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Cainam
United States421 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On August 11 2012 04:29 Cainam wrote: I don't know why everyone is either rooting for KeSPA players to completely fail or completely crush. It seems like we should all be rooting for them to be just as good as the GSL greats so we can maybe see a nice KeSPA/eSportsFed rivalry. That's what would be best for the scene I think that's inadvertently what you're seeing by the extremes in opinions. In essence I think people are rooting for their favorite "league". Many BW fans (like myself) have invested a lot of time into the Kespa teams/players. Same for those who follow the GSL teams/players. In many ways I think this adds some fun and excitement to the matches because people have players to cheer for/against. Though the constant "X will dominate" "no they won't" does get a little tiring. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 11 2012 04:33 vesicular wrote: I think that's inadvertently what you're seeing by the extremes in opinions. In essence I think people are rooting for their favorite "league". Many BW fans (like myself) have invested a lot of time into the Kespa teams/players. Same for those who follow the GSL teams/players. In many ways I think this adds some fun and excitement to the matches because people have players to cheer for/against. Though the constant "X will dominate" "no they won't" does get a little tiring. Yep, I totally understand that BW fans cheer for the Kespa players, it makes complete sense that people will root for the players that they're most familiar with and have been following the longest. What I'm sick of is every time a Kespa player wins, we have certain people going "omg Kespa just so superior, have fun not seeing your GSL players in the future, blah blah". Can't people cheer for their favorites instead of just insulting the abilities of the opposition? It's extremely annoying and in my eyes it's just flamebaiting. I'm certain that most SC2 fans are actually excited to see what Kespa players will bring to the table and how they'll help evolve the game with awesome strategies and immaculate play (as I am), but people are simply tired of seeing their own favorite players fall under a blanket "inferior players" insult whenever a Gom player loses. | ||
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WickedBit
United States343 Posts
In any case these were good matches and people should enjoy them. Having new players in SC2 playing good games is always a good thing for the game. Having said that just watched some of the VODs and man Reality is good, he had Puzzle's number in that last game and made a couple of very stupid mistakes...Probably due to overeagerness. Roro getting through Leenock is fairly surprising. Of the two I had my bets on Reality more than Roro. As far as Alive vs Parting it seemed like Alive's multitasking seemed to slip in the last minutes of the third game where he engaged with half his army or with no micro at all on some points. That series was also pretty close. I really hope the future of PvT is builds like single collosus into templars or early tanks into bio. They seem to be pretty nice and safe builds to go into and something that they can quickly transition to putting early pressure on the opponent if the opportunity arises or just take fast 3rds. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8312 Posts
On August 11 2012 02:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Your opinion just became worthless for this post. Even if you are right about people needing to shut the fuck up with pointless arguments that neither side can possibly win. You lost all credibility with that single sentence. More on topic! Roro beat Leenock? Crazy shit, I'm surprised Reality took a game off Puzzle(He himself said he is a TvP Noob) and Go Parting! Since MC got knocked down your the toss I'm cheering for in the WR. Indeed ABear. You have opposed the will of the glorious nation of TL thus your opinion is invalidated. As such, our honourable gestapo will take you to the gulags so that we may continue to better our Glorious Nation, and the Holy Moderators that run it. Comrade Necro)Phagist( did well to bring this to our attention. Seriously, though this: Your opinion just became worthless for this post. Even if you are right about people needing to shut the fuck up with pointless arguments that neither side can possibly win. You lost all credibility with that single sentence. Is absolutely, in all ways the worst and most illogical thing I've ever read. Note that that doesn't invalidate the rest of your post, not does it invalidate you as an intelligent (albeit brainwashed) human being. Hell, even I prefer TL over Reddit. That doesn't mean that TL is perfect. It doesn't mean that nothing that happens on reddit is worth anything, and it doesn't mean that we shouldn't all be at eachother's throats the whole time. Sorry about the double negative in the last sentence. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On August 11 2012 04:46 HolyArrow wrote: Yep, I totally understand that BW fans cheer for the Kespa players, it makes complete sense that people will root for the players that they're most familiar with and have been following the longest. What I'm sick of is every time a Kespa player wins, we have certain people going "omg Kespa just so superior, have fun not seeing your GSL players in the future, blah blah". Can't people cheer for their favorites instead of just insulting the abilities of the opposition? It's extremely annoying and in my eyes it's just flamebaiting. I'm certain that most SC2 fans are actually excited to see what Kespa players will bring to the table and how they'll help evolve the game with awesome strategies and immaculate play (as I am), but people are simply tired of seeing their own favorite players fall under a blanket "inferior players" insult whenever a Gom player loses. Are you crazy? How are BroodWar players supposed to feel superior then???? I dont understand | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:55 Djin)ftw( wrote: Are you crazy? How are BroodWar players supposed to feel superior then???? I dont understand Either you really didnt try to understand his post or you are also bating... people are tired of having someone lose and then having all of their favorite players insulted and having it said they'll all be a bunch of homeless losers in another month because thats essentially what is happening. I wish TL mods would take a stand and force the communities to get along a bit better -_- | ||
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NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:59 mrtomjones wrote: Either you really didnt try to understand his post or you are also bating... people are tired of having someone lose and then having all of their favorite players insulted and having it said they'll all be a bunch of homeless losers in another month because thats essentially what is happening. I wish TL mods would take a stand and force the communities to get along a bit better -_- Force the communities to get along a bit better? The elephant article was written by a mod lol. Why would you ever think the mods want to make this site disneyland? This site was built on BW. Founders are die-hard BW fans, 100% of old-guard mods are BW fans, I'd be more surprised if they didn't feel the same way as the elephanters. It's a plain fact that at the time the article was written skill level in SC2 was atrocious. As a guy who was real passionate about the launch of SC2 and really wanted to like it... I felt really ripped off after paying for four seasons of GSL. The quality of games was just not there. Horrendous mechanics, build orders, metagame etc. It was just boring as hell to watch every ZvT end in mutas or thors or tank marine pushes, every PvP to end in 4gate, every ZvZ to end in banes or mass roaches. SC2 has come a long way since, but there was def a bad taste left in my mouth from a solid two years of horrendous games. KEspa players coming to SC2 feels a bit like the return of the messiah would for Jews. We're very excited about how TBLS and co will elevate the game to the level we're used to seeing in BW. And yes, we gleefully await the smashing of GSL chobos, because after watching them play badly for years, we are used to thinking of them as chobos. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:40 StorkHwaiting wrote: Force the communities to get along a bit better? The elephant article was written by a mod lol. Why would you ever think the mods want to make this site disneyland? This site was built on BW. Founders are die-hard BW fans, 100% of old-guard mods are BW fans, I'd be more surprised if they didn't feel the same way as the elephanters. It's a plain fact that at the time the article was written skill level in SC2 was atrocious. As a guy who was real passionate about the launch of SC2 and really wanted to like it... I felt really ripped off after paying for four seasons of GSL. The quality of games was just not there. Horrendous mechanics, build orders, metagame etc. It was just boring as hell to watch every ZvT end in mutas or thors or tank marine pushes, every PvP to end in 4gate, every ZvZ to end in banes or mass roaches. SC2 has come a long way since, but there was def a bad taste left in my mouth from a solid two years of horrendous games. KEspa players coming to SC2 feels a bit like the return of the messiah would for Jews. We're very excited about how TBLS and co will elevate the game to the level we're used to seeing in BW. And yes, we gleefully await the smashing of GSL chobos, because after watching them play badly for years, we are used to thinking of them as chobos. Well then I hope your expectations are ruined and your TBLS people come up as frauds who can only play one game. What a productive fricking conversation. Meh I'm done with this. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:40 StorkHwaiting wrote: Force the communities to get along a bit better? The elephant article was written by a mod lol. Why would you ever think the mods want to make this site disneyland? This site was built on BW. Founders are die-hard BW fans, 100% of old-guard mods are BW fans, I'd be more surprised if they didn't feel the same way as the elephanters. It's a plain fact that at the time the article was written skill level in SC2 was atrocious. As a guy who was real passionate about the launch of SC2 and really wanted to like it... I felt really ripped off after paying for four seasons of GSL. The quality of games was just not there. Horrendous mechanics, build orders, metagame etc. It was just boring as hell to watch every ZvT end in mutas or thors or tank marine pushes, every PvP to end in 4gate, every ZvZ to end in banes or mass roaches. SC2 has come a long way since, but there was def a bad taste left in my mouth from a solid two years of horrendous games. KEspa players coming to SC2 feels a bit like the return of the messiah would for Jews. We're very excited about how TBLS and co will elevate the game to the level we're used to seeing in BW. And yes, we gleefully await the smashing of GSL chobos, because after watching them play badly for years, we are used to thinking of them as chobos. The fact that you truly want to just instigate and piss people off says enough about you. Everyone here has a really easy conscious choice to make: Flame each other and fill every LR thread with angry people arguing about elephants, or not. It's really that simple. All you're doing is contributing to the problem and annoying people who otherwise welcome the introduction of all the Kespa players, and if (I certainly hope this isn't the case) TL mods are actually okay with that as you claim, then I had a lot of misplaced faith in them. The way I see it, this isn't about what anybody thinks in regards to the skill of Kespa/Gom players. This is about keeping every LR thread with Kespa vs. Gom matches from turning into a bitter BW vs. SC2 shitfest, because it's going to get old really, really fast. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
Also, I take it you weren't here for the Rekrul/Mani/Chill era of TL. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:14 StorkHwaiting wrote: I don't understand where you're coming from. All I said was I was really excited for SC2, got disappointed by the play, now Kespa players are here, I'm excited again for the future. I hope Kespa players dominate and elevate the game to their skill level. Somehow that's instigate and piss ppl off and flame etc etc. Also, I take it you weren't here for the Rekrul/Mani/Chill era of TL. So... you don't consider collectively calling all the gom players "chobos" to be instigating? | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:17 HolyArrow wrote: So... you don't consider collectively calling all the gom players "chobos" to be instigating? yeah well, compared to the rest of the A teamers (like roro, who btw was only mediocre) only MVP was kinda in the same league. Ofc that doesnt mean that it has to be the same way in SC2, on the other hand you have to ask yourself why suddenly ppl like iron[kal] (MC), Clare[Shield] (MKP) or Dream.t)SaiR (supernova) are considered to be good and even S class. Of course it could be that they evolved as players. interview sair "On TV I get nervous a lot and sometimes make mistake I would never do" Maybe he left that behind. Than again, he never won a major tournament did he? That MVP dominated, who is clearly the best BW player from the GOM players isnt surpising. What IS surprising is that ppl like nestea, MC etc win so much. Personally, I think the next months are incredibly exciting. I want to see who of the BW players fails at SC2 and who dont. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:17 HolyArrow wrote: So... you don't consider collectively calling all the gom players "chobos" to be instigating? No, I don't. Did you think a game would reach a maturation of skill in the first 2 years? When there are 2 more expos planned? I think it's more the SC2 scene that has an arrogant attitude thinking a scene that just started should have a skill level ready to take on a scene that's been developing for 13 years. SC2 is a different game, but only in the sense that it's easier than its father. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On August 11 2012 08:28 Djin)ftw( wrote: yeah well, compared to the rest of the A teamers (like roro, who btw was only mediocre) only MVP was kinda in the same league. Ofc that doesnt mean that it has to be the same way in SC2, on the other hand you have to ask yourself why suddenly ppl like iron[kal] (MC), Clare[Shield] (MKP) or Dream.t)SaiR (supernova) are considered good. Of course it could be that they evolved as players. interview sair "On TV I get nervous a lot and sometimes make mistake I would never do" Maybe he left that behind. Than again, he never won a major tournament did he? That MVP dominated, who is clearly the best BW player from the GOM players isnt surpising. What IS surprising is that ppl like nestea, MC etc win so much. Personally, I think the next months are incredibly exciting. I want to see who of the BW players fails at SC2 and who doesnt. I think it is because of the differences in the games. Someone like Nestea who doesnt seem to have the biggest APM doesnt have to worry about things like worker rally and such. MC seemed to have confidence issues and that is seemingly gone  I think that perhaps having pure APM is simply less beneficial in SC2 than it was in BW too | ||
Poopi
France12949 Posts
On August 11 2012 08:28 Djin)ftw( wrote: yeah well, compared to the rest of the A teamers (like roro, who btw was only mediocre) only MVP was kinda in the same league. Ofc that doesnt mean that it has to be the same way in SC2, on the other hand you have to ask yourself why suddenly ppl like iron[kal] (MC), Clare[Shield] (MKP) or Dream.t)SaiR (supernova) are considered to be good and even S class. Of course it could be that they evolved as players. interview sair "On TV I get nervous a lot and sometimes make mistake I would never do" Maybe he left that behind. Than again, he never won a major tournament did he? That MVP dominated, who is clearly the best BW player from the GOM players isnt surpising. What IS surprising is that ppl like nestea, MC etc win so much. Personally, I think the next months are incredibly exciting. I want to see who of the BW players fails at SC2 and who dont. Wasn't Clare young when he played BW? I didn't follow BW so can't really explain why he had no success, but he sure has talent. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On August 11 2012 08:33 mrtomjones wrote: I think it is because of the differences in the games. Someone like Nestea who doesnt seem to have the biggest APM doesnt have to worry about things like worker rally and such. MC seemed to have confidence issues and that is seemingly gone I think that perhaps having pure APM is simply less beneficial in SC2 than it was in BW tooMaybe, who knows. Maybe they just make better decisions now. Or have better understanding of timings and engagements. Or maybe the competition wasnt just as good as it was in BW. Time will tell. | ||
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