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On August 14 2012 07:24 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:21 hayata2.0 wrote:On August 14 2012 07:20 Zane wrote:On August 14 2012 07:19 Noonius wrote:
apparently only people with TSL+ are able to watch right now That seems like a nice perk. yeah its called a paywall They said it was on twitches end, apparently the transcode servers broke, but I don't know what that actually means or why that would mean only subscribers could access the stream.
Twitch's transcode server transcodes the stream you upload into all the different quality options. TSL was uploading in 1080p, which was only accessible to subscribers. So when the transcode server goes down everybody else is pretty much fucked.
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On August 14 2012 07:24 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Courts and civilization were doing great for nearly a thousand years before you guys decided to sack Rome. Good going!
you're mistaken, we not only sacked it, we highjacked it afterwards aswell... in the holy roman empire! (;
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What have the Romans done for us anyway? They built the roads!
OK but besides that what have the Romans done for us anyway! "They built the aquaducts."
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Life of Brian, isn't it? Great movie.
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On August 14 2012 07:23 starception wrote:
Sucks that major might lose...he beat hyun but he can't beat this jonnyrecco kid?
Hyun outplayed him hard though ... and then lost because he completely failed to defend against hellions.
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Well, now we know that Johnny won, since it's over and it didn't show.
I am a bit sad that I didn't get to see and rejoice as it happened.
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On August 14 2012 07:24 Qikz wrote:
I'd like to make another point to add to my "players change the metagame, not balance changes"
Remember when every zerg used to call infestors terrible as they always clumped them up and getting them EMP'd or never saving them after battles? Yeah well, look at infestors now. They've not really had any buffs per such but people are regarding them as one of the most powerful units in the game.
People just need to experiment with ravens more and I'm sure they'll get more use.
blizz gave zerg a little help by reducing emp radius by some 25%. if you think about it, infestors are even indirectly buffed by the new queen patch as they are now easier to tech to and come out in higher quantity and earlier than ever before. it has a lot to do with buffs.
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On August 14 2012 07:24 Qikz wrote:
I'd like to make another point to add to my "players change the metagame, not balance changes"
Remember when every zerg used to call infestors terrible as they always clumped them up and getting them EMP'd or never saving them after battles? Yeah well, look at infestors now. They've not really had any buffs per such but people are regarding them as one of the most powerful units in the game.
People just need to experiment with ravens more and I'm sure they'll get more use.
They still clump them up, Terrans just never get ghosts anymore, opting to get tanks instead. When broods are out they're keeping tanks back, so anything that runs forward gets fungaled with impunity.
And nerfing EMP radius is effectively an infestor buff.
That said, I'm absolutely convinced Terrans can afford a couple of ghosts simply for infestor control. The opportunity cost of producing 3-4 ghosts and letting them gather energy for cloak/emp is about equal to one denied marauder drop.
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On August 14 2012 07:21 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:19 Terranist wrote:On August 14 2012 07:17 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 14 2012 07:15 Terranist wrote:On August 14 2012 07:14 Jono7272 wrote:On August 14 2012 07:12 Qikz wrote:On August 14 2012 07:09 Sroobz wrote:On August 14 2012 07:04 Qikz wrote:On August 14 2012 07:02 Terranist wrote:On August 14 2012 07:02 Qikz wrote:
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Ravens are good in TvZ.
PDD or Hunter Seeker does a lot against the corrupters making your vikings able to deal with them and the broodlords. the only thing ravens are good at in tvz is getting fungal'd and making you instalose. Only if you're an idiot with them. Keep them behind your tanks, pull your vikings back and they're damned useful. Just because they look like they get fungalled and lead to your loss doesn't make them a bad unit. It's the players being really stupid. Yeah he's right. Ravens are so good in TvZ when you micro your marines/marauders around perfectly, keep your vikings from getting clumped, siege at perfect moments, and move around your ravens above the tanks while stimming, sieging, focus firing, and casting PDD + seeker missile against the impossible to play with zerg army of multitasking goodness. Why would you need to micro your marine marauder around? I'm not seeing why you'd ever want to when you have your tank line set up to deal with the infestors. If you move any bio forward it's going to get fungaled and you'll die and seriously I'm a high platinum/diamond Terran and I have 0 issues splitting vikings. It's almost impossible not to. just have them set into 3 groups over seperate hotkeys and attack from different angles. Ahhh, High Plat. Awesome. So how many hotkeys we talking, 1 for bio, 1 for tanks, 1 for ghosts and like 4 for you air units? Okay.. Cool. it bothers me when other races theory craft about how terran should be played at a grandmaster+ level. if ravens actually worked and didnt die to fungal every time someone made them, they would be used far more often. God it pisses me off. I have a hotkey setup specifically to give 4 useable army control groups when I play Terran and it is beyond difficult to pull off these kind of things. At least when I'm playing PvT, and losing or really working up a sweat I KNOW that my Terran opponent's hands are probably about to fall off, the discrepancy between Zerg and Terran army control is beyond a joke now. agree. in theory ghosts and ravens possibly could be a counter, but in practice there are no terran players that can pull it off yet because one fungal on the ravens is all it takes to win the game. Only if you stack them up... Why is it so hard to split your units? People split their bio against banelings at that level, I'm sure they can split a group of ravens with little to no effort. Nothing will change if nobody tries anything new. You can't expect balance changes to change the metagame for the players every time, the players need to experiment.
Shit like this is why balance discussion is pointless. It isn't as easy as just doing it. It isn't as easy as splitting the ravens. They also have to split the vikings, the marines, the medivacs. they have to spread the ravens, than run them in while keeping them spread(when you send air units forward they tend to clump like all other units), than try to save them. You have to micro the vikings separate, keeping them spread out while still attacking at a good range so they aren't able to fungal both the bio and vikings. You than also have to spread out the bio, trying to get them under the broods or in range of the infestors, but while keeping them split up. If you have tanks you have to keep the tanks focused on the infestors or they'll smash your bio from friendly fire of the broods. That is only the main battle. You have to include potential harrasment that could be going on both defensively and offensively, while macroing so you can reinforce after the fight as soon as possible. Oh, and you also have to consider that the opponent is doing his best to kill you and prevent you from microing well.
If this shit was easy than no one would watch starcraft, because it would be no big deal. People have tried to do it, usually they fail because they aren't good enough. It isn't as easy as just doing it. As time goes on people will get better and eventually probably be able to do it, and those that aren't will fall off. I'm not a top level player, but it is obvious to me that anything the top level players do is actually kind of hard. If it wasn't I wouldn't watch it because it wouldn't be cool.
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On August 14 2012 07:24 Qikz wrote:
I'd like to make another point to add to my "players change the metagame, not balance changes"
Remember when every zerg used to call infestors terrible as they always clumped them up and getting them EMP'd or never saving them after battles? Yeah well, look at infestors now. They've not really had any buffs per such but people are regarding them as one of the most powerful units in the game.
People just need to experiment with ravens more and I'm sure they'll get more use.
Infestors got buffed AND ghosts EMP got nerved. Just saying...
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On August 14 2012 07:27 mathsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:24 Eufouria wrote:On August 14 2012 07:21 hayata2.0 wrote:On August 14 2012 07:20 Zane wrote:On August 14 2012 07:19 Noonius wrote:
apparently only people with TSL+ are able to watch right now That seems like a nice perk. yeah its called a paywall They said it was on twitches end, apparently the transcode servers broke, but I don't know what that actually means or why that would mean only subscribers could access the stream. Because when you're on the "+" (720p+, 1080p+, etc) you're getting your transcode from the streamer.
You're getting the stream, not a transcode I believe, hence why dead transcode servers doesn't matter, because no transcoding occurs.
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top 8 now!!
Poll: Winner of TSL4?Creator (26) 38% Curious (12) 17% JonnyREcco (12) 17% First (8) 12% KeeN (5) 7% Life (4) 6% Hack (1) 1% Sting (1) 1% 69 total votes Your vote: Winner of TSL4? (Vote): Hack
(Vote): Creator
(Vote): Sting
(Vote): First
(Vote): Life
(Vote): Curious
(Vote): KeeN
(Vote): JonnyREcco
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Oh wait it's over?
Well, aye :|
Gratz to JR though.
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how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be.
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On August 14 2012 07:27 GaiusBaltar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:24 Eufouria wrote:On August 14 2012 07:21 hayata2.0 wrote:On August 14 2012 07:20 Zane wrote:On August 14 2012 07:19 Noonius wrote:
apparently only people with TSL+ are able to watch right now That seems like a nice perk. yeah its called a paywall They said it was on twitches end, apparently the transcode servers broke, but I don't know what that actually means or why that would mean only subscribers could access the stream. Twitch's transcode server transcodes the stream you upload into all the different quality options. TSL was uploading in 1080p, which was only accessible to subscribers. So when the transcode server goes down everybody else is pretty much fucked.
Does this mean broadcast is officially ended for today, or is it continued from vods kinda soonish?
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On August 14 2012 07:28 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:27 mathsucks wrote:On August 14 2012 07:24 Eufouria wrote:On August 14 2012 07:21 hayata2.0 wrote:On August 14 2012 07:20 Zane wrote:On August 14 2012 07:19 Noonius wrote:
apparently only people with TSL+ are able to watch right now That seems like a nice perk. yeah its called a paywall They said it was on twitches end, apparently the transcode servers broke, but I don't know what that actually means or why that would mean only subscribers could access the stream. Because when you're on the "+" (720p+, 1080p+, etc) you're getting your transcode from the streamer. You're getting the stream, not a transcode I believe, hence why dead transcode servers doesn't matter, because no transcoding occurs.
Yeah, my mistake...transcoding happens on the streamers system :/
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Life of Brian, isn't it? Great movie.
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Yes it is, I dunno this argument reminded me of it also the Eric Idle at the Olympics made me watch that scene again lol.
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Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:27 Cele wrote:On August 14 2012 07:24 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Courts and civilization were doing great for nearly a thousand years before you guys decided to sack Rome. Good going! you're mistaken, we not only sacked it, we highjacked it afterwards aswell... in the holy roman empire! (; Nothing like a thousand years of cultural regression and theocracy!
What have the Romans done for us anyway? They built the roads!
OK but besides that what have the Romans done for us anyway! "They built the aquaducts."
Life of Brian, isn't it? Great movie.
The one with the aqueducts and roads was the Rome you guys sacked, and replaced with the witch burning and feudalism Rome.
That said, you brought us beer so all is forgiven.
EDIT: fuck me, I can't even begin to understand what's breaking these tags.
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On August 14 2012 07:29 starception wrote:
how did jonnyrecco beat major when major beat hyun? makes no sense at all considering hyun is 1000000000000 times better than jonnyrecco will ever hope to be.
Hyun really isn't that good.
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this was almost as exciting as the end of game 3 taeja vs first.
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gogo JohnnyRecco, Foreign hope TSL4!!!
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