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gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2584 Posts
August 17 2012 11:26 GMT
#1201
On August 17 2012 20:24 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...

elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason.

Thats irrelevant. in any other matchup, elfi would have won after that crushing engagement. but against Z, killing your opponants entire army with minimal losses doesnt mean anything because Z can make 62 units at once.


And toss can't make 25 Zealots with warpins? Regarding reinforcements with stocked up minerals, P is nowhere worse than Z.
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 11:26:50
August 17 2012 11:26 GMT
#1202
MC watching some LOL with Reis, I think?
KT best KT ~ 2014
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
August 17 2012 11:26 GMT
#1203
On August 17 2012 20:24 Shikada wrote:
Soooo... Grubby has an excellent chance of advancing right ?


He has, but still has to face Slivko and Bomber. Also the group is really tight score wise, only one really dropping for now is Minigun.
월요 날 재미있
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
August 17 2012 11:26 GMT
#1204
On August 17 2012 20:23 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...


Well apparently moonglade saved up larvae, only option to do that is if you don't have to trade units for units. More pressure and the bank of larvae will disappear. Nothing wrong with the matchup.

pretty hard for zerg to spend larvae when they are maxed.

go back under your bridge.
you no take candle
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7136 Posts
August 17 2012 11:26 GMT
#1205
On August 17 2012 20:24 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:23 Luolis wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...

elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason.


Elfis third was again destroyed by mutas and he had no income to make a third.

Yes he did. He ended up making his 3rd later in the game anyway.


Wait he did make an expansion after going to attack? Thats funny i dont recall seeing it.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
gcruz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States82 Posts
August 17 2012 11:26 GMT
#1206
lol at day 9 in wrong game
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 17 2012 11:28 GMT
#1207
da fuck grubby double gas before cannon
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
August 17 2012 11:28 GMT
#1208
On August 17 2012 20:26 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:23 Loxley wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...


Well apparently moonglade saved up larvae, only option to do that is if you don't have to trade units for units. More pressure and the bank of larvae will disappear. Nothing wrong with the matchup.

pretty hard for zerg to spend larvae when they are maxed.

go back under your bridge.


And why is zerg maxed? Dont really appreciate the uncalled for closing sentence.
월요 날 재미있
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
August 17 2012 11:29 GMT
#1209
On August 17 2012 20:26 gTank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:24 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...

elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason.

Thats irrelevant. in any other matchup, elfi would have won after that crushing engagement. but against Z, killing your opponants entire army with minimal losses doesnt mean anything because Z can make 62 units at once.


And toss can't make 25 Zealots with warpins? Regarding reinforcements with stocked up minerals, P is nowhere worse than Z.

Except Lings (and roaches) are twice as cost effective as gateway units, especially against protoss.
you no take candle
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 11:31:42
August 17 2012 11:31 GMT
#1210
Such a tense game !!
EDIT: wrong thread !
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
August 17 2012 11:31 GMT
#1211
On August 17 2012 20:28 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:26 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:23 Loxley wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...


Well apparently moonglade saved up larvae, only option to do that is if you don't have to trade units for units. More pressure and the bank of larvae will disappear. Nothing wrong with the matchup.

pretty hard for zerg to spend larvae when they are maxed.

go back under your bridge.


And why is zerg maxed? Dont really appreciate the uncalled for closing sentence.


what dont you get? once zerg is maxed, they will float larvae.
you no take candle
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
August 17 2012 11:32 GMT
#1212
Excellent defense by Grubby!
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
August 17 2012 11:33 GMT
#1213
Come one Grubby! If he holds he is way ahead.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
August 17 2012 11:33 GMT
#1214
On August 17 2012 20:29 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:26 gTank wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:24 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...

elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason.

Thats irrelevant. in any other matchup, elfi would have won after that crushing engagement. but against Z, killing your opponants entire army with minimal losses doesnt mean anything because Z can make 62 units at once.


And toss can't make 25 Zealots with warpins? Regarding reinforcements with stocked up minerals, P is nowhere worse than Z.

Except Lings (and roaches) are twice as cost effective as gateway units, especially against protoss.

Yeah lings > zealots.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
August 17 2012 11:34 GMT
#1215
Man, Grubby needs immortals.
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
August 17 2012 11:34 GMT
#1216
Blink almost done, u can do it Grubster.
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
August 17 2012 11:34 GMT
#1217
Slivko just throwing away units now :<
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
August 17 2012 11:35 GMT
#1218
On August 17 2012 20:31 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:28 Loxley wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:26 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:23 Loxley wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...


Well apparently moonglade saved up larvae, only option to do that is if you don't have to trade units for units. More pressure and the bank of larvae will disappear. Nothing wrong with the matchup.

pretty hard for zerg to spend larvae when they are maxed.

go back under your bridge.


And why is zerg maxed? Dont really appreciate the uncalled for closing sentence.


what dont you get? once zerg is maxed, they will float larvae.


Well it was rhetorical, Zerg is maxed because the lack of pressure. You can only save up larvae if you don't have to spend them. Replacing drones (due to drops), hit and run attacks, big engagements etc, all force to spend larvae. Hence my statement about applying pressure to stop larvae saving..
Now it goes without saying that this is not a solution, but its a direct result; no pressure is saving up larvae. Its an integral part of the matchup vs Z.

월요 날 재미있
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 17 2012 11:35 GMT
#1219
well played by grubby =)
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
TsGBruzze
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Sweden1190 Posts
August 17 2012 11:35 GMT
#1220
On August 17 2012 20:26 gTank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 20:24 sc2holar wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:22 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On August 17 2012 20:21 Luolis wrote:
The Elfi-Moonglae match shows perfectly what is wron with Z. Elfi wins an engagement and moonglade loses his whole army. Then moonglade just pumps out 62 lings...

elfi lost because he pulled all his probes to attack for no reason.

Thats irrelevant. in any other matchup, elfi would have won after that crushing engagement. but against Z, killing your opponants entire army with minimal losses doesnt mean anything because Z can make 62 units at once.


And toss can't make 25 Zealots with warpins? Regarding reinforcements with stocked up minerals, P is nowhere worse than Z.
as a terran i must agree with this, if you crush a toss army in late game you can play vs 25 zealot in a few moments, so toss is working in the same way as zerg
''you got to yolo things up to win''
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