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On August 17 2012 20:24 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...
elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason. Thats irrelevant. in any other matchup, elfi would have won after that crushing engagement. but against Z, killing your opponants entire army with minimal losses doesnt mean anything because Z can make 62 units at once.
And toss can't make 25 Zealots with warpins? Regarding reinforcements with stocked up minerals, P is nowhere worse than Z.
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MC watching some LOL with Reis, I think?
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On August 17 2012 20:24 Shikada wrote:
Soooo... Grubby has an excellent chance of advancing right ?
He has, but still has to face Slivko and Bomber. Also the group is really tight score wise, only one really dropping for now is Minigun.
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On August 17 2012 20:23 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...
Well apparently moonglade saved up larvae, only option to do that is if you don't have to trade units for units. More pressure and the bank of larvae will disappear. Nothing wrong with the matchup.
pretty hard for zerg to spend larvae when they are maxed.
go back under your bridge.
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On August 17 2012 20:24 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:23 Luolis wrote:On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...
elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason. Elfis third was again destroyed by mutas and he had no income to make a third. Yes he did. He ended up making his 3rd later in the game anyway.
Wait he did make an expansion after going to attack? Thats funny i dont recall seeing it.
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lol at day 9 in wrong game
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da fuck grubby double gas before cannon
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On August 17 2012 20:26 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:23 Loxley wrote:On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...
Well apparently moonglade saved up larvae, only option to do that is if you don't have to trade units for units. More pressure and the bank of larvae will disappear. Nothing wrong with the matchup. pretty hard for zerg to spend larvae when they are maxed. go back under your bridge.
And why is zerg maxed? Dont really appreciate the uncalled for closing sentence.
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On August 17 2012 20:26 gTank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:24 sc2holar wrote:On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...
elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason. Thats irrelevant. in any other matchup, elfi would have won after that crushing engagement. but against Z, killing your opponants entire army with minimal losses doesnt mean anything because Z can make 62 units at once. And toss can't make 25 Zealots with warpins? Regarding reinforcements with stocked up minerals, P is nowhere worse than Z.
Except Lings (and roaches) are twice as cost effective as gateway units, especially against protoss.
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Such a tense game !!
EDIT: wrong thread !
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On August 17 2012 20:28 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:26 sc2holar wrote:On August 17 2012 20:23 Loxley wrote:On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...
Well apparently moonglade saved up larvae, only option to do that is if you don't have to trade units for units. More pressure and the bank of larvae will disappear. Nothing wrong with the matchup. pretty hard for zerg to spend larvae when they are maxed. go back under your bridge. And why is zerg maxed? Dont really appreciate the uncalled for closing sentence.
what dont you get? once zerg is maxed, they will float larvae.
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Excellent defense by Grubby!
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Come one Grubby! If he holds he is way ahead.
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On August 17 2012 20:29 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:26 gTank wrote:On August 17 2012 20:24 sc2holar wrote:On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...
elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason. Thats irrelevant. in any other matchup, elfi would have won after that crushing engagement. but against Z, killing your opponants entire army with minimal losses doesnt mean anything because Z can make 62 units at once. And toss can't make 25 Zealots with warpins? Regarding reinforcements with stocked up minerals, P is nowhere worse than Z. Except Lings (and roaches) are twice as cost effective as gateway units, especially against protoss.
Yeah lings > zealots.
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Man, Grubby needs immortals.
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Blink almost done, u can do it Grubster.
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Slivko just throwing away units now :<
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On August 17 2012 20:31 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:28 Loxley wrote:On August 17 2012 20:26 sc2holar wrote:On August 17 2012 20:23 Loxley wrote:On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...
Well apparently moonglade saved up larvae, only option to do that is if you don't have to trade units for units. More pressure and the bank of larvae will disappear. Nothing wrong with the matchup. pretty hard for zerg to spend larvae when they are maxed. go back under your bridge. And why is zerg maxed? Dont really appreciate the uncalled for closing sentence. what dont you get? once zerg is maxed, they will float larvae.
Well it was rhetorical, Zerg is maxed because the lack of pressure. You can only save up larvae if you don't have to spend them. Replacing drones (due to drops), hit and run attacks, big engagements etc, all force to spend larvae. Hence my statement about applying pressure to stop larvae saving..
Now it goes without saying that this is not a solution, but its a direct result; no pressure is saving up larvae. Its an integral part of the matchup vs Z.
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On August 17 2012 20:26 gTank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 20:24 sc2holar wrote:On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...
elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason. Thats irrelevant. in any other matchup, elfi would have won after that crushing engagement. but against Z, killing your opponants entire army with minimal losses doesnt mean anything because Z can make 62 units at once. And toss can't make 25 Zealots with warpins? Regarding reinforcements with stocked up minerals, P is nowhere worse than Z. as a terran i must agree with this, if you crush a toss army in late game you can play vs 25 zealot in a few moments, so toss is working in the same way as zerg 
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EPT
