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On August 14 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 14 2012 06:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On August 14 2012 06:01 Supter wrote:
Ok. no more TSL for me. I don't see the point in a TSL without foreigner in it. If i just wanted to watch koreans, i would watch the GSL or WCS Korea.
Too bad. I don't understand this mentality. I have tried many times to understand.... if you don't think that way, don't try to understand it... you will only get frustrated, trust me. I do kind of get it given I was sometimes like this in brood war (No WeMadeFox = No watch for me sometimes) people like to be invested into the people they watch and I suppose they can't be invested into Koreans or something like that.
I don't have anything against Koreans, but most of them are about doing the same build over and over again. While this works, gives them wins it isn't exactly the greatest viewing experience for me... 4gate popularity times, 1/1/1 popularity times... It was just too predictable.. With foreigners they tend to do funky stuff - like Vortix went Ultras instead of Brood Lords. Don't get me wrong, I still root for guys like Boss Toss, Taeja, (put Sen somewhere, even if he is not Korean) because watching them play is an amazing experience. I just don't get the hype. And I hate "Koreans are just better" mentality, because it has nothing with them being Koreans. If it was "people training Korean style" then that's something I can get behind, because that shows some results!
EDIT:
Who should I root for? Major did not look that good versus Hyun... Recco's game I barely remember... I'd like to see more Terrans but..
SELLING MY HEART
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On August 14 2012 06:09 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2012 06:06 Diks wrote:On August 14 2012 06:05 imallinson wrote:
DJ Recco is 19-23 75% vP? Me thinks that might be a mistake. It's not a mistake, he's really that good He's better than mathematics Hahahaha They've consistently messed up player stats/ percentages... this isn't even the first day that that's happened ^^ I start to wonder if they actually have the prize money promised perhaps they have less or more than they're showing and screwed up the adding.
Hahahaha the prize pool is probably $15K + 7K + 3K +... = 1 million dollars total
( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid_StarLeague_4#Prize_Pool )
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On August 14 2012 06:11 MCDayC wrote:
As always, Major will be a true badass if he plays mech in all of the games.
the problem is that being predictable is bad, hoping for lots of mech tho 
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On August 14 2012 06:08 Qikz wrote:
I still can't understand how Vortix managed to fuck that up so many different times.
He a moved in one direction down that one ramp about 3 times? There was tanks there. Why do that? There must have been lag or something, I honestly don't get how anyone could make that mistake. If he'd have flanked he would have won.
This is so common among Zergs. This is why they said for months that Ultralisks were “useless” and such. You know, this good ol' “Ultralisks into loss” theme in the old LR threads... Then you watched the game and saw Ultralisks being a-moved into unbreakable Terran positions, and you facepalmed.
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what's the deal with the music playing for one minute then stopping for ten?
:s
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On August 14 2012 06:06 Amestir wrote:
Looking at the maps Jonny got lucky. He has Entombed 45:55 (tvz), Daybreak 43:57 and Metropolis 39:61 in a row ^^
Then again the only real Terran favored map in the pool is Antiga and each player gets a veto, so really JonnyREcco "got lucky" by picking Zerg lol
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On August 14 2012 06:10 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:09 Cele wrote:On August 14 2012 06:06 Lylat wrote:On August 14 2012 06:04 Cele wrote:On August 14 2012 06:02 Lylat wrote:On August 14 2012 06:01 Cele wrote:On August 14 2012 05:57 Extenz wrote:
Stephano whould have flanked that and killed keen 20 times. Stephano didn't even manage to qualify. Didn't even try you mean, attending two qualifier and forfeiting in one of them ... sure, it's just the most prestigous foreign tournament whatsoever. Why would he care? Since when is it the most prestigious foreign tournament ? Did I miss something ? And stop beeing lazy, just check the qualifier and you'll see. Pointless discussion anyway since he's the best foreigner why wouldn't he be able to qualify ? It´s just a silly train of thought to argue: oh Stephano woulda this, Shephano coulda that. Well actually how can you tell? I'm going to start going "Inca could have won here, inca could have done that" whenever a protoss screws up I wonder how that would go down.
We all know what it would be that Inca would've done though. In every scenario.
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On August 14 2012 06:13 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:10 Fusilero wrote:On August 14 2012 06:09 Cele wrote:On August 14 2012 06:06 Lylat wrote:On August 14 2012 06:04 Cele wrote:On August 14 2012 06:02 Lylat wrote:On August 14 2012 06:01 Cele wrote:On August 14 2012 05:57 Extenz wrote:
Stephano whould have flanked that and killed keen 20 times. Stephano didn't even manage to qualify. Didn't even try you mean, attending two qualifier and forfeiting in one of them ... sure, it's just the most prestigous foreign tournament whatsoever. Why would he care? Since when is it the most prestigious foreign tournament ? Did I miss something ? And stop beeing lazy, just check the qualifier and you'll see. Pointless discussion anyway since he's the best foreigner why wouldn't he be able to qualify ? It´s just a silly train of thought to argue: oh Stephano woulda this, Shephano coulda that. Well actually how can you tell? I'm going to start going "Inca could have won here, inca could have done that" whenever a protoss screws up I wonder how that would go down. We all know what it would be that Inca would've done though. In every scenario.
And it would have worked why? Because I said so.
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Aw no mech from Major to start out =(
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On August 14 2012 06:12 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:On August 14 2012 06:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 14 2012 06:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On August 14 2012 06:01 Supter wrote:
Ok. no more TSL for me. I don't see the point in a TSL without foreigner in it. If i just wanted to watch koreans, i would watch the GSL or WCS Korea.
Too bad. I don't understand this mentality. I have tried many times to understand.... if you don't think that way, don't try to understand it... you will only get frustrated, trust me. I do kind of get it given I was sometimes like this in brood war (No WeMadeFox = No watch for me sometimes) people like to be invested into the people they watch and I suppose they can't be invested into Koreans or something like that. I don't have anything against Koreans, but most of them are about doing the same build over and over again. While this works, gives them wins it isn't exactly the greatest viewing experience for me... 4gate popularity times, 1/1/1 popularity times... It was just too predictable.. With foreigners they tend to do funky stuff - like Vortix went Ultras instead of Brood Lords.
Erm... Vortix always heads for Ultras. How is this not being “too predictable” is beyond me.
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nazi cloak on the way according to Husky 
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United Kingdom12025 Posts
No mech? Bah! I'm going to make some tea.
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On August 14 2012 06:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:09 Fusilero wrote:On August 14 2012 06:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2012 06:06 Diks wrote:On August 14 2012 06:05 imallinson wrote:
DJ Recco is 19-23 75% vP? Me thinks that might be a mistake. It's not a mistake, he's really that good He's better than mathematics Hahahaha They've consistently messed up player stats/ percentages... this isn't even the first day that that's happened ^^ I start to wonder if they actually have the prize money promised perhaps they have less or more than they're showing and screwed up the adding. Hahahaha the prize pool is probably $15K + 7K + 3K +... = 1 million dollars total ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid_StarLeague_4#Prize_Pool )
Additionally, it is how TL will save the world when Dr. Evil makes his demands.
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On August 14 2012 06:13 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:06 Amestir wrote:
Looking at the maps Jonny got lucky. He has Entombed 45:55 (tvz), Daybreak 43:57 and Metropolis 39:61 in a row ^^ Then again the only real Terran favored map in the pool is Antiga and each player gets a veto, so really JonnyREcco "got lucky" by picking Zerg lol
51/49 same for Ohana
there is no T map in the map pool as far as TvZ goes.
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Win or lose, I love Major's play. He has a real style TvZ. It takes real boldness to buck the trend.
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On August 14 2012 06:14 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:13 The Final Boss wrote:On August 14 2012 06:06 Amestir wrote:
Looking at the maps Jonny got lucky. He has Entombed 45:55 (tvz), Daybreak 43:57 and Metropolis 39:61 in a row ^^ Then again the only real Terran favored map in the pool is Antiga and each player gets a veto, so really JonnyREcco "got lucky" by picking Zerg lol 51/49 same for Ohana there is no T map in the map pool as far as TvZ goes.
Considering the sample size, a 1 point difference is well within the margin of error.
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On August 14 2012 06:14 Qikz wrote:No mech? Bah! I'm going to make some tea.
Why do people like Mech in TvZ? I really enjoy watching mech in TvT, especially against other styles but I really don't think it's nearly as dynamic and good to watch as good Bio-based TvZ
I do appreciate how difficult it is to do mind!
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On August 14 2012 06:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On August 14 2012 06:01 Supter wrote:
Ok. no more TSL for me. I don't see the point in a TSL without foreigner in it. If i just wanted to watch koreans, i would watch the GSL or WCS Korea.
Too bad. I don't understand this mentality. I have tried many times to understand.... if you don't think that way, don't try to understand it... you will only get frustrated, trust me.
It's quite easy actually. Some people, including me, get an extra kick from a dramatic storyline along with the play. TSL, by design, pits foreigners against Koreans. It's how the qualification system is built, and it's part of the hype. It's what makes TSL unique among many other tournaments. We want to see the scrappy, underdog foreigner show a peak of brilliance in a prestigious tournament. It's the age old underdog story. If all you want is to see good play, of course you'll be fine with Koreans dominating. It's the way of things. And that's just fine, but try to understand the other perspective. There are so many tournaments, you get a bid jaded and want something extra. There are also so many foreigners with great personalities that you get hooked by if you're involved in the foreigner scene, which this community is in large part focused on.
A fully Korean TSL will have a ton of great games, but it will just be another tournament. That's nothing to scoff at, but it could be more.
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On August 14 2012 06:13 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:12 Kurumi wrote:On August 14 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:On August 14 2012 06:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 14 2012 06:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On August 14 2012 06:01 Supter wrote:
Ok. no more TSL for me. I don't see the point in a TSL without foreigner in it. If i just wanted to watch koreans, i would watch the GSL or WCS Korea.
Too bad. I don't understand this mentality. I have tried many times to understand.... if you don't think that way, don't try to understand it... you will only get frustrated, trust me. I do kind of get it given I was sometimes like this in brood war (No WeMadeFox = No watch for me sometimes) people like to be invested into the people they watch and I suppose they can't be invested into Koreans or something like that. I don't have anything against Koreans, but most of them are about doing the same build over and over again. While this works, gives them wins it isn't exactly the greatest viewing experience for me... 4gate popularity times, 1/1/1 popularity times... It was just too predictable.. With foreigners they tend to do funky stuff - like Vortix went Ultras instead of Brood Lords. Erm... Vortix always heads for Ultras. How is this not being “too predictable” is beyond me.
But Ultras are not something that every zerg does. I was watching a lot of the games and it is the first time in a while I've seen Ultras being used. Pardon me for not watching WCS Korea/GSL, I know that GSL switched to twitch lately (this means I will be able to watch them... GOMTV account did not work for me for some reason so I missed aaaaaaaaaall the stuff)
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On August 14 2012 06:15 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:14 sAsImre wrote:On August 14 2012 06:13 The Final Boss wrote:On August 14 2012 06:06 Amestir wrote:
Looking at the maps Jonny got lucky. He has Entombed 45:55 (tvz), Daybreak 43:57 and Metropolis 39:61 in a row ^^ Then again the only real Terran favored map in the pool is Antiga and each player gets a veto, so really JonnyREcco "got lucky" by picking Zerg lol 51/49 same for Ohana there is no T map in the map pool as far as TvZ goes. Considering the sample size, a 1 point difference is well within the margin of error.
even 55/45 is borderline fine, but the two others...
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EPT
