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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
August 15 2012 11:52 GMT
#741
I thought zergs were doing well with the queen change?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
August 15 2012 11:52 GMT
#742
On August 15 2012 20:41 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:34 Dundron2000 wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:32 Scarecrow wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:30 Dundron2000 wrote:
Maybe its just super intimidating for 2nd tier Gom players to meet Kespa people.. it has to be mostly nerves

Or just players with superior mechanics making them look bad


its not a mechanical game in the way BW is so no i dont think it can be chalked down to that. shaky decision-making and hesitation in critical moments has been a recurrent theme


drg losing because of mechanics frankly doesn't seem likely.


you do realize the top kespa players most likely have better mechanics or equal to DRG right? It is practically a requirement to stay near the top in BW
tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 11:55:01
August 15 2012 11:52 GMT
#743
"zerg graveyard" haha
Come on Khaldor even thought it's no 4th favored map zerg is still favored ♥!
some stats on KR since queen patch
49%! haha ;D yeah 1% zerg favored xD
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
August 15 2012 11:52 GMT
#744
On August 15 2012 20:48 Squeegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:41 FeyFey wrote:
feels like you see foreigners fighting koreans and suddenly play 3 levels worse. I guess it is the mix of pressure, unknown opponents style(while they have an easier time studying you) and other thing and kespa players being of course good too.
I mean the kespa players really talked themself into this, we are worse we got nothing to lose kind of thing.


I think one reason why sometimes it seems like the other player is playing bad is because the winning player forces situations that are tricky. If the other player lets you play your game, then of course you will look good, but if the other player does not let you, then chances are that your play will look worse.


Yeah, it seemed that whenever anyone played Savior they just made lots and lots (and lots) of stupid mistakes. And then you look at the game more in depth, and you realised he caused the player to make those mistakes. Although Effort has a lot less finesse, he still learned a lot of tactics and playstyles from Savior.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4180 Posts
August 15 2012 11:52 GMT
#745
Aren't MVP, Nestea and MC actually a part of the Elephant? Especially MVP who was a young and promising BW terran. They just came earlier.
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silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
August 15 2012 11:53 GMT
#746
On August 15 2012 20:48 Squeegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:41 FeyFey wrote:
feels like you see foreigners fighting koreans and suddenly play 3 levels worse. I guess it is the mix of pressure, unknown opponents style(while they have an easier time studying you) and other thing and kespa players being of course good too.
I mean the kespa players really talked themself into this, we are worse we got nothing to lose kind of thing.


I think one reason why sometimes it seems like the other player is playing bad is because the winning player forces situations that are tricky. If the other player lets you play your game, then of course you will look good, but if the other player does not let you, then chances are that your play will look worse.


I think so too. I thought DRG played well, maybe not as best he could, but still playing against multitasking like Effort, DRG was plainly pushed to the limit.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 15 2012 11:53 GMT
#747
On August 15 2012 20:52 mango_destroyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:41 bo1b wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:34 Dundron2000 wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:32 Scarecrow wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:30 Dundron2000 wrote:
Maybe its just super intimidating for 2nd tier Gom players to meet Kespa people.. it has to be mostly nerves

Or just players with superior mechanics making them look bad


its not a mechanical game in the way BW is so no i dont think it can be chalked down to that. shaky decision-making and hesitation in critical moments has been a recurrent theme


drg losing because of mechanics frankly doesn't seem likely.


you do realize the top kespa players most likely have better mechanics or equal to DRG right? It is practically a requirement to stay near the top in BW


I completely agree, but I disagree that drg lost simply to being mechanically outclassed.
Savern101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom859 Posts
August 15 2012 11:53 GMT
#748
Eh, despite what everyone says about TvZ on Antiga ... TvZ: 262-265 (49.7%)
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 15 2012 11:53 GMT
#749
Losers Round 2 will be very interesting with 6 out of 7 kespa players playing
Infernal Knight
Profile Joined July 2012
United States557 Posts
August 15 2012 11:53 GMT
#750
On August 15 2012 20:52 Shock710 wrote:
I thought zergs were doing well with the queen change?


They were doing well about a month ago. Roughly around the time of Symbol's surprise loss to Seed, things have been going almost uniformly downhill.
"It's like you were running away from bears, except that the bears have the power to make forcefields." - QxC
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 15 2012 11:54 GMT
#751
On August 15 2012 20:53 silent_owl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:48 Squeegy wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:41 FeyFey wrote:
feels like you see foreigners fighting koreans and suddenly play 3 levels worse. I guess it is the mix of pressure, unknown opponents style(while they have an easier time studying you) and other thing and kespa players being of course good too.
I mean the kespa players really talked themself into this, we are worse we got nothing to lose kind of thing.


I think one reason why sometimes it seems like the other player is playing bad is because the winning player forces situations that are tricky. If the other player lets you play your game, then of course you will look good, but if the other player does not let you, then chances are that your play will look worse.


I think so too. I thought DRG played well, maybe not as best he could, but still playing against multitasking like Effort, DRG was plainly pushed to the limit.


Until effort starts dropping drg like mma does, then I respectfully disagree.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
August 15 2012 11:55 GMT
#752
On August 15 2012 20:53 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:52 mango_destroyer wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:41 bo1b wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:34 Dundron2000 wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:32 Scarecrow wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:30 Dundron2000 wrote:
Maybe its just super intimidating for 2nd tier Gom players to meet Kespa people.. it has to be mostly nerves

Or just players with superior mechanics making them look bad


its not a mechanical game in the way BW is so no i dont think it can be chalked down to that. shaky decision-making and hesitation in critical moments has been a recurrent theme


drg losing because of mechanics frankly doesn't seem likely.


you do realize the top kespa players most likely have better mechanics or equal to DRG right? It is practically a requirement to stay near the top in BW


I completely agree, but I disagree that drg lost simply to being mechanically outclassed.


nevermind.. i do agree with that then.
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
August 15 2012 11:56 GMT
#753
On August 15 2012 20:53 Infernal Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:52 Shock710 wrote:
I thought zergs were doing well with the queen change?


They were doing well about a month ago. Roughly around the time of Symbol's surprise loss to Seed, things have been going almost uniformly downhill.

I guess queens suddenly are mortal again
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4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
August 15 2012 11:56 GMT
#754
On August 15 2012 20:52 M2 wrote:
Aren't MVP, Nestea and MC actually a part of the Elephant? Especially MVP who was a young and promising BW terran. They just came earlier.

mc and nestea were nothing compared to mvp who was the only A team player switching early.
Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 11:56:53
August 15 2012 11:56 GMT
#755
On August 15 2012 20:54 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:53 silent_owl wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:48 Squeegy wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:41 FeyFey wrote:
feels like you see foreigners fighting koreans and suddenly play 3 levels worse. I guess it is the mix of pressure, unknown opponents style(while they have an easier time studying you) and other thing and kespa players being of course good too.
I mean the kespa players really talked themself into this, we are worse we got nothing to lose kind of thing.


I think one reason why sometimes it seems like the other player is playing bad is because the winning player forces situations that are tricky. If the other player lets you play your game, then of course you will look good, but if the other player does not let you, then chances are that your play will look worse.


I think so too. I thought DRG played well, maybe not as best he could, but still playing against multitasking like Effort, DRG was plainly pushed to the limit.


Until effort starts dropping drg like mma does, then I respectfully disagree.

Because zerg drops are obviously as good and often used as terran ones right?

Unless you meant dropping as in just beating.
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
August 15 2012 11:56 GMT
#756
ahhh dreamer why was the supply depot down some decent damage by B4
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
August 15 2012 11:56 GMT
#757
Speedling bust
Bora Pain minha porra!
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7997 Posts
August 15 2012 11:57 GMT
#758
seriously some gsl player games lately look like proleague games from 1-2 months ago, terrible mistakes
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 11:57:40
August 15 2012 11:57 GMT
#759
On August 15 2012 20:54 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:53 silent_owl wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:48 Squeegy wrote:
On August 15 2012 20:41 FeyFey wrote:
feels like you see foreigners fighting koreans and suddenly play 3 levels worse. I guess it is the mix of pressure, unknown opponents style(while they have an easier time studying you) and other thing and kespa players being of course good too.
I mean the kespa players really talked themself into this, we are worse we got nothing to lose kind of thing.


I think one reason why sometimes it seems like the other player is playing bad is because the winning player forces situations that are tricky. If the other player lets you play your game, then of course you will look good, but if the other player does not let you, then chances are that your play will look worse.


I think so too. I thought DRG played well, maybe not as best he could, but still playing against multitasking like Effort, DRG was plainly pushed to the limit.


Until effort starts dropping drg like mma does, then I respectfully disagree.


I think it's quite hard to argue against that Effort really did outclass DRG in game three. Game one and two might have other factors as well, but game three was almost pure mechanics. And it's not like DRG didn't put up a good fight, he did, but Effort was simply better.
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ffrozenfish
Profile Joined May 2011
820 Posts
August 15 2012 11:57 GMT
#760
On August 15 2012 20:56 4Servy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:52 M2 wrote:
Aren't MVP, Nestea and MC actually a part of the Elephant? Especially MVP who was a young and promising BW terran. They just came earlier.

mc and nestea were nothing compared to mvp who was the only A team player switching early.


I think Polt is the only "Elephant Hunter" in this tourney
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