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starception
Profile Joined August 2012
205 Posts
August 13 2012 22:23 GMT
#1561
Sucks that major might lose...he beat hyun but he can't beat this jonnyrecco kid?
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12033 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1562
I'd like to make another point to add to my "players change the metagame, not balance changes"

Remember when every zerg used to call infestors terrible as they always clumped them up and getting them EMP'd or never saving them after battles? Yeah well, look at infestors now. They've not really had any buffs per such but people are regarding them as one of the most powerful units in the game.

People just need to experiment with ravens more and I'm sure they'll get more use.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Vento7
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil45 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1563
I think this was a tribute to Sayle's "buffer into GG".
ThorZaIN | DRG | Mvp | Squirtle | Jaedong | Bomber
Serek
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom459 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1564
TL copying a play from IPLs book it seems.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10342 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1565
Unfortunately Twitch's transcode servers went down during the last game. There was nothing wrong on our end. We'll try to get VODs up ASAP.
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
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Krieger
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany6 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1566
On August 14 2012 07:19 Noonius wrote:
apparently only people with TSL+ are able to watch right now


So that is how that want to increase their sales. Good timing though.
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 22:25:04
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1567
Wow still not up?
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1568
On August 14 2012 07:21 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:19 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:17 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:15 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:14 Jono7272 wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:12 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:09 Sroobz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Qikz wrote:
[quote]

Ravens are good in TvZ.

PDD or Hunter Seeker does a lot against the corrupters making your vikings able to deal with them and the broodlords.


the only thing ravens are good at in tvz is getting fungal'd and making you instalose.


Only if you're an idiot with them. Keep them behind your tanks, pull your vikings back and they're damned useful.

Just because they look like they get fungalled and lead to your loss doesn't make them a bad unit. It's the players being really stupid.


Yeah he's right. Ravens are so good in TvZ when you micro your marines/marauders around perfectly, keep your vikings from getting clumped, siege at perfect moments, and move around your ravens above the tanks while stimming, sieging, focus firing, and casting PDD + seeker missile against the impossible to play with zerg army of multitasking goodness.


Why would you need to micro your marine marauder around? I'm not seeing why you'd ever want to when you have your tank line set up to deal with the infestors. If you move any bio forward it's going to get fungaled and you'll die and seriously I'm a high platinum/diamond Terran and I have 0 issues splitting vikings. It's almost impossible not to. just have them set into 3 groups over seperate hotkeys and attack from different angles.

Ahhh, High Plat. Awesome.

So how many hotkeys we talking, 1 for bio, 1 for tanks, 1 for ghosts and like 4 for you air units? Okay.. Cool.


it bothers me when other races theory craft about how terran should be played at a grandmaster+ level. if ravens actually worked and didnt die to fungal every time someone made them, they would be used far more often.

God it pisses me off. I have a hotkey setup specifically to give 4 useable army control groups when I play Terran and it is beyond difficult to pull off these kind of things.

At least when I'm playing PvT, and losing or really working up a sweat I KNOW that my Terran opponent's hands are probably about to fall off, the discrepancy between Zerg and Terran army control is beyond a joke now.


agree. in theory ghosts and ravens possibly could be a counter, but in practice there are no terran players that can pull it off yet because one fungal on the ravens is all it takes to win the game.


Only if you stack them up... Why is it so hard to split your units? People split their bio against banelings at that level, I'm sure they can split a group of ravens with little to no effort. Nothing will change if nobody tries anything new. You can't expect balance changes to change the metagame for the players every time, the players need to experiment.


Well, not agreeing or disagreeing with anybody, I just wanted to note that terran air units are harder to split in my opinion because they are bigger in size, tend to clump up more extreme than their ground counterparts and are slow to move.
So it's only natural that people who are used to splitting bio feel like splitting air is harder. But maybe there is some easier way which just hasn't been discovered yet, who knows.
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1569
Courts and civilization were doing great for nearly a thousand years before you guys decided to sack Rome. Good going![/QUOTE]

you're mistaken, we not only sacked it, we highjacked it afterwards aswell... in the holy roman empire! (;
[/QUOTE]

Nothing like a thousand years of cultural regression and theocracy![/QUOTE]

What have the Romans done for us anyway? They built the roads!
OK but besides that what have the Romans done for us anyway! "They built the aquaducts."



In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1570
On August 14 2012 07:17 imallinson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:15 imallinson wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:13 imallinson wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:11 imallinson wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:08 ELA wrote:
According to Twitch.tv, there are 500 people still watching... You guys better start doing some live reporting man!


Major is meching, has 3 bases. JR is going for a pretty quick hive and is getting his 4th up.


17:00
Major taking his 4th JR taking his 5th. Both getting 3-3 and JR is getting greater spire and ultralisk cavern.


19:00
Major seiges up JR's center base but gets all his hellions fungalled to death and has lost most of his army. JR has countered taking out Major's 4th.


22:00
Major taking his 4th again and trying to rebuild his army. JR attacks again crushing Major's army again Major ggs.


This might get lost in all the TvZ bitching going on in this thread, but thanks so much for filling in while the stream was down for most of us. I, for one, really appreciate it! Cheers man.
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#1571
On August 14 2012 07:21 hayata2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:20 Zane wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:19 Noonius wrote:
apparently only people with TSL+ are able to watch right now

That seems like a nice perk.

yeah its called a paywall

They said it was on twitches end, apparently the transcode servers broke, but I don't know what that actually means or why that would mean only subscribers could access the stream.
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
August 13 2012 22:25 GMT
#1572
On August 14 2012 07:24 R1CH wrote:
Unfortunately Twitch's transcode servers went down during the last game. There was nothing wrong on our end. We'll try to get VODs up ASAP.



So then JREcco won the last game?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 13 2012 22:25 GMT
#1573
On August 14 2012 07:24 R1CH wrote:
Unfortunately Twitch's transcode servers went down during the last game. There was nothing wrong on our end. We'll try to get VODs up ASAP.


So JRecco 3-0?
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 22:25:47
August 13 2012 22:25 GMT
#1574
On August 14 2012 07:21 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:20 Cele wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:17 yeint wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:09 Cele wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:07 yeint wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:06 Cele wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 yeint wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Porcelina wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:01 ELA wrote:
DId stream just die?


Waxangel tripped over yet another cable at TL offices.

R1ch will have to 'do something'.


You can mail me the royalty payment check for that joke.


sorry bro, your out of luck. I joked around about it too. You shoulda claimed IP rights before posting it (;


I'll see you in court! I have prior art!


They have COURTS in Estonia? I thought civilization ended at germanys eastern border!


Courts and civilization were doing great for nearly a thousand years before you guys decided to sack Rome. Good going!


you're mistaken, we not only sacked it, we highjacked it afterwards aswell... in the holy roman empire! (;


Nothing like a thousand years of cultural regression and theocracy!


jummy! but you guys gotta decide whom you like better, us or the russians (; Now, that's a hard one, isn't it?
Broodwar for life!
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
August 13 2012 22:25 GMT
#1575
Man, 2 days in a row where twitch goes down during TSL :-(
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
August 13 2012 22:25 GMT
#1576
On August 14 2012 07:24 R1CH wrote:
Unfortunately Twitch's transcode servers went down during the last game. There was nothing wrong on our end. We'll try to get VODs up ASAP.


well clearly Recco won if everyone caught the credits and the cast is over ><
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 22:25:59
August 13 2012 22:25 GMT
#1577
On August 14 2012 07:24 Qikz wrote:
I'd like to make another point to add to my "players change the metagame, not balance changes"

Remember when every zerg used to call infestors terrible as they always clumped them up and getting them EMP'd or never saving them after battles? Yeah well, look at infestors now. They've not really had any buffs per such but people are regarding them as one of the most powerful units in the game.

People just need to experiment with ravens more and I'm sure they'll get more use.


Infestors did get buffed and after the buff zergs adopted them very quickly.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
August 13 2012 22:26 GMT
#1578
On August 14 2012 07:24 Qikz wrote:
I'd like to make another point to add to my "players change the metagame, not balance changes"

Remember when every zerg used to call infestors terrible as they always clumped them up and getting them EMP'd or never saving them after battles? Yeah well, look at infestors now. They've not really had any buffs per such but people are regarding them as one of the most powerful units in the game.

People just need to experiment with ravens more and I'm sure they'll get more use.

You know as much about patches as you do late game TvZ apparently :/
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
August 13 2012 22:26 GMT
#1579
A bit of a delight if JREcco won 3-0. A laugh in the face of all the people predicting an ezpz MajOr 3-0 and congratulating him on a free bye into ro8. Too bad MajOr isn't as good as everyone hypes him up to be, and poor JREcco is a lot better than he gets credit for.
mathsucks
Profile Joined January 2011
194 Posts
August 13 2012 22:27 GMT
#1580
On August 14 2012 07:24 Eufouria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:21 hayata2.0 wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:20 Zane wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:19 Noonius wrote:
apparently only people with TSL+ are able to watch right now

That seems like a nice perk.

yeah its called a paywall

They said it was on twitches end, apparently the transcode servers broke, but I don't know what that actually means or why that would mean only subscribers could access the stream.


Because when you're on the "+" (720p+, 1080p+, etc) you're getting your transcode from the streamer.
"Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy, it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things" -Unknown || www.twitch.tv/scmathsux
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