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On August 14 2012 07:39 cosmo.6792 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:25 hasuterrans wrote:
Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly. Did infestors really get buffed? Comparing the infestors on the original retail release, versus today: Buff:Damage went from 36 pts in 8 sec, to 36 pts in 4 sec Damage went from 36 pts to 36+4 pts vs Armor Nerf:Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec Neural Parasite Range decreased from 9 to only 7. Movement Speed decreased from 2.50 to 2.25 Overall, I don't think infestors were buffed at all. The fungal growth works twice as fast, but the stun duration is only half as long. Neural parasite with range 7 has become completely useless against tanks and thors.
lol.
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On August 14 2012 07:49 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:39 cosmo.6792 wrote:On August 14 2012 07:25 hasuterrans wrote:
Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly. Did infestors really get buffed? Comparing the infestors on the original retail release, versus today: Buff:Damage went from 36 pts in 8 sec, to 36 pts in 4 sec Damage went from 36 pts to 36+4 pts vs Armor Nerf:Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec Neural Parasite Range decreased from 9 to only 7. Movement Speed decreased from 2.50 to 2.25 Overall, I don't think infestors were buffed at all. The fungal growth works twice as fast, but the stun duration is only half as long. Neural parasite with range 7 has become completely useless against tanks and thors. lol.
hahahahahahahaha "Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec" as nerf
dude u know u can spam it now faster and the dmg over time is faster too?@cosmo
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On August 14 2012 07:42 DoeniDon wrote:
Yes, they did get buffed hugely. They went from being only useful for delaying/rooting your opponent down for a while to a big DPS output and overall good unit.
It's debatable. I think people just learned to use fungal more, just as Protoss learned to use motherships more and Terrans learned to use helions more. I think infestors are no more useful today than they were in the beginning.
The DPS buff from (36 pts in 8 sec) to (36 pts in 4 sec) was huge. But the nerf in stun duration was equally huge. It used to be that a single infestor could defend an entire expansion. One fungal growth is enough to hold the harassment units for 8 seconds, which is more than enough for reinforcements to arrive. Also, all air units (like Phoenix, Vikings, or Medivacs) were as good as dead if they get caught by an 8-second fungal. 8-second fungals plus infested terrans would kill air units quite effectively. Nowadays, multiple infestors with chain-fungals would be required.
The 9-range neural parasite was actually useful against sieged tanks and thors. Now with 7-range neurals, infestors just die too easily. I don't even remember the last time I saw neural parasite in a ZvT.
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Wow, only one foreigner left.
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On August 14 2012 07:25 Sanguinarius wrote:
Man, 2 days in a row where twitch goes down during TSL :-(
Twitch didn't go down yesterday... all the other streams were fine during TSL. It was a problem on TL's part.
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I have no one to root for, wow. I lost all of them so soon!
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On August 14 2012 07:52 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:49 Hider wrote:On August 14 2012 07:39 cosmo.6792 wrote:On August 14 2012 07:25 hasuterrans wrote:
Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly. Did infestors really get buffed? Comparing the infestors on the original retail release, versus today: Buff:Damage went from 36 pts in 8 sec, to 36 pts in 4 sec Damage went from 36 pts to 36+4 pts vs Armor Nerf:Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec Neural Parasite Range decreased from 9 to only 7. Movement Speed decreased from 2.50 to 2.25 Overall, I don't think infestors were buffed at all. The fungal growth works twice as fast, but the stun duration is only half as long. Neural parasite with range 7 has become completely useless against tanks and thors. lol. hahahahahahahaha "Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec" as nerf dude u know u can spam it now faster and the dmg over time is faster too?@cosmo
dude, u don't know how to read.
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Was it 3-0 JRecco? Wasn't able to see last game because stream was down and OP isn't updated.
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On August 14 2012 07:53 cosmo.6792 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:42 DoeniDon wrote:
Yes, they did get buffed hugely. They went from being only useful for delaying/rooting your opponent down for a while to a big DPS output and overall good unit. It's debatable. I think people just learned to use fungal more, just as Protoss learned to use motherships more and Terrans learned to use helions more. I think infestors are no more useful today than they were in the beginning. The DPS buff from (36 pts in 8 sec) to (36 pts in 4 sec) was huge. But the nerf in stun duration was equally huge. It used to be that a single infestor could defend an entire expansion. One fungal growth is enough to hold the harassment units for 8 seconds, which is more than enough for reinforcements to arrive. Also, all air units (like Phoenix, Vikings, or Medivacs) were as good as dead if they get caught by an 8-second fungal. 8-second fungals plus infested terrans would kill air units quite effectively. Nowadays, multiple infestors with chain-fungals would be required. The 9-range neural parasite was actually useful against sieged tanks and thors. Now with 7-range neurals, infestors just die too easily. I don't even remember the last time I saw neural parasite in a ZvT.
Neural is fucking awesome against Thors and I dont see how holding units in place for 16 seconds while they die is worse then holding them in palce for 8 seconds before they die (normal marine drop). Why would you want to hold anything in place for 8 seconds when it could also die in 8 seconds... I dont get it.
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On August 14 2012 07:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Was it 3-0 JRecco? Wasn't able to see last game because stream was down and OP isn't updated.
Yup
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On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be.
Major has been playing with the TSL guys for awhile. He probably felt much more comfortable playing against Hyun than he did JonnyRecco.
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On August 14 2012 07:53 cosmo.6792 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:42 DoeniDon wrote:
Yes, they did get buffed hugely. They went from being only useful for delaying/rooting your opponent down for a while to a big DPS output and overall good unit. It's debatable. I think people just learned to use fungal more, just as Protoss learned to use motherships more and Terrans learned to use helions more. I think infestors are no more useful today than they were in the beginning. The DPS buff from (36 pts in 8 sec) to (36 pts in 4 sec) was huge. But the nerf in stun duration was equally huge. It used to be that a single infestor could defend an entire expansion. One fungal growth is enough to hold the harassment units for 8 seconds, which is more than enough for reinforcements to arrive. Also, all air units (like Phoenix, Vikings, or Medivacs) were as good as dead if they get caught by an 8-second fungal. 8-second fungals plus infested terrans would kill air units quite effectively. Nowadays, multiple infestors with chain-fungals would be required. The 9-range neural parasite was actually useful against sieged tanks and thors. Now with 7-range neurals, infestors just die too easily. I don't even remember the last time I saw neural parasite in a ZvT.
Unlike mothership or hellions, fungals are regularly used versus everything. zerg behind by like 100+ supply? okay, fungal a few times and now the playing field is even again.
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On August 14 2012 07:56 Niazger wrote:I dont see how holding units in place for 16 seconds while they die is worse then holding them in palce for 8 seconds before they die (normal marine drop). Why would you want to hold anything in place for 8 seconds when it could also die in 8 seconds... I dont get it.
The 8 second stun was better for defense than the 4 second stun.
A single infestor with 150 energy could hold 2 groups of marines (or 2 medivacs) in place for 8 seconds each --- more than enough time for reinforcements to arrive from across the map. Keeping 1 infestor in your expansion was usually enough to keep the expansion safe from ALL forms of harassment (banshees, medivacs, hellions). Post-patch, that is no longer the case. A single infestor at an expansion doesn't accomplish anything.
Pre-patch infestors were terrific defensive units and good offensive support units (esp with 9-range neurals). Post-patch infestors became great offensive dps units, but terrible defensive units. The faster fungal duration does absolutely nothing for defending against harassment. Those units just shake it off, and 4 seconds later they continue wrecking havoc.
I'm not saying the patch made infestors worse. I'm saying the patch changed the role of the infestors. It's a lateral change, not a buff or a nerf. But people are using infestors more now, because of the shift in metagame. It's not because the infestors became "better" units.
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On August 14 2012 08:04 starception wrote:
Unlike mothership or hellions, fungals are regularly used versus everything. zerg behind by like 100+ supply? okay, fungal a few times and now the playing field is even again.
I don't think you play zerg at all.
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On August 14 2012 07:24 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:21 hayata2.0 wrote:On August 14 2012 07:20 Zane wrote:On August 14 2012 07:19 Noonius wrote:
apparently only people with TSL+ are able to watch right now That seems like a nice perk. yeah its called a paywall They said it was on twitches end, apparently the transcode servers broke, but I don't know what that actually means or why that would mean only subscribers could access the stream.
not all subscribers could see the stream, Im not even sure the reason why some people could see the stream was related to tsl+ at all
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On August 14 2012 08:09 cosmo.6792 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 08:04 starception wrote:
Unlike mothership or hellions, fungals are regularly used versus everything. zerg behind by like 100+ supply? okay, fungal a few times and now the playing field is even again. I don't think you play zerg at all.
top 20 master Zerg right here. Well I used to play Zerg and decided it was too much of an easy race for me to play so I switched to terran. but when i was Zerg, all I did was fungal stuff and attacked with ling/bane/roach and won. I wanted a challenge so I decided to play terran. since then, I dropped off into diamond because terran is the most difficult race to play.
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On August 14 2012 08:18 starception wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 08:09 cosmo.6792 wrote:On August 14 2012 08:04 starception wrote:
Unlike mothership or hellions, fungals are regularly used versus everything. zerg behind by like 100+ supply? okay, fungal a few times and now the playing field is even again. I don't think you play zerg at all. top 20 master Zerg right here. Well I used to play Zerg and decided it was too much of an easy race for me to play so I switched to terran. but when i was Zerg, all I did was fungal stuff and attacked with ling/bane/roach and won. I wanted a challenge so I decided to play terran. since then, I dropped off into diamond because terran is the most difficult race to play.
It's ok though, your testosterone levels will have risen a lot after making that race-switch so you should be seeing some benefits from that soon enough
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On August 14 2012 07:55 SHOOG wrote:
Wow, only one foreigner left.
Foreigners are 1-13 vs koreans in TSL 4. Wouldn't really call that "wow" though, who would expect otherwise? Foreign tournaments just legitimize the GSL.
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Now Keen just has to beat Johnny and I'll be happy! <3
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On August 14 2012 07:40 starception wrote:
infestors were made slower because they got too far ahead of the army and died. idra said so on a sotg
Just because Idra said it, doesn't mean it's true.
Pre-patch infestors were already slower off-creep than any Zerg ground unit except Hydras. On-creep, infestors were the slowest zerg units (not counting queens). No way an infestor will get far ahead of a zerg army, unless they have a head start.
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