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On August 16 2012 03:05 IntelEM wrote:
Our event website at esl.tv/iem or intelextrememasters.com is updated with the groups.
Group A gets PuMa and ForGG
Group B gets MVP and NesTea
Group C gets Bomber and Grubby
Group D gets MC and ReaL
really? Puma gets put in the same group as DeMusliM? dammit
and MVP and Nestea in the same group?
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On August 16 2012 03:03 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:59 scypio wrote:On August 16 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:
I don't like how terran can lose so many workers , go down to less than 30, yet his production doesn't get interfered with at all. Due to mules he still has enough income to continually produce off all his barracks. Makes this game so much less interesting to watch when 1 race can just ignore so much economic damage. Yeah, and I don't like the way zerg can remake 20 drones in 30 seconds once I fried them with my hellions. Oh wait, actually I kinda like that - races are different and there are different ways to achieve victory. Versus terran the goto strategy is sniping the production. You can get there by killing workers, but it will not be as easy. There is a significant difference there. The zergs production IS interfered with because those 20 larva are spent remaking workers and not units. The economic damage has a consequences on military production. Same can be said for protoss, yet I've seen countless games where a Terran will lose the majority of their workforce yet every single production building can maintain nonstop. Just makes me want to stop watching to be honest.
This Terran you describe has really bad macro then.
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On August 16 2012 03:06 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:58 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:53 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 02:46 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:On August 16 2012 02:41 Orek wrote:
Only 2 choices:
1. Keep those controversial languages, keep this community relatively small and not aiim at growing e-sports much because addition of more people cause more language problems.
2. Try to cater to more people to grow the community like other sports. Just like no country's team is said to have raped or murdered another country's team in olympics, we need to refrain from using some words. Sometimes, it is inconvinient, but we sacrifice it in favor of having bigger e-sports community.
You can't do both. It is our choice. GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing Makes sense. Millenium series had someone getting raped as well. That series of books seemed to be a commercial success. Did you read the books? the rape scene was used to establish the guy as a "bad guy" in the eyes of the reader. He was put to justice at the end of the 3rd book. Fiction is fiction. When rape is portrayed in fiction (unless its some kind of perverted twisted porn) its always portrayed as a horrible, highly traumatizing experience. Using a rape scene to establish that guy as a bad guy was absolutely irrelevant to why i brought it up. If someone is able to write a graphic rape scene without being persecuted on a forum somewhere because he brought up some horrible memories in someone, then someone on a forum should be able to write down that jyp just got raped by mvp. You are so illogical i dont know how to respond. Feminists and anti-rape groups, womens-rights groups and anti-woman abuse grouås applauded his books for bringing the character lisbeth salander, who portrays what many innocent women go through in their lives, to the public, and the books increased peoples hostality thowards rape and rapists, not thowards the author who wrote the novels. Stieg Larsson was a feminist and womans-right activist himself and he wanted to show people how horrible and traumatizing the act of rape actually is.
Just want to ask a question to all the people who say using the word rape is offensive, how do you guys feel about Nirvana's song "Rape Me", massively popular song. Do you turn off the radio or mute the volume when that song comes on or do you sing along with it cause you know its just a song?
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What the hell, how comes scrubs like minigun and demuslim got invited directly to pool play?
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On August 16 2012 03:08 Flanq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 03:04 Fusilero wrote:On August 16 2012 03:03 Flanq wrote:On August 16 2012 03:00 Dosey wrote:On August 16 2012 02:58 Flanq wrote:On August 16 2012 02:57 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:56 Holgerius wrote:
Will you stop the rape discussion? Jesus christ... Stop offending Christians. If we ever want to grow as a mainstream eSport, we're going to have to cut out all this negativity towards mainstream religion. + Show Spoiler + We really should ban Apollo from casting for saying "God Damnit" so much. Taking the lords name in vain is very offensive. I feel like the only solution is to burn him at the stake live before the next MLG. That'll teach those heathens! As a burn victim I take offence to your misuse of the word burn. How do you know I meant burn with fire and not just insult him a lot?! You're not the boss of me!
As a victim of both types of burning I take offence to this as well.
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On August 16 2012 03:08 Flanq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 03:04 Fusilero wrote:On August 16 2012 03:03 Flanq wrote:On August 16 2012 03:00 Dosey wrote:On August 16 2012 02:58 Flanq wrote:On August 16 2012 02:57 Shiori wrote:On August 16 2012 02:56 Holgerius wrote:
Will you stop the rape discussion? Jesus christ... Stop offending Christians. If we ever want to grow as a mainstream eSport, we're going to have to cut out all this negativity towards mainstream religion. + Show Spoiler + We really should ban Apollo from casting for saying "God Damnit" so much. Taking the lords name in vain is very offensive. I feel like the only solution is to burn him at the stake live before the next MLG. That'll teach those heathens! As a burn victim I take offence to your misuse of the word burn. How do you know I meant burn with fire and not just insult him a lot?! You're not the boss of me!
Sudden visual of Apollo tied to a stake with people standing around insulting him....
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On August 16 2012 03:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
IEM group stages are round robin? I can't see winners' format working without a multiple of 4.
Seems some will get a bye at the round of 12
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My predictions:
A - ForGG, Puma, Nerchio
B - Violet, Mvp, Nestea
C - Bomber, Elfi, Grubby
D - MC, Supernova, HasuObs
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On August 16 2012 03:01 Slider954 wrote:
Just want to ask a question to all the people who say using the word rape is offensive, how do you guys feel about Nirvana's song "Rape Me", massively popular song. Do you turn off the radio or mute the volume when that song comes on or do you sing along with it cause you know its just a song?
haha you have no idea what the real meaning/message behind that song really is.
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On August 16 2012 03:10 Simsallabin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 03:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
IEM group stages are round robin? I can't see winners' format working without a multiple of 4. Seems some will get a bye at the round of 12
IEM system is round robin, 2nd and 3rd get seeded to first round of elimination and winner of groups goes straight to the 2nd round.
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On August 16 2012 03:06 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:58 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:53 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 02:46 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:On August 16 2012 02:41 Orek wrote:
Only 2 choices:
1. Keep those controversial languages, keep this community relatively small and not aiim at growing e-sports much because addition of more people cause more language problems.
2. Try to cater to more people to grow the community like other sports. Just like no country's team is said to have raped or murdered another country's team in olympics, we need to refrain from using some words. Sometimes, it is inconvinient, but we sacrifice it in favor of having bigger e-sports community.
You can't do both. It is our choice. GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing Makes sense. Millenium series had someone getting raped as well. That series of books seemed to be a commercial success. Did you read the books? the rape scene was used to establish the guy as a "bad guy" in the eyes of the reader. He was put to justice at the end of the 3rd book. Fiction is fiction. When rape is portrayed in fiction (unless its some kind of perverted twisted porn) its always portrayed as a horrible, highly traumatizing experience. Using a rape scene to establish that guy as a bad guy was absolutely irrelevant to why i brought it up. If someone is able to write a graphic rape scene without being persecuted on a forum somewhere because he brought up some horrible memories in someone, then someone on a forum should be able to write down that jyp just got raped by mvp. You are so illogical i dont know how to respond. Feminists and anti-rape groups, womens-rights groups and anti-woman abuse grouås applauded his books for bringing the character lisbeth salander, who portrays what many innocent women go through in their lives, to the public, and the books increased peoples hostality thowards rape and rapists, not thowards the author who wrote the novels. Stieg Larsson was a feminist and womans-right activist himself and he wanted to show people how horrible and traumatizing the act of rape actually is.
The point I was making was that using a word off hand is not automatically a bad thing btw, not that Larsson wrote it down for the hell of it.
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On August 16 2012 03:09 AgniKai wrote:
What the hell, how comes scrubs like minigun and demuslim got invited directly to pool play?
They weren't invited. They won regionals to qualify.
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On August 16 2012 03:09 AgniKai wrote:
What the hell, how comes scrubs like minigun and demuslim got invited directly to pool play?
They qualified, didn't get invited
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Is that a potential IM teamkill I see? So hyped for tomorrow already!
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On August 16 2012 03:11 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 03:01 Slider954 wrote:
Just want to ask a question to all the people who say using the word rape is offensive, how do you guys feel about Nirvana's song "Rape Me", massively popular song. Do you turn off the radio or mute the volume when that song comes on or do you sing along with it cause you know its just a song? haha you have no idea what the real meaning/message behind that song really is.
That's not what I'm asking or talking about. I'm asking do you not listen to the song or find the song offensive cause it's using the word rape to entertain people. Cause that's what music is, entertainment.
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On August 16 2012 03:06 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:58 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:53 sc2holar wrote:On August 16 2012 02:46 bo1b wrote:On August 16 2012 02:45 Dosey wrote:On August 16 2012 02:41 Orek wrote:
Only 2 choices:
1. Keep those controversial languages, keep this community relatively small and not aiim at growing e-sports much because addition of more people cause more language problems.
2. Try to cater to more people to grow the community like other sports. Just like no country's team is said to have raped or murdered another country's team in olympics, we need to refrain from using some words. Sometimes, it is inconvinient, but we sacrifice it in favor of having bigger e-sports community.
You can't do both. It is our choice. GRRM can write an explicit rape scene in a book - It's a best seller and no one complains Someone mentions the word rape on a forum - The entire community is instantly labeled as cancerous and insensitive, preventing the scene from growing Makes sense. Millenium series had someone getting raped as well. That series of books seemed to be a commercial success. Did you read the books? the rape scene was used to establish the guy as a "bad guy" in the eyes of the reader. He was put to justice at the end of the 3rd book. Fiction is fiction. When rape is portrayed in fiction (unless its some kind of perverted twisted porn) its always portrayed as a horrible, highly traumatizing experience. Using a rape scene to establish that guy as a bad guy was absolutely irrelevant to why i brought it up. If someone is able to write a graphic rape scene without being persecuted on a forum somewhere because he brought up some horrible memories in someone, then someone on a forum should be able to write down that jyp just got raped by mvp. You are so illogical i dont know how to respond. Feminists and anti-rape groups, womens-rights groups and anti-woman abuse grouås applauded his books for bringing the character lisbeth salander, who portrays what many innocent women go through in their lives, to the public, and the books increased peoples hostality thowards rape and rapists, not thowards the author who wrote the novels. Stieg Larsson was a feminist and womans-right activist himself and he wanted to show people how horrible and traumatizing the act of rape actually is. Larson has a very personal relationship with rape. When he was a teen several of his friends raped a girl and he didn't act to protect her. He tried to speak the girl (named Lisbeth) later and she called him "one of them." This experience left a lasting impact on Larson. Its one of the reasons he wrote Lisneth Salanders character. It was him trying to make amends for not saving her. He also was trying to raise awareness of the horrific nature of the crime. The rape in GWTDT was extreme, unsettling, and uncensored. It was meant to be unpleasant. It wasn't just a plot device to establish a villain, it was just one piece of a greater commentary on misogyny in Scandinavian culture.
It most assuredly was not the same as someone flagrantly throwing around the word rape.
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Once again all Koreans are through to group stage apart from Grubby. Similar to MLG.
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We will start with a complete restream in a few minutes on esl.tv/iem.
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