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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
August 09 2012 12:54 GMT
#1501
On August 09 2012 21:48 Fody03 wrote:
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On August 09 2012 21:46 Herry wrote:
No more games what do i do now


you can follow the Naniwa-Incontrol drama on Twitter


Whats this about? I do love some good drama
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
August 09 2012 12:54 GMT
#1502
For any new RorO fanboys y'all should head on over to his new fanclub (just for you opterown ) and give him some love!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359270#1
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
August 09 2012 12:54 GMT
#1503
On August 09 2012 21:51 opterown wrote:
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On August 09 2012 21:50 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:48 opterown wrote:
i got WR2 Day 1 up :D


How do you know which matches it is? :o was looking at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Asia/Nationals/South_Korea and just assumed the top 4 groups would play first.

it was on stream they ones that they would show :D


Looking at http://www.gomtv.net/schedule/index.gom it's only 3 matches as well. They are maybe updating it. Oh well, crazy if Leenock has to play again tomorrow, even if it is on the same terms as roro. 1 Day preparation for both is fair but unusual
리노크 👑
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
August 09 2012 12:55 GMT
#1504
On August 09 2012 21:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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On August 09 2012 21:50 snafoo wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/


No. If you don't know what your opponent is doing, you get a zealot. Not doing so is greedy and MC got punished for it.


but he DID know what he was doing, he scouted 3 base no gas.... Leenock went for something extremely unconventional.


Unconventional but possible. I still think it's greedy to ever skip a zealot vs 3 hatch, dunno. I personally like to be prepared against anything that's possible. People have been canceling hatches on me a few times.


So terran should never 14cc against zerg? Zerg should never hatchfirst without scouting the whole map for proxy 2rax(alot dont - even in tournaments) etc etc. There's so many risky openers pro players do simply because the response to kill them is extremely unlikely to blindly occur...
RandomRice
Profile Joined January 2011
United States303 Posts
August 09 2012 12:55 GMT
#1505
On August 09 2012 21:53 Toadvine wrote:
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On August 09 2012 21:51 RandomRice wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:49 FeyFey wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


well this build is out there for a couple of weeks already, so that everyone should be aware of it. Stangely it still works. We will probably see it every now and then from zergs in the future against people that don't scout properly.
a good zerg won't let you scout this =)


Pretty sure MC could've seen more than 6 lings if he just moved out with a probe. That's enough to prompt a full wall-off, or at least it should be.


Leenock had his inital 4-6 lings parked outside MC's nat. If he spots a scout move out he can easily move his huge ling mass out of the scouting path
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
August 09 2012 12:55 GMT
#1506
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 12:57 GMT
#1507
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...

but you get the wall up instantly to block the zerglings etc
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RandomRice
Profile Joined January 2011
United States303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 12:58:08
August 09 2012 12:57 GMT
#1508
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
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On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...

whats your point? the pylon block would be a instawin vs slow ling runby but you wouldnt build it if you didnt have to
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
August 09 2012 12:58 GMT
#1509
On August 09 2012 21:48 Fody03 wrote:
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On August 09 2012 21:46 Herry wrote:
No more games what do i do now


you can follow the Naniwa-Incontrol drama on Twitter


What the hell did happen?
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
August 09 2012 12:58 GMT
#1510
On August 09 2012 21:57 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...

but you get the wall up instantly to block the zerglings etc


True, but MC cut a corner and paid for a dearly. I'd rather he make that Zealot rather than dumping 100 minerals into a Pylon which he'd later destroy anyway.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
August 09 2012 12:58 GMT
#1511
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...


... Do you really not understand the difference between always building a Zealot and reactively building a pylon in the rare occasion when it's required?
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
August 09 2012 12:59 GMT
#1512
Skipping zealot, cuting corners etc... is actually what makes MC's timing push and overall play so strong, aswell for other pros. You can't say a zealot is just 100 minerals, a second canon is just 150, early scout doesn"t cost that much etc, MC should have scouted more, but I guess he was confident Leenock wasn't going for something cheesy.

That looks ugly from a viewer point of view, but that was beautiful play by Leenock.
RandomRice
Profile Joined January 2011
United States303 Posts
August 09 2012 12:59 GMT
#1513
On August 09 2012 21:58 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...


... Do you really not understand the difference between always building a Zealot and reactively building a pylon in the rare occasion when it's required?

Seriously, my mind is blown by the comments regarding this game..
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
August 09 2012 13:00 GMT
#1514
On August 09 2012 21:57 RandomRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...

whats your point? the pylon block would be a instawin vs slow ling runby but you wouldnt build it if you didnt have to


My point is, MC cut a corner and paid for it. Trying to stem a tide by MAYBE getting a pylon wall down if those lings aren't even in the space where building a Pylon would wall it off (that's a big WHAT IF) is too big a gamble.
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
August 09 2012 13:02 GMT
#1515
On August 09 2012 21:58 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...


... Do you really not understand the difference between always building a Zealot and reactively building a pylon in the rare occasion when it's required?


I do. Do you not understand the amount of lings in the SPACE where the Pylon would wall off would prevent that?

You're basing this Pylon walloff on the scenario where Lings aren't even in the space where you could wall it off. But they were there instantaneously when they rolled right in and took down the cannon. You're playing a big WHAT IF here.

I'm playing the build a Zealot and play it standard and safe.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 13:03 GMT
#1516
On August 09 2012 22:00 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:57 RandomRice wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...

whats your point? the pylon block would be a instawin vs slow ling runby but you wouldnt build it if you didnt have to


My point is, MC cut a corner and paid for it. Trying to stem a tide by MAYBE getting a pylon wall down if those lings aren't even in the space where building a Pylon would wall it off (that's a big WHAT IF) is too big a gamble.

yeah, of course. MC knew that he was cutting a corner, but that corner might be the extra 5 seconds that his 8gate hits earlier just before 20 lings pop or something :D
calculated risk that didn't work this time
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 09 2012 13:03 GMT
#1517
장민철 ‏@sk__mc

FML
RandomRice
Profile Joined January 2011
United States303 Posts
August 09 2012 13:04 GMT
#1518
On August 09 2012 22:03 AxionSteel wrote:
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장민철 ‏@sk__mc

FML

hahahaha, I think anyone who loses to the slow ling runby would have the same reaction
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 09 2012 13:06 GMT
#1519
Goddamn

I'm never LBing against Leenock again, MC or not... I don't remember when was the last time I got a correct LB when I bet against Leenock.
ffxiv enjoyer
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 13:07:50
August 09 2012 13:06 GMT
#1520
Basically, Leenock give MC his own taste of his medicine and mind-gamed him.
These type of strategy will almost never ever work in high level play
Slow-Ling all-in.lollll
MC got bopped.
I guess Leenock is one of the few who can make shit like this work
(Reminiscent of 6 pool against Alive when Alive 1 rax FE)

MC got too greedy and did not scout properly.
Pretty embarassing to lose to such thing actually.
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