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[Day 1] IEM Cologne 2012 - Open Bracket - Page 194

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There's no crowd today because Gamescom isn't open to the public until thursday
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 15 2012 18:15 GMT
#3861
On August 16 2012 03:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is that a potential IM teamkill I see? So hyped for tomorrow already!

Being in the same group decreases the risk of a team kill I would think, no?
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
August 15 2012 18:15 GMT
#3862
lol qualified players: Grubby and 7 koreans.

Whatever im cheering for TypeReaL, the underdog again.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
August 15 2012 18:16 GMT
#3863
On August 16 2012 03:11 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 03:06 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:58 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:53 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:46 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:41 Orek wrote:
Only 2 choices:

1. Keep those controversial languages, keep this community relatively small and not aiim at growing e-sports much because addition of more people cause more language problems.

2. Try to cater to more people to grow the community like other sports. Just like no country's team is said to have raped or murdered another country's team in olympics, we need to refrain from using some words. Sometimes, it is inconvinient, but we sacrifice it in favor of having bigger e-sports community.

You can't do both. It is our choice.

GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains

Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing

Makes sense.

Millenium series had someone getting raped as well. That series of books seemed to be a commercial success.

Did you read the books? the rape scene was used to establish the guy as a "bad guy" in the eyes of the reader. He was put to justice at the end of the 3rd book.

Fiction is fiction. When rape is portrayed in fiction (unless its some kind of perverted twisted porn) its always portrayed as a horrible, highly traumatizing experience.

Using a rape scene to establish that guy as a bad guy was absolutely irrelevant to why i brought it up. If someone is able to write a graphic rape scene without being persecuted on a forum somewhere because he brought up some horrible memories in someone, then someone on a forum should be able to write down that jyp just got raped by mvp.


You are so illogical i dont know how to respond. Feminists and anti-rape groups, womens-rights groups and anti-woman abuse grouås applauded his books for bringing the character lisbeth salander, who portrays what many innocent women go through in their lives, to the public, and the books increased peoples hostality thowards rape and rapists, not thowards the author who wrote the novels. Stieg Larsson was a feminist and womans-right activist himself and he wanted to show people how horrible and traumatizing the act of rape actually is.

The point I was making was that using a word off hand is not automatically a bad thing btw.

I can agree with you on that one. I just get very upset about it because im passionate about E-sports and if we really want our game to make it big, the community has to mature and perhaps toss some words that might offend people. In this day and era where everything has to be politically correct, you wanna be as clean as possible if you wanna get positive attention.
you no take candle
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
August 15 2012 18:17 GMT
#3864
On August 16 2012 03:15 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 03:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is that a potential IM teamkill I see? So hyped for tomorrow already!

Being in the same group decreases the risk of a team kill I would think, no?

Given how fallible both have looked today I can see them dropping sets, head to head could decide which of the two advances
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 15 2012 18:17 GMT
#3865
On August 16 2012 03:14 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 03:06 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:58 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:53 sc2holar wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:46 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:
On August 16 2012 02:41 Orek wrote:
Only 2 choices:

1. Keep those controversial languages, keep this community relatively small and not aiim at growing e-sports much because addition of more people cause more language problems.

2. Try to cater to more people to grow the community like other sports. Just like no country's team is said to have raped or murdered another country's team in olympics, we need to refrain from using some words. Sometimes, it is inconvinient, but we sacrifice it in favor of having bigger e-sports community.

You can't do both. It is our choice.

GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains

Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing

Makes sense.

Millenium series had someone getting raped as well. That series of books seemed to be a commercial success.

Did you read the books? the rape scene was used to establish the guy as a "bad guy" in the eyes of the reader. He was put to justice at the end of the 3rd book.

Fiction is fiction. When rape is portrayed in fiction (unless its some kind of perverted twisted porn) its always portrayed as a horrible, highly traumatizing experience.

Using a rape scene to establish that guy as a bad guy was absolutely irrelevant to why i brought it up. If someone is able to write a graphic rape scene without being persecuted on a forum somewhere because he brought up some horrible memories in someone, then someone on a forum should be able to write down that jyp just got raped by mvp.


You are so illogical i dont know how to respond. Feminists and anti-rape groups, womens-rights groups and anti-woman abuse grouås applauded his books for bringing the character lisbeth salander, who portrays what many innocent women go through in their lives, to the public, and the books increased peoples hostality thowards rape and rapists, not thowards the author who wrote the novels. Stieg Larsson was a feminist and womans-right activist himself and he wanted to show people how horrible and traumatizing the act of rape actually is.
Larson has a very personal relationship with rape. When he was a teen several of his friends raped a girl and he didn't act to protect her. He tried to speak the girl (named Lisbeth) later and she called him "one of them." This experience left a lasting impact on Larson. Its one of the reasons he wrote Lisneth Salanders character. It was him trying to make amends for not saving her. He also was trying to raise awareness of the horrific nature of the crime. The rape in GWTDT was extreme, unsettling, and uncensored. It was meant to be unpleasant. It wasn't just a plot device to establish a villain, it was just one piece of a greater commentary on misogyny in Scandinavian culture.

It most assuredly was not the same as someone flagrantly throwing around the word rape.

Which is exactly why I brought it up, the word has a different meaning based on the context, and that saying it offhandedly or on a forum isn't some dramatic evil associated with the word.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10135 Posts
August 15 2012 18:18 GMT
#3866
On August 16 2012 03:09 AgniKai wrote:
What the hell, how comes scrubs like minigun and demuslim got invited directly to pool play?


Well, we got better matches that way the first day. No complains here.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
August 15 2012 18:18 GMT
#3867
Besides grubby, was there any real surprises today? Talking about people who made it through, not good players that lost early on.
you no take candle
Milvus
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland400 Posts
August 15 2012 18:18 GMT
#3868
Grubby fighting!
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 15 2012 18:18 GMT
#3869
On August 16 2012 03:17 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 03:15 Dosey wrote:
On August 16 2012 03:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is that a potential IM teamkill I see? So hyped for tomorrow already!

Being in the same group decreases the risk of a team kill I would think, no?

Given how fallible both have looked today I can see them dropping sets, head to head could decide which of the two advances

Exactly my thoughts. I would be surprised if nestea makes it out tbh
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10135 Posts
August 15 2012 18:19 GMT
#3870
On August 16 2012 03:18 sc2holar wrote:
Besides grubby, was there any real surprises today? Talking about people who made it through, not good players that lost early on.


No surprises, just dissapointment.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
August 15 2012 18:22 GMT
#3871
On August 16 2012 03:14 IntelEM wrote:
We will start with a complete restream in a few minutes on esl.tv/iem.


Nice. I was kinda bummed that I didn't see any of these games. Seems like a pretty star-studded lineup.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 15 2012 18:22 GMT
#3872
On August 16 2012 03:17 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 03:15 Dosey wrote:
On August 16 2012 03:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is that a potential IM teamkill I see? So hyped for tomorrow already!

Being in the same group decreases the risk of a team kill I would think, no?

Given how fallible both have looked today I can see them dropping sets, head to head could decide which of the two advances

I think you're giving Feast, Kas, and PiG way too much credit...
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 15 2012 18:23 GMT
#3873
On August 16 2012 03:19 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 03:18 sc2holar wrote:
Besides grubby, was there any real surprises today? Talking about people who made it through, not good players that lost early on.


No surprises, just dissapointment.


Grubby has been on fire last couple months though, so not sure if it's that surprise. + Show Spoiler +
He did 2-0 Squirtle in FXO6
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 18:25:09
August 15 2012 18:23 GMT
#3874
I can agree that very few people who qualifed actually looked dominant, lots of flawed plays from champion level players. From the matches i saw, MC was the one who looked most convincing. But he always does in group/pool play
you no take candle
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 15 2012 18:25 GMT
#3875
Cause he's the boss toss :D
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
August 15 2012 18:25 GMT
#3876
sad lucifron didnt beat JYP :/ i think he shouldve done it in that matchup (not that lucifron has particularly good tvp - its more like jyp doesnt :D )
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 15 2012 18:26 GMT
#3877
I really think Grubby can take first place in his group if he stays on fire and learned a few things from playing MVP and uses this to beat Bomber. Also happy to see real doing well once again.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
August 15 2012 18:27 GMT
#3878
Must be Bomber's lucky day to score such an easy group. All the other groups have 3 Koreans but in his he's the only one.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 15 2012 18:27 GMT
#3879
Come to think, the skill of mvp and nestea at one point looked like it was going to completely eclipse mc. Look how the tables have turned
plutonowy
Profile Joined August 2011
Afghanistan287 Posts
August 15 2012 18:27 GMT
#3880
Koreans train 5x times harded then na/eu and they are full time pros

Nothing special they are top 3 every cup, they just deserved it.
Same thing coming at IEM.
Fan of gomtv code s. Best SC2. KR >>>ALL Tasteless + Artosis >>>ALL
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