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Yeah, the elephant theory is starting to look correct, but I'll still wait for a few more matches before getting really excited. I remember ForGG looking unbeatable in his first three matches, then things normalized and he looked like a good Code A level player.
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Jaedong. Jaedong. Strong.
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On August 16 2012 19:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 19:48 ChoiSulli wrote:On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.
Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.
Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way. Umm thats not the reason we knew they would do well. When SC2 came out all those that couldnt cut it in BW switched over and one A-team called MVP. Those that switched over have been able to dominate the scene. So obviously skill sets transferred over for the most part. So once the switch was announced just based on who was on top in SC2, made it pretty clear that the best BW players will eventually be on top in SC2. The only question is how long, how much practice it is going to take until they figure out the game because once they do their superior multitasking and the speed at which they think their way through games will carry them to the top, just like in BW. MVP was really a B team player but was considered A team because his team had such crappy terran players.
OSL Ro. 8? Ro. 4?
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Well, KesPA players are very impressive in both skill and how fast they improve but to jump to a conclusion that the Elephant Theory is correct is a little bit too premature. The sample size is not that big enough to be conclusive and they are still in the Loser bracket. They are improving very fast but winning two matches in Loser bracket and saying they are dominating is kinda silly.
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On August 17 2012 04:16 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 19:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 16 2012 19:48 ChoiSulli wrote:On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.
Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.
Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way. Umm thats not the reason we knew they would do well. When SC2 came out all those that couldnt cut it in BW switched over and one A-team called MVP. Those that switched over have been able to dominate the scene. So obviously skill sets transferred over for the most part. So once the switch was announced just based on who was on top in SC2, made it pretty clear that the best BW players will eventually be on top in SC2. The only question is how long, how much practice it is going to take until they figure out the game because once they do their superior multitasking and the speed at which they think their way through games will carry them to the top, just like in BW. MVP was really a B team player but was considered A team because his team had such crappy terran players. OSL Ro. 8? Ro. 4?
I dont agree with Blazefury, MVP was pretty good, but it was a MSL ro8 and I dont think there was a ro4 anywhere.
edit: cj high5 with raga
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On August 17 2012 04:16 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 19:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 16 2012 19:48 ChoiSulli wrote:On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.
Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.
Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way. Umm thats not the reason we knew they would do well. When SC2 came out all those that couldnt cut it in BW switched over and one A-team called MVP. Those that switched over have been able to dominate the scene. So obviously skill sets transferred over for the most part. So once the switch was announced just based on who was on top in SC2, made it pretty clear that the best BW players will eventually be on top in SC2. The only question is how long, how much practice it is going to take until they figure out the game because once they do their superior multitasking and the speed at which they think their way through games will carry them to the top, just like in BW. MVP was really a B team player but was considered A team because his team had such crappy terran players. OSL Ro. 8? Ro. 4?
More like MSL Ro8 . Considering that that was his peak it wasn't anything impressive . MVP had talent , but the fact was that he indeed was at the bottom of the A - teamers .
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Watching these results after a hard 2 days of work almost makes me cry. So happy for The tyrant and the other KeSpa players! <3
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Man this is so awesome...so happy for Jaedong!!
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It's way to soon to think of the "elephant scenario" becoming real, and it's quite tiring to read all this pointless stuff about "the elephants" now destroying everything. All that can be observed by now is that kespa players are improving fast and that they seem to have a psychological edge considering boX series. (which is based on a few series in a single tournament)
Don't get me wrong, I'm also excited, especially because JD and Effort are two of my favourite bw players of all time - but I just don't like this mindless overhyping (or is it actually bad trolling?). I hope that the whole Korean scene will benefit from the kespa players (think of the fans they might be dragging to sc2!).
edit: Yeah, now I've repeated stuff that's already been said at least ten times.
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On August 17 2012 04:16 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 19:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 16 2012 19:48 ChoiSulli wrote:On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.
Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.
Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way. Umm thats not the reason we knew they would do well. When SC2 came out all those that couldnt cut it in BW switched over and one A-team called MVP. Those that switched over have been able to dominate the scene. So obviously skill sets transferred over for the most part. So once the switch was announced just based on who was on top in SC2, made it pretty clear that the best BW players will eventually be on top in SC2. The only question is how long, how much practice it is going to take until they figure out the game because once they do their superior multitasking and the speed at which they think their way through games will carry them to the top, just like in BW. MVP was really a B team player but was considered A team because his team had such crappy terran players. OSL Ro. 8? Ro. 4?
MVP was on the Woojin team which was made fun of for their weak terran line. Regardless of his OSL performance, his point still stands.
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On August 17 2012 04:44 virpi wrote:
It's way to soon to think of the "elephant scenario" becoming real, and it's quite tiring to read all this pointless stuff about "the elephants" now destroying everything. All that can be observed by now is that kespa players are improving fast and that they seem to have a psychological edge considering boX series. (which is based on a few series in a single tournament)
Don't get me wrong, I'm also excited, especially because JD and Effort are two of my favourite bw players of all time - but I just don't like this mindless overhyping (or is it actually bad trolling?). I hope that the whole Korean scene will benefit from the kespa players (think of the fans they might be dragging to sc2!).
edit: Yeah, now I've repeated stuff that's already been said at least ten times.
People are just having fun with bringing up the term " elephant ".
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On August 17 2012 04:46 Hallucination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 04:16 Aunvilgod wrote:On August 16 2012 19:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 16 2012 19:48 ChoiSulli wrote:On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.
Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.
Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way. Umm thats not the reason we knew they would do well. When SC2 came out all those that couldnt cut it in BW switched over and one A-team called MVP. Those that switched over have been able to dominate the scene. So obviously skill sets transferred over for the most part. So once the switch was announced just based on who was on top in SC2, made it pretty clear that the best BW players will eventually be on top in SC2. The only question is how long, how much practice it is going to take until they figure out the game because once they do their superior multitasking and the speed at which they think their way through games will carry them to the top, just like in BW. MVP was really a B team player but was considered A team because his team had such crappy terran players. OSL Ro. 8? Ro. 4? MVP was on the Woojin team which was made fun of for their weak terran line. Regardless of his OSL performance, his point still stands.
woongjin has light now, just pretend honsin doesn't exist D:
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Wow, a 4-0, very impressive, I can't believe I missed this  .
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A lot of "only sc2" people are making the mistake in thinking that BW fans (like me) don't follow sc2. I've been following sc2 since king of the beta and been watching all the tournies whether it be GSL, MLG, Homestory, or DreamHack. Yeah the GSL players didn't play flawlessly, but saying "Gumiho is slumping! see he lost!" is just retarded. Give credit where it's due.
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I didn't follow Brood War as much, but something like the woongjin terran joke strikes me as mean-spirited. It's unfair to an upcoming player who gets associated with the lack of success of his team members and says nothing about MVP's potential as a player. In the earliest days of SC2 people constantly moped about that a woongjin terran was dominating the sc2 scene, as kind of the ultimate insult to the competition, but it's not really based on solid logic.
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On August 16 2012 22:17 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 22:15 Diizzy wrote:
i dont see how anyone particulary played bad. maybe except tail when he cheesed all 3 games against hero. seriosuly
reality pretty much out multitask and macro happpy so bad even in the game he lost.
effort 1st game was him easily defending gumiho drop play and just out macro him forcing gumiho to try to base race which didnt work out for him.
jaedong pew pew pew. to be fair genius alled in the 1st game too.
Gumiho outplayed Effort in the first game. If he had some form of preparations against Brood Lords he would have won that match easy. He was so far ahead but was caught off guard vs BLs which he couldn't fight and tried to baserace.
Maybe Effort was so far ahead from being so good that Gumiho didn't have the chance to be prepared for BLs?
You can't just say that if Player X and had just done Y that they would have won, that's simplifying the game too much. It doesn't prove anything and is insulting not only to fans but the players themselves.
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Just want to point out that saying stuff like, "If only Gumiho had starports pumping 4x vikings at a time he'd be fine in the first game vs Effort" is more or less same as saying, "well if player X had 10k bank and 20 battlecruisers he'd totally take the game". The game was extremely close, had Gumiho invested the resources into getting a solid viking count before he saw the Broodlords, he wouldn't be able to trade the way he did and the game would look completely different. Takes a special kind of an idiot to say shit like that, tbh.
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"OMG Elephant is REAL!! LOL take that"
Thread name: "WCS KR LOSERS ROUND 2 Day 1"
I suggest you guys look at the Winners bracket for once and calm down.
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On August 17 2012 05:33 nokz88 wrote:
"OMG Elephant is REAL!! LOL take that"
Thread name: "WCS KR LOSERS ROUND 2 Day 1"
I suggest you guys look at the Winners bracket for once and calm down.
Bad argument, Gumiho got put down to the losers bracket by none other than Seed, he is still better than at least half the people that got through in the winners bracket.
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On August 17 2012 05:07 Grumbels wrote:
I didn't follow Brood War as much, but something like the woongjin terran joke strikes me as mean-spirited. It's unfair to an upcoming player who gets associated with the lack of success of his team members and says nothing about MVP's potential as a player. In the earliest days of SC2 people constantly moped about that a woongjin terran was dominating the sc2 scene, as kind of the ultimate insult to the competition, but it's not really based on solid logic.
WoongJin Terrans
SKT Zergs
Oz protoss and Dark templars(to some extend)
Anything on KT not Flash-Stats
its all in good spirits/jest.
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