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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On August 17 2012 08:28 bittman wrote: And the most successful Sc2 player in it's short history is MC who went 1-9 in BW. Everyone else should be ashamed I guess? =/ what? mvp is most successful lol. Mc just has the most money cause he's built like a cow and runs around the world stealing all the coin | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:25 rysecake wrote: what? mvp is most successful lol. Mc just has the most money cause he's built like a cow and runs around the world stealing all the coin Depends on what you're defining success by - total earnings, or GSL wins. Though I'd argue that the most pragmatic definition of success would be based on earnings. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:30 HolyArrow wrote: Depends on what you're defining success by - total earnings, or GSL wins. Though I'd argue that the most pragmatic definition of success would be based on earnings. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=361068 this is a pretty cool ranking =] | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:30 HolyArrow wrote: Depends on what you're defining success by - total earnings, or GSL wins. Though I'd argue that the most pragmatic definition of success would be based on earnings. So if the GSL paid like 5k to the winner and you have a 5x gsl winner but the other guy who wins small tourneys around the world has like 100k vs the 25k gsl winner you would say the gsl winner is the lesser player? What happened to the good old days where success was determined by the winning of a prestigious tournament? | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:32 rysecake wrote: So if the GSL paid like 5k to the winner and you have a 5x gsl winner but the other guy who wins small tourneys around the world has like 100k vs the 25k gsl winner you would say the gsl winner is the lesser player? What happened to the good old days where success was determined by the winning of a prestigious tournament? Its dead. Everybody is about the money these days. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:30 HolyArrow wrote: Depends on what you're defining success by - total earnings, or GSL wins. Though I'd argue that the most pragmatic definition of success would be based on earnings. It's always based on wins. Nothing else matters in a *game*. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:51 vesicular wrote: It's always based on wins. Nothing else matters in a *game*. You talk as if these people aren't progamers. On August 17 2012 09:32 rysecake wrote: So if the GSL paid like 5k to the winner and you have a 5x gsl winner but the other guy who wins small tourneys around the world has like 100k vs the 25k gsl winner you would say the gsl winner is the lesser player? What happened to the good old days where success was determined by the winning of a prestigious tournament? Who said anything about being the lesser player? I made it clear that I'm talking about success a pragmatic sense, not in a prestigious sense. In the end, MVP's and MC's ultimate goal is probably to make as much money as possible, and in that regard, MC is beating him by a relatively small margin, though I agree that if you want to talk about success in the prestigious sense, MVP's superior GSL medal count puts him ahead. And I agree with Dodgin, there's no need to argue over which definition might be the superior one - I'm fine with saying that MC and MVP are both top SC2 players and leaving it at that. | ||
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wozzot
United States1227 Posts
Maybe he should take a shot at going pro and try playing in the Code A qualifiers  | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On August 17 2012 10:02 wozzot wrote: I just finished watching through the VODs, and this "Jaedong" person looks like a pretty solid Starcraft II player. His fundamental mechanics are impeccable, his decision-making is good, and most importantly, he seems quite popular with the ladies. Maybe he should take a shot at going pro and try playing in the Code A qualifiers oh you! in due time you will learn of him and his accomplishments. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26742 Posts
On August 17 2012 10:02 wozzot wrote: I just finished watching through the VODs, and this "Jaedong" person looks like a pretty solid Starcraft II player. His fundamental mechanics are impeccable, his decision-making is good, and most importantly, he seems quite popular with the ladies. Maybe he should take a shot at going pro and try playing in the Code A qualifiers Nice to see at least one of the sexy bastards amongst the Kespa players doing well. Now the other notable handsome BW player, Bisu has to step it up | ||
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tedster
984 Posts
The KESPA players are used to playing a game with many magnitudes more of decisions made per minute and with much tighter, more difficult micro being the norm. Thus, when they impose this playstyle on the opponents, said opponents make an uncharacteristic number of mistakes because they are being challenged so much more and more often. It's the same reason people played so poorly against Bisu when he hit the BW scene like a freight train. He was simply doing more things at more varied points on the map which made it much easier for less skilled players to make obvious, exploitable mistakes. | ||
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Devise
Canada1131 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26742 Posts
On August 17 2012 10:18 tedster wrote: People really don't seem to understand that the largest part of "playing poorly" is "being pressured into making mistakes". The KESPA players are used to playing a game with many magnitudes more of decisions made per minute and with much tighter, more difficult micro being the norm. Thus, when they impose this playstyle on the opponents, said opponents make an uncharacteristic number of mistakes because they are being challenged so much more and more often. It's the same reason people played so poorly against Bisu when he hit the BW scene like a freight train. He was simply doing more things at more varied points on the map which made it much easier for less skilled players to make obvious, exploitable mistakes. It's also why you see foreigners, no matter how they practice tending to be worse than Koreans. They need to practice being pushed in the manner you outlined there. It's also for this reason that I don't see Kespa players dominating the scene unless they pretty much hide away and only play amongst themselves except for tournaments. If Kespa players play against GOM players on a regular basis, and if they are more mechanically/multitasking focused, the motivated GOM players will become accustomed to this level of play and will improve themselves. | ||
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moochu
Australia374 Posts
On August 17 2012 05:41 Kipsate wrote: WoongJin Terrans SKT Zergs Oz protoss and Dark templars(to some extend) Anything on KT not Flash-Stats its all in good spirits/jest. Hey we had anytime and backho, some solid tosses. It was just those dark days where perfectman was the go to toss *shudders*. Then after him we had shy and dear who are doing pretty good in their new teams. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On August 17 2012 10:02 wozzot wrote: I just finished watching through the VODs, and this "Jaedong" person looks like a pretty solid Starcraft II player. His fundamental mechanics are impeccable, his decision-making is good, and most importantly, he seems quite popular with the ladies. Maybe he should take a shot at going pro and try playing in the Code A qualifiers Haha win | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 17 2012 11:40 moochu wrote: Hey we had anytime and backho, some solid tosses. It was just those dark days where perfectman was the go to toss *shudders*. Then after him we had shy and dear who are doing pretty good in their new teams. Its sad because OZ was going to be a Protoss powerhouse with Anytime leading the way with Shy and Dear as their rookies. They'll have Jaedong, Hiya, Shy, Dear, and Anytime...too bitter...too bitter... | ||
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Pasargadae
Korea (South)173 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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