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On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be.
Perhaps because Hyun threw it instead of losing? Because Major isn't that great? Because JREcco has been noted by Tastosis and the rest as a really good zerg?
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Northern Ireland26270 Posts
On August 14 2012 07:28 Desertfaux wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:24 Qikz wrote:
I'd like to make another point to add to my "players change the metagame, not balance changes"
Remember when every zerg used to call infestors terrible as they always clumped them up and getting them EMP'd or never saving them after battles? Yeah well, look at infestors now. They've not really had any buffs per such but people are regarding them as one of the most powerful units in the game.
People just need to experiment with ravens more and I'm sure they'll get more use. Infestors got buffed AND ghosts EMP got nerved. Just saying...
Zerg are the race that ran headlong into Collosus balls with roach/hydra/corruptor for months, and whined incessantly. Most of their playstyle shifts are the direct result of buffs that the race received, or nerfs to other races. /rant 
I still think to this day that the Ghost nerf was premature. However, snipe is supposedly better against Infestors due to the bonus damage to psionic units, so maybe that's an avenue worth checking out.
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Great results today 
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On August 14 2012 07:32 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be. Perhaps because Hyun threw it instead of losing? Because Major isn't that great? Because JREcco has been noted by Tastosis and the rest as a really good zerg?
if hyun was so good he would've made a spine crawler at some point when he lost like 200 drones over the final 3 games.
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As I said in some other thread, JRecco has become my hero by knocking out Naniwa and Major.
Thumbs up.
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Northern Ireland26270 Posts
Oh and a belated well-played to JRecco, good luck with the rest of the tournament!
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On August 14 2012 07:30 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:27 Cele wrote:On August 14 2012 07:24 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Courts and civilization were doing great for nearly a thousand years before you guys decided to sack Rome. Good going! you're mistaken, we not only sacked it, we highjacked it afterwards aswell... in the holy roman empire! (; Nothing like a thousand years of cultural regression and theocracy! Show nested quote +What have the Romans done for us anyway? They built the roads!
OK but besides that what have the Romans done for us anyway! "They built the aquaducts."
Life of Brian, isn't it? Great movie.
The one with the aqueducts and roads was the Rome you guys sacked, and replaced with the witch burning and feudalism Rome.
That said, you brought us beer so all is forgiven.[/QUOTE]
nothin compares to a good bear! It's the fault of historic research focussing on the more influential agents, otherwise i could hand some pretty compliments back (; Unfortunately i don't know anything about Estonias history despite studying history for... too long ^^
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On August 14 2012 07:31 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be. Hyun really isn't that good.
he's not that good but he's that much better than jonnyrecco. jrecco is better than your average player (right now at least) but is no where near hyun's level. besides, hyun only lost to major due to cross server lag
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Code A+B players, assemble! Thinking Curious might just roll the rest of the participants 
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On August 14 2012 07:35 starception wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:31 Bagi wrote:On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be. Hyun really isn't that good. he's not that good but he's that much better than jonnyrecco. jrecco is better than your average player (right now at least) but is no where near hyun's level. besides, hyun only lost to major due to cross server lag
Cross server lag that he a) failed to wall off and b) had never a single Spine or unit to deal with BFHs raids? C'mon...
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On August 14 2012 07:25 hasuterrans wrote:
Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly.
Did infestors really get buffed? Comparing the infestors on the original retail release, versus today:
Buff:
Damage went from 36 pts in 8 sec, to 36 pts in 4 sec
Damage went from 36 pts to 36+4 pts vs Armor
Nerf:
Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec
Neural Parasite Range decreased from 9 to only 7.
Movement Speed decreased from 2.50 to 2.25
Overall, I don't think infestors were buffed at all. The fungal growth works twice as fast, but the stun duration is only half as long. Neural parasite with range 7 has become completely useless against tanks and thors.
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On August 14 2012 07:37 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:35 starception wrote:On August 14 2012 07:31 Bagi wrote:On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be. Hyun really isn't that good. he's not that good but he's that much better than jonnyrecco. jrecco is better than your average player (right now at least) but is no where near hyun's level. besides, hyun only lost to major due to cross server lag Cross server lag that he a) failed to wall off and b) had never a single Spine or unit to deal with BFHs raids? C'mon...
again, he was lagging. there was latency between the server that major was playing on and hyun's server. he couldn't make the spines in time because he was lagging when macroing. by the time he got done doing his laggy macro, he was probably going to make spines but it was too late, the hellions already came in.
On August 14 2012 07:39 cosmo.6792 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:25 hasuterrans wrote:
Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly. Did infestors really get buffed? Comparing the infestors on the original retail release, versus today: Buff:Damage went from 36 pts in 8 sec, to 36 pts in 4 sec Damage went from 36 pts to 36+4 pts vs Armor Nerf:Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec Neural Parasite Range decreased from 9 to only 7. Movement Speed decreased from 2.50 to 2.25 Overall, I don't think infestors were buffed at all. The fungal growth works twice as fast, but the stun duration is only half as long. Neural parasite with range 7 has become completely useless against tanks and thors.
infestors were made slower because they got too far ahead of the army and died. idra said so on a sotg
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On August 14 2012 07:28 opterown wrote:top 8 now!! Poll: Winner of TSL4?Creator (26) 38% Curious (12) 17% JonnyREcco (12) 17% First (8) 12% KeeN (5) 7% Life (4) 6% Hack (1) 1% Sting (1) 1% 69 total votes Your vote: Winner of TSL4? (Vote): Hack
(Vote): Creator
(Vote): Sting
(Vote): First
(Vote): Life
(Vote): Curious
(Vote): KeeN
(Vote): JonnyREcco
I would LOVE to see Jrecco win.
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On August 14 2012 07:39 cosmo.6792 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:25 hasuterrans wrote:
Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly. Did infestors really get buffed? Comparing the infestors on the original retail release, versus today: Buff:Damage went from 36 pts in 8 sec, to 36 pts in 4 sec Damage went from 36 pts to 36+4 pts vs Armor Nerf:Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec Neural Parasite Range decreased from 9 to only 7. Movement Speed decreased from 2.50 to 2.25 Overall, I don't think infestors were buffed at all. The fungal growth works twice as fast, but the stun duration is only half as long. Neural parasite with range 7 has become completely useless against tanks and thors.
Buffed fungal growth did 36 (48 vs armoured).
And you forgot that FG got nerfed too, down to 30 (40 vs armoured).
Yes, they did get buffed hugely. They went from being only useful for delaying/rooting your opponent down for a while to a big DPS output and overall good unit.
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On August 14 2012 07:35 starception wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:31 Bagi wrote:On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be. Hyun really isn't that good. he's not that good but he's that much better than jonnyrecco. jrecco is better than your average player (right now at least) but is no where near hyun's level. besides, hyun only lost to major due to cross server lag
Hyun did not lose to major due cross server lag. He lost, because he did not build spines against helions three times in a row. Lag has no influence in the decision to not build spines.
Edit: @ your next post: Lag is about two seconds on really bad days. A spine crawler build 50 seconds. That is obviously not the explanation.
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United States15275 Posts
On August 14 2012 07:42 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:35 starception wrote:On August 14 2012 07:31 Bagi wrote:On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be. Hyun really isn't that good. he's not that good but he's that much better than jonnyrecco. jrecco is better than your average player (right now at least) but is no where near hyun's level. besides, hyun only lost to major due to cross server lag Hyun did not lose to major due cross server lag. He lost, because he did not build spines against helions three times in a row. Lag has no influence in the decision to not build spines.
This is starception, the Great Troll from beyond the Wall. Resistance is futile.
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On August 14 2012 07:39 cosmo.6792 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:25 hasuterrans wrote:
Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly. Did infestors really get buffed? Comparing the infestors on the original retail release, versus today: Buff:Damage went from 36 pts in 8 sec, to 36 pts in 4 sec Damage went from 36 pts to 36+4 pts vs Armor Nerf:Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec Neural Parasite Range decreased from 9 to only 7. Movement Speed decreased from 2.50 to 2.25 Overall, I don't think infestors were buffed at all. The fungal growth works twice as fast, but the stun duration is only half as long. Neural parasite with range 7 has become completely useless against tanks and thors.
the movement speed was a buff honestly. zerg players always had their infestors leading the charge way ahead of the rest of the army. their slower speed makes them much easier to control and keep alive.
also the stun duration being lowered means the damage is dealt much faster. having the units stunned for longer really isn't that important when medivacs out heal the damage dealt easily. an 8 second stun time was actually worse than the 4 second stun time.
infestors definitely got buffed. the only actual nerf was the nerual parasite range which was just ridiculous before the nerf.
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On August 14 2012 07:39 cosmo.6792 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:25 hasuterrans wrote:
Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly. Did infestors really get buffed? Comparing the infestors on the original retail release, versus today: Buff:Damage went from 36 pts in 8 sec, to 36 pts in 4 sec Damage went from 36 pts to 36+4 pts vs Armor Nerf:Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec Neural Parasite Range decreased from 9 to only 7. Movement Speed decreased from 2.50 to 2.25 Overall, I don't think infestors were buffed at all. The fungal growth works twice as fast, but the stun duration is only half as long. Neural parasite with range 7 has become completely useless against tanks and thors.
NP was already useless against tanks. It was not effective to use it against tanks when you can drop a fungal on the rines or something instead, a tank is not a big beefy 4-6 supply unit that's worth rendering your infestor temporarily useless. Range 9 is already terrible against tanks also, and a 2.25 move speed actually makes army control easier.
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On August 14 2012 07:40 starception wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:37 TheDwf wrote:On August 14 2012 07:35 starception wrote:On August 14 2012 07:31 Bagi wrote:On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be. Hyun really isn't that good. he's not that good but he's that much better than jonnyrecco. jrecco is better than your average player (right now at least) but is no where near hyun's level. besides, hyun only lost to major due to cross server lag Cross server lag that he a) failed to wall off and b) had never a single Spine or unit to deal with BFHs raids? C'mon... again, he was lagging. there was latency between the server that major was playing on and hyun's server. he couldn't make the spines in time because he was lagging when macroing. by the time he got done doing his laggy macro, he was probably going to make spines but it was too late, the hellions already came in. Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:39 cosmo.6792 wrote:On August 14 2012 07:25 hasuterrans wrote:
Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly. Did infestors really get buffed? Comparing the infestors on the original retail release, versus today: Buff:Damage went from 36 pts in 8 sec, to 36 pts in 4 sec Damage went from 36 pts to 36+4 pts vs Armor Nerf:Stun duration went from 8 sec to only 4 sec Neural Parasite Range decreased from 9 to only 7. Movement Speed decreased from 2.50 to 2.25 Overall, I don't think infestors were buffed at all. The fungal growth works twice as fast, but the stun duration is only half as long. Neural parasite with range 7 has become completely useless against tanks and thors. infestors were made slower because they got too far ahead of the army and died. idra said so on a sotg
wasnt hyun the higher seed? therefore more games were played on Hyun's home server?
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On August 14 2012 07:43 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:42 Xoronius wrote:On August 14 2012 07:35 starception wrote:On August 14 2012 07:31 Bagi wrote:On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be. Hyun really isn't that good. he's not that good but he's that much better than jonnyrecco. jrecco is better than your average player (right now at least) but is no where near hyun's level. besides, hyun only lost to major due to cross server lag Hyun did not lose to major due cross server lag. He lost, because he did not build spines against helions three times in a row. Lag has no influence in the decision to not build spines. This is starception, the Great Troll from beyond the Wall. Resistance is futile.
Yes, I should know until know, that answering him is useless, but I sill have a bit of hope.
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