon as possible pretty well.
I'm reluctant to believe in patch zergs because of how badly the Korean Zergs are doing lately
that might just be because the Protoss in Korea are powering up and destroying everyone lately.
A lot of the bar code ladder Zergs play the same way as European Zergs in ZvP incidentally.
On August 21 2012 18:26 AgentChaos wrote: seeds build is pretty good
isnt this just a standard 7 gate +2 blink?
seed build is the 3 base stalker max I thought
Correct, this is a standard +2 blink all in. He just hit earlier because he had his tech scouted and used the timing when Effort was still having to consider DTs. Seed's build is much sicker though, I love that stalker max off three bases.
hero built 2 additional gas at 6:00 so this really looked like a tech opening. I wonder if hero just didn't use 12 probes on his gases because that would explain why effort misread the situation and hero could attack that fast despite the early gases
On August 21 2012 18:26 AgentChaos wrote: seeds build is pretty good
isnt this just a standard 7 gate +2 blink?
seed build is the 3 base stalker max I thought
well its a bit different, he opens stargate first then mass blink stalkers, around 6 gates on 2 bases +2 attack watch his first game vs coca in the first round of wcs he also do that build tons of times vs zerg when he stream, speaking of which i miss his stream T_T
On August 21 2012 18:26 AgentChaos wrote: seeds build is pretty good
isnt this just a standard 7 gate +2 blink?
seed build is the 3 base stalker max I thought
well its a bit different, he opens stargate first then mass blink stalkers, around 6 gates on 2 bases +2 attack watch his first game vs coca in the first round of wcs he also do that build tons of times vs zerg when he stream, speaking of which i miss his stream T_T
seed opened 1 gate expand into stargate, the 2 builds have like nothing in common at all :D
On August 21 2012 18:26 AgentChaos wrote: seeds build is pretty good
isnt this just a standard 7 gate +2 blink?
seed build is the 3 base stalker max I thought
well its a bit different, he opens stargate first then mass blink stalkers, around 6 gates on 2 bases +2 attack watch his first game vs coca in the first round of wcs he also do that build tons of times vs zerg when he stream, speaking of which i miss his stream T_T
seed opened 1 gate expand into stargate, the 2 builds have like nothing in common at all :D
FU tsubbi they both killed the zerg. what more do you want =p
On August 21 2012 18:39 Odoakar wrote: Meh, I guess people overhyped effort:|
His other two matchups are great, but his ZvP is really, really bad. In fact, it seems like a lot of KeSPA zergs have problems dealing with attacks like this.
Few things make a zerg feel so impotent like a well executed Blink Stalkers + Sentries timing. Even if it looked over since the last gateway addition, gg.
On August 21 2012 18:39 Odoakar wrote: Meh, I guess people overhyped effort:|
His other two matchups are great, but his ZvP is really, really bad. In fact, it seems like a lot of KeSPA zergs have problems dealing with attacks like this.
Haven't all zergs struggled to understand ZvP when they first started playing? It's very easy to underestimate the trouble you are in because of warp-ins and forcefields.
On August 21 2012 18:39 Odoakar wrote: Meh, I guess people overhyped effort:|
His other two matchups are great, but his ZvP is really, really bad. In fact, it seems like a lot of KeSPA zergs have problems dealing with attacks like this.
Haven't all zergs struggled to understand ZvP when they first started playing? It's very easy to underestimate the trouble you are in because of warp-ins and forcefields.
Yes. Pretty much, they'll learn the timings like the modern Zergs it'll just take a bit of time.
On August 21 2012 18:39 Odoakar wrote: Meh, I guess people overhyped effort:|
His other two matchups are great, but his ZvP is really, really bad. In fact, it seems like a lot of KeSPA zergs have problems dealing with attacks like this.
Haven't all zergs struggled to understand ZvP when they first started playing? It's very easy to underestimate the trouble you are in because of warp-ins and forcefields.
Exactly my thoughts. I expect EffOrt to pick it up when he fully transitions over to SC2. Until then, it's going to be really brutal :/ his ZvZ is amazing and ZvT is pretty good at least. ZvP takes the most time to get used to with handling these aggressive pushes
On August 21 2012 18:43 FataLe wrote: oh shit came late again. can somebody sum up the first two elephants?
Hero had beautiful execution of a two base push on Ohana, three base on Entombed. Effort looked just as bad as he did versus a different Hero earlier in WCS Korea.
On August 21 2012 18:39 Odoakar wrote: Meh, I guess people overhyped effort:|
His other two matchups are great, but his ZvP is really, really bad. In fact, it seems like a lot of KeSPA zergs have problems dealing with attacks like this.
Kespa protoss overall look the best tbh, not sure if it's perhaps more easy to learn builds in practice, or if the race is closer to that of BW. Not saying Protoss is easy to play ofc, just these timings are possibly good to practice to perfection ?
I think some Korean zergs haven't figured out the importance of spine crawlers in zvp. That's really how you hold these sorts of stuff and transition into infestor/BL.
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now
Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p)
Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament .
On August 21 2012 18:39 Odoakar wrote: Meh, I guess people overhyped effort:|
His other two matchups are great, but his ZvP is really, really bad. In fact, it seems like a lot of KeSPA zergs have problems dealing with attacks like this.
Kespa protoss overall look the best tbh, not sure if it's perhaps more easy to learn, or if the race is closer to that of BW. Not saying Protoss is easy to play ofc, just these timings are possibly good to practice to perfection ?
You win vs Protoss based on understainding "if he is going to kill me in a minute or in 3 minutes", and no amount of talent and micro will give you that answer, you basically have to know this.
On August 21 2012 18:39 Odoakar wrote: Meh, I guess people overhyped effort:|
His other two matchups are great, but his ZvP is really, really bad. In fact, it seems like a lot of KeSPA zergs have problems dealing with attacks like this.
Haven't all zergs struggled to understand ZvP when they first started playing? It's very easy to underestimate the trouble you are in because of warp-ins and forcefields.
And the drone management in this gamephase is quite intricate. It's really easy to end up with either too much army or too much eco even for the pros.
On August 21 2012 18:39 Odoakar wrote: Meh, I guess people overhyped effort:|
His other two matchups are great, but his ZvP is really, really bad. In fact, it seems like a lot of KeSPA zergs have problems dealing with attacks like this.
Kespa protoss overall look the best tbh, not sure if it's perhaps more easy to learn builds in practice, or if the race is closer to that of BW. Not saying Protoss is easy to play ofc, just these timings are possibly good to practice to perfection ?
that certainly does play a role too atm as most of the pvz builds can practically be practiced against the ai
but imo its just the maps that are the main problem atm, proleague, wcg and wcs all use pretty protoss favored maps and all the kespa players have to play on those since their switch
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now
Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p)
Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament .
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now
Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p)
Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament .
Well, it's not only MC, but I think we should all agree when we use the term "Foreign Zergs" that it designate quite only Stephano + Nerchio... (I wouldn't say anything about SortOf, Suppy, and JonnyREcco, as they have shown up for about only 3 months or so).
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now
Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p)
Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament .
That's why he did so bad last GSL...
Wasn't the last GSL like a month ago? Obviously that doesn't count...
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now
Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p)
Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament .
That's why he did so bad last GSL...
I think just lately MC's travel is starting to catch up with him and he's falling behind a bit compared to parting/squirtle/seed/creator.
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now
Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p)
Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament .
That's why he did so bad last GSL...
I think just lately MC's travel is starting to catch up with him and he's falling behind a bit compared to parting/squirtle/seed/creator.
Guess you are only as good as your last tournament
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now
Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p)
Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament .
That's why he did so bad last GSL...
I think just lately MC's travel is starting to catch up with him and he's falling behind a bit compared to parting/squirtle/seed/creator.
Guess you are only as good as your last tournament
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now
Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p)
Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament .
That's why he did so bad last GSL...
I think just lately MC's travel is starting to catch up with him and he's falling behind a bit compared to parting/squirtle/seed/creator.
Guess you are only as good as your last tournament
true
Unless you won it, you are probably slightly worse.
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now
Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p)
Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament .
That's why he did so bad last GSL...
I think just lately MC's travel is starting to catch up with him and he's falling behind a bit compared to parting/squirtle/seed/creator.
Guess you are only as good as your last tournament
true
Unless you won it, you are probably slightly worse.
Even so, people who are in the circuit with better competition are always going to be better
Alive does have balls of steel, he seems to be betting on miya hesitating attacking with alive's drops which can buy him the time to transition. He's playing on a knife's edge right now and if he messes up one drop that will probably prompt an attack from miya which will win it for miya.
I can't describe how much I hate fungal, such a horrible mechanic behind this spell. As soon as the first one hits, that's it. And the casters are like 'oh look at those fungals! oh once again, amazing!"
On August 21 2012 19:11 m0ck wrote: Alive had a 2-3 minute window where he could have attacked before broods and won easily. But he waited until the BLs were out. And that defense? Ugh.
Lol you underestimate infestor's power, it's not that easy to just "kill and win" a zerg in defensive mode on tal'darim. aLive played that well but he was busy microing his multidrops therefore lost all his bio to banelings. Very sad but it's TvZ hard to win once T3 out, keep staying strong aLive you'll beat this Slayers unknown who always beat you!
On August 21 2012 19:14 SibChil wrote: Wow, Legend even catches the call down supply by Alive. That guy is so good
Well to be fair this is a scenario where call down supply is actually a good choice. He barely has any depots left at all.
I don't think he was saying it was bad, because it obviously was not. I think his point was that Legend managed to find the right depot right as the call down supply happened.
On August 21 2012 19:13 YyapSsap wrote: This is pretty much how ravens end up being 99% of the time.
If you thought the ravens had anything to do with alive losing this game i don't know what to tell you :p
Hah, but just getting it out there about how shitty HSM range and energy usage is :D
Well him not splitting anything at all vs fungals and getting his entire army including medivacs and some vikings caught by a single fungal definitely lost him the game. Good god that was terrible..
On August 21 2012 19:28 Ragnarork wrote: Missed the first game, who won it ? (All I learn from the thread is that is was bad enough to bring the Ensnare - Revival sad memories :D)
On August 21 2012 19:28 Ragnarork wrote: Missed the first game, who won it ? (All I learn from the thread is that is was bad enough to bring the Ensnare - Revival sad memories :D)
Miya won it
Won in the most official sense, no one actually won that match.
On August 21 2012 19:28 Ragnarork wrote: Missed the first game, who won it ? (All I learn from the thread is that is was bad enough to bring the Ensnare - Revival sad memories :D)
Miya won it
Won in the most official sense, no one actually won that match.
Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Terran is already least represented in WCS everywhere and Korea is not saving us..
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Terran is already least represented in WCS everywhere and Korea is not saving us..
On August 21 2012 19:35 letian wrote: Checked recommended on Effort vs fakeHero, was Effort that bad in ZvP?
The Kespa players in general just seem to struggle a bit in ZvP. I was watching Jaedong the other day against the other hero I think it was and it's apparent that they are getting there/playing well but they just aren't particularly good in the lategame. They've still improved a hell of a lot, but from the matches I've seen anyway the Kespa Zergs are good at mirror/vT but just a bit lacking against Protoss.
I suppose Protoss are the quickest to pick up to a decent level, hence the KespaPvP days when they first switched over
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Actually 2 terrans can still advance as long as reality wins. There is a consolation bracket for 9 and 10 qualified player.
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Terran is already least represented in WCS everywhere and Korea is not saving us..
It will be weird to have such a high end tournament and no korean terrans Except Polt because I believe!
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Terran is already least represented in WCS everywhere and Korea is not saving us..
It's okay, IEM proved that Terran wasn't underpowered :D
(This post should be read with a large degree of sarcasm)
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Actually 2 terrans can still advance as long as reality wins. There is a consolation bracket for 9 and 10 qualified player.
Might even be two. If HerO beats reality and loses to Polt, he has to forfeit because of MLG. Dunno who gets the consolation bracket place in that case.
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Terran is already least represented in WCS everywhere and Korea is not saving us..
It's okay, IEM proved that Terran wasn't underpowered :D
(This post should be read with a large degree of sarcasm)
Terran won ... again ... please by happy for one's.
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Terran is already least represented in WCS everywhere and Korea is not saving us..
It's okay, IEM proved that Terran wasn't underpowered :D
(This post should be read with a large degree of sarcasm)
I know right.. Korean Terrans beating the obviously superior foreign players shows Terran is once again, OP as fuck.
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Terran is already least represented in WCS everywhere and Korea is not saving us..
It's okay, IEM proved that Terran wasn't underpowered :D
(This post should be read with a large degree of sarcasm)
I hear you.
Ok I'vr just been warned of spamming in LR by heyoka. Sorry mods, I just wanted to see whats up with all this elephant talk that's why I joined this LR.
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Actually 2 terrans can still advance as long as reality wins. There is a consolation bracket for 9 and 10 qualified player.
Might even be two. If HerO beats reality and loses to Polt, he has to forfeit because of MLG. Dunno who gets the consolation bracket place in that case.
I'm not sure, but usually in the double elimination brackets I've seen, HerO will still take the consolation bracket place and autolose due to walkover, placing 11-12th.
On August 21 2012 19:35 letian wrote: Checked recommended on Effort vs fakeHero, was Effort that bad in ZvP?
The Kespa players in general just seem to struggle a bit in ZvP. I was watching Jaedong the other day against the other hero I think it was and it's apparent that they are getting there/playing well but they just aren't particularly good in the lategame. They've still improved a hell of a lot, but from the matches I've seen anyway the Kespa Zergs are good at mirror/vT but just a bit lacking against Protoss.
I suppose Protoss are the quickest to pick up to a decent level, hence the KespaPvP days when they first switched over
Judging by the latest course of events in all matchups I can't resist but to mention that toss is imbalanced. As I don't play SC2 and only watch it occasionally, I wonder if this imbalance is the real case or just my speculation.
Oh man, I really enjoy Wolf's casting and everything but this hair talk has to stop. I don't care if it's purposely trolling by now, it's just getting too annoying.
On August 21 2012 19:44 iky43210 wrote: Quick question about mvp dropping out of WCS spot.
doesn't WCS have 6 direct seeds, 1 from each country, at the end?
so mvp would just be seeded directly to the championship right?
Those 6 direct seeds are the winners of these tournaments, Mvp threw away his chance to play in WCS by going to Cologne. The top 10 go compete for WCS Asia, but the 1st place finisher goes to the World Champs no matter how they do at WCS Asia.
On August 21 2012 19:48 Asha` wrote: For anyone who didn't watch the OSL selection, you have to go catch the beginning on vods just to see MC's arrival =p
On August 21 2012 19:48 Asha` wrote: For anyone who didn't watch the OSL selection, you have to go catch the beginning on vods just to see MC's arrival =p
Second this. Absolutely amazing!
Are there VoDs uploaded on Twitch or anything? This I have to see!
On August 21 2012 19:36 GumBa wrote: Gah even if Reality wins only 1 terran left after the Polt match and I have to root for polt hopefully he can make it through for atelast 1 korean terran in wcs
Terran is already least represented in WCS everywhere and Korea is not saving us..
It's okay, IEM proved that Terran wasn't underpowered :D
(This post should be read with a large degree of sarcasm)
Terran won ... again ... please by happy for one's.
Terran didn't win IEM, MVP won IEM for MVP is above petty separations of races and is his own being.
On August 21 2012 19:48 Asha` wrote: For anyone who didn't watch the OSL selection, you have to go catch the beginning on vods just to see MC's arrival =p
Second this. Absolutely amazing!
Are there VoDs uploaded on Twitch or anything? This I have to see!
It's still ongoing so you'll have to wait for a while. I'm sure there are going to be vods later.
On August 21 2012 19:48 Asha` wrote: For anyone who didn't watch the OSL selection, you have to go catch the beginning on vods just to see MC's arrival =p
Any link to where to get said vods? Just on the twitch channel?
The SCV "all-in" attack I hope means Reality didn't start combat shield on purpose (timing with biggest army possible before combat shield would have been ready anyway). I hope.
On August 21 2012 19:58 figq wrote: The SCV "all-in" attack I hope means Reality didn't start combat shield on purpose (timing with biggest army possible before combat shield would have been ready anyway). I hope.
No lol, he had plenty of time to get combat shields. He realised he was falling behind in upgrades and just went for it
On August 21 2012 19:58 figq wrote: The SCV "all-in" attack I hope means Reality didn't start combat shield on purpose (timing with biggest army possible before combat shield would have been ready anyway). I hope.
No lol, he had plenty of time to get combat shields. He realised he was falling behind in upgrades and just went for it
Oh certainly did have time, I mean I hope he meant to do what I said and just didn't execute it well and took too much time.
Casters should stop using the term 'forced a stim'. You can't force your opponent to stim, it's his decision. Reality tried to catch the stalkers by stimming. At best Hero provoked, or baited a stim.
sandwiches are always cool, sentries with energy + colossus + storm is something where you can't engage without emp. Normally sentries don't get remade, so maybe people forgot that lesson.
On August 21 2012 20:14 YyapSsap wrote: Jesus at this rate, its going to be all Ps with maybe one zerg or maybe T..
There's only one T left in the tournament, period
Doens't look like zerg is gonna be sticking around for long either, looking at what Z's are left (decent Z's), verses what P's are left (basically the best P's)
Could turn out pretty interesting if Korea (Asia) ends up sending a whole lot of Ps to the WCS Final. Recently a lot of EU Zergs have done kinda well against Korean Ps (well, at least in comparison to Ts and Ps), and judging by the recent look of the EU scene, we're gonna be sending several Zs there.
On August 21 2012 20:16 Majynx wrote: Awww...HerO has Polt next...two players I like to cheer for GL to both...
Both of them can advance though, but only if Hero wins, since he's going to be forced to forfeit after that. So go go Hero, and go go Polt, tear up that consolation bracket
On August 21 2012 20:21 Kreb wrote: Could turn out pretty interesting if Korea (Asia) ends up sending a whole lot of Ps to the WCS Final. Recently a lot of EU Zergs have done kinda well against Korean Ps (well, at least in comparison to Ts and Ps), and judging by the recent look of the EU scene, we're gonna be sending several Zs there.
Wait wait wait.
A bunch of Zergs and Protosses, which means a bunch of PvZs.
And this is...interesting? I'm sorry but I don't follow. Unless of course you like seeing motherships and brood lords slowly drift around on every single map in the rotation, that is.
On August 21 2012 20:21 Kreb wrote: Could turn out pretty interesting if Korea (Asia) ends up sending a whole lot of Ps to the WCS Final. Recently a lot of EU Zergs have done kinda well against Korean Ps (well, at least in comparison to Ts and Ps), and judging by the recent look of the EU scene, we're gonna be sending several Zs there.
Wait wait wait.
A bunch of Zergs and Protosses, which means a bunch of PvZs.
And this is...interesting? I'm sorry but I don't follow. Unless of course you like seeing motherships and brood lords slowly drift around on every single map in the rotation, that is.
Would you prefer a whole bracket of ZvZs? Rest of the world is sending plenty of zergs so far and there was never much hope for terrans. Korean protoss might at least make sure 2 races are well represented in the finals.
On August 21 2012 20:21 Kreb wrote: Could turn out pretty interesting if Korea (Asia) ends up sending a whole lot of Ps to the WCS Final. Recently a lot of EU Zergs have done kinda well against Korean Ps (well, at least in comparison to Ts and Ps), and judging by the recent look of the EU scene, we're gonna be sending several Zs there.
Wait wait wait.
A bunch of Zergs and Protosses, which means a bunch of PvZs.
And this is...interesting? I'm sorry but I don't follow. Unless of course you like seeing motherships and brood lords slowly drift around on every single map in the rotation, that is.
You just noticed I mentioned Ps and Zs and had to jump on the hate train on PvZ, didnt you?
For the record, PvZ isnt my favourite matchup either. But I (like most others here) do enjoy watching foreigners going toe to toe with Koreans rather than watching the same old Koreans get top 10 every tourny all around the world. And currently most of our hopes of that happening seems to be in foreign Zs. And yes, that is a lot more.....interesting than most other possible outcomes, unless foreign Ts and Ps start to shape up asap.
On August 21 2012 20:35 rj rl wrote: Don't like hero, having such a nerd face and manner-nexusing your opponent - almost as pathetic in terms of real life as idra going to gym.
On August 21 2012 20:35 rj rl wrote: Don't like hero, having such a nerd face and manner-nexusing your opponent - almost as pathetic in terms of real life as idra going to gym.
p>z>t T_T polt new terran hope? i love it when people tell me "play like taeja/mvp/mkp" when i complain about balance. not even other korean Ts can do it.
If HerO beats Polt that gives him the top 10 for Asia right? Does that mean Polt is out of the running or does he drop to the consolation bracket? So torn!
On August 21 2012 22:06 Wombat_NI wrote: If HerO beats Polt that gives him the top 10 for Asia right? Does that mean Polt is out of the running or does he drop to the consolation bracket? So torn!
Winner gets top 10 and loser drops to consolation bracket.
On August 21 2012 22:06 Wombat_NI wrote: If HerO beats Polt that gives him the top 10 for Asia right? Does that mean Polt is out of the running or does he drop to the consolation bracket? So torn!
Winner gets top 10 and loser drops to consolation bracket.
Ah, so I can have my cake and eat it, HerO wins so he doesn't have to forfeit, but Polt can redeem himself in the consolation bracket. Phew, I didn't want to have to choose
Man, it sucks that many strong T and Z players didn't participate/got upset in the WCS qualifiers. You have almost every strong Toss player here, yet we're missing MKP, Byun, Taeja, Jjakji, Nestea, Symbol, Hyun, Life, and Losira. MVP forfeiting out hurt T more than MC forfeiting hurt P because there were already so many other strong Toss players in the tournament. I'm a Toss fan myself but this many PvPs.... bleh. Also feeling sorry for others who want more variety :X
On August 22 2012 04:10 HolyArrow wrote: Man, it sucks that many strong T and Z players didn't participate/got upset in the WCS qualifiers. You have almost every strong Toss player here, yet we're missing MKP, Byun, Taeja, Jjakji, Nestea, Symbol, Hyun, Life, and Losira. MVP forfeiting out hurt T more than MC forfeiting hurt P because there were already so many other strong Toss players in the tournament. I'm a Toss fan myself but this many PvPs.... bleh. Also feeling sorry for others who want more variety :X
On August 22 2012 04:10 HolyArrow wrote: Man, it sucks that many strong T and Z players didn't participate/got upset in the WCS qualifiers. You have almost every strong Toss player here, yet we're missing MKP, Byun, Taeja, Jjakji, Nestea, Symbol, Hyun, Life, and Losira. MVP forfeiting out hurt T more than MC forfeiting hurt P because there were already so many other strong Toss players in the tournament. I'm a Toss fan myself but this many PvPs.... bleh. Also feeling sorry for others who want more variety :X
On August 22 2012 04:10 HolyArrow wrote: Man, it sucks that many strong T and Z players didn't participate/got upset in the WCS qualifiers. You have almost every strong Toss player here, yet we're missing MKP, Byun, Taeja, Jjakji, Nestea, Symbol, Hyun, Life, and Losira. MVP forfeiting out hurt T more than MC forfeiting hurt P because there were already so many other strong Toss players in the tournament. I'm a Toss fan myself but this many PvPs.... bleh. Also feeling sorry for others who want more variety :X
I wish I could find out how terious beat byun and how IMhorror beat marineking because that just doesn't make sense to me.
On August 22 2012 04:10 HolyArrow wrote: Man, it sucks that many strong T and Z players didn't participate/got upset in the WCS qualifiers. You have almost every strong Toss player here, yet we're missing MKP, Byun, Taeja, Jjakji, Nestea, Symbol, Hyun, Life, and Losira. MVP forfeiting out hurt T more than MC forfeiting hurt P because there were already so many other strong Toss players in the tournament. I'm a Toss fan myself but this many PvPs.... bleh. Also feeling sorry for others who want more variety :X
I wish I could find out how terious beat byun and how IMhorror beat marineking because that just doesn't make sense to me.
Going through qualifiers just sucks in general if you're a strong player, because you have to play so many games that the chance of you being upset increases dramatically. Or, if you're a preparation-based player, you're also at a big disadvantage. I was hoping to see Parting in TSL4 and then he went and got 2-0'd by Salmosa :X
Looks like hero brought his elephant gun. I guess the excuse from the BW fanboys will be "reality was bad we didn't count him as part of the 300 that would come in and dominate all non BW players"
It's my speculation, just speculation: Alive lost on purpose. During an interview before the game he said he would forfeit anyway because the time conflict with MLG. To be frank, he tried to lose so hard during the 1st game. Only to find out even trying that hard can still barely hold to a code C zerg player named Mamamiya. And that's why his 2nd game play looks completely retard(even after suicides waves infantry force, his supply is still up against incredible macro genius Mamamiya). If you remember the game between the those 2 just a few weeks ago on GSTL in which Miya's bling/lings literally got rolfed by Alive's marines. You would agree with me.
On August 22 2012 05:20 morevox wrote: I read somewhere that the vods are free 7 days after broadcast but it says I need a season ticket... Anyone know where we can see this?
On August 22 2012 04:10 HolyArrow wrote: Man, it sucks that many strong T and Z players didn't participate/got upset in the WCS qualifiers. You have almost every strong Toss player here, yet we're missing MKP, Byun, Taeja, Jjakji, Nestea, Symbol, Hyun, Life, and Losira. MVP forfeiting out hurt T more than MC forfeiting hurt P because there were already so many other strong Toss players in the tournament. I'm a Toss fan myself but this many PvPs.... bleh. Also feeling sorry for others who want more variety :X
I wish I could find out how terious beat byun and how IMhorror beat marineking because that just doesn't make sense to me.
The patch just hit. Not only zerg became "stronger", all the metagame was changed therefore it increased the upsets in the match-up. That's why a lot of strong players got kicked out in TSL qualifiers too.
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