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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 13:07 GMT
#1521
some pics!

http://leveltory.com/14197
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RandomRice
Profile Joined January 2011
United States303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 13:11:14
August 09 2012 13:10 GMT
#1522
On August 09 2012 22:06 FakeDeath wrote:
Basically, Leenock give MC his own taste of his medicine and mind-gamed him.
These type of strategy will almost never ever work in high level play
Slow-Ling all-in.lollll
MC got bopped.
I guess Leenock is one of the few who can make shit like this work
(Reminiscent of 6 pool against Alive when Alive 1 rax FE)

MC got too greedy and did not scout properly.
Pretty embarassing to lose to such thing actually.

On the contrary, I think this would only work in high level play.
What good protoss player makes a zealot and just have it sit at the wall and hold position on the .01% chance my zerg opponent is doing a slow ling runby?
have you seen ANY good protoss make a zealot and have it hold position at home?
no, its on the map trying to get map control against the 2-6 lings the zerg might have, not trying to blind counter the possiblity that the zerg makes 40 slow lings and just walks it into your natural
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 13:11:25
August 09 2012 13:11 GMT
#1523
On August 09 2012 22:03 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 22:00 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:57 RandomRice wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...

whats your point? the pylon block would be a instawin vs slow ling runby but you wouldnt build it if you didnt have to


My point is, MC cut a corner and paid for it. Trying to stem a tide by MAYBE getting a pylon wall down if those lings aren't even in the space where building a Pylon would wall it off (that's a big WHAT IF) is too big a gamble.

yeah, of course. MC knew that he was cutting a corner, but that corner might be the extra 5 seconds that his 8gate hits earlier just before 20 lings pop or something :D
calculated risk that didn't work this time


Well other zergs he can cut corners.
But if you are playing against zergs like Leenock,Life,Suho who won't hesitate to just dish out unconventional all-ins anytime,
better be safe than sorry and just make that zealot or make a full walloff or just have a probe do the block for a short time..
Play your best
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6122 Posts
August 09 2012 13:11 GMT
#1524
Nice to see leenock winning. Too much protoss players.
#1 Terran hater
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
August 09 2012 13:14 GMT
#1525
On August 09 2012 22:10 RandomRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 22:06 FakeDeath wrote:
Basically, Leenock give MC his own taste of his medicine and mind-gamed him.
These type of strategy will almost never ever work in high level play
Slow-Ling all-in.lollll
MC got bopped.
I guess Leenock is one of the few who can make shit like this work
(Reminiscent of 6 pool against Alive when Alive 1 rax FE)

MC got too greedy and did not scout properly.
Pretty embarassing to lose to such thing actually.

On the contrary, I think this would only work in high level play.
What good protoss player makes a zealot and just have it sit at the wall and hold position on the .01% chance my zerg opponent is doing a slow ling runby?
have you seen ANY good protoss make a zealot and have it hold position at home?
no, its on the map trying to get map control against the 2-6 lings the zerg might have, not trying to blind counter the possiblity that the zerg makes 40 slow lings and just walks it into your natural


Well i agreed with this.
Play your best
redc
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia81 Posts
August 09 2012 13:17 GMT
#1526
Leenock outbossed the bosstoss, the tears raining down from the fans of MC are just the icing on the cake.
Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
August 09 2012 13:23 GMT
#1527
rawrrr, I overslept and missed RorO T_T oh well, he won! KHAN hwaiting!

Any interviews gonna be coming up?
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
August 09 2012 13:25 GMT
#1528
On August 09 2012 22:17 redc wrote:
Leenock outbossed the bosstoss, the tears raining down from the fans of MC are just the icing on the cake.


There don't to be many tears from what I can tell honestly, most people seem to be arguing about whether taking risks like that are worth it. Which they obviously are, because EVERY player takes similar risks.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
August 09 2012 13:28 GMT
#1529
When will the interviews be up?
Play your best
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
August 09 2012 13:35 GMT
#1530
On August 09 2012 22:02 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:58 Toadvine wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


You do realize walling off a Pylon costs 100 minerals right? Those same 100 minerals that would cost to make a Zealot...


... Do you really not understand the difference between always building a Zealot and reactively building a pylon in the rare occasion when it's required?


I do. Do you not understand the amount of lings in the SPACE where the Pylon would wall off would prevent that?

You're basing this Pylon walloff on the scenario where Lings aren't even in the space where you could wall it off. But they were there instantaneously when they rolled right in and took down the cannon. You're playing a big WHAT IF here.

I'm playing the build a Zealot and play it standard and safe.


If he had as much as a suspicion that Leenock wasn't playing standard, he'd have a probe in place, ready to build it. It's MC man, he FFs perfectly on two fronts against speedlings, building a pylon before slow lings block it is not beyond his capabilities.

He lost because he did not see the attack coming at all, because he didn't really scout beyond confirming the third. It's a stupid one time loss, he will continue to not build the Zealot, and never lose to this again.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 13:39 GMT
#1531
On August 09 2012 22:28 FakeDeath wrote:
When will the interviews be up?

whenever they're done translating! :D
doesn't sound like much help haha, but translators are all volunteers so it's up to then if/when they have free time and want to help we have a pretty awesome crew
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TL+ Member
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 09 2012 14:19 GMT
#1532
Woah, Khan players owning it up. Reality advancing yesterday and RorO advancing today, not to mention Jangbi looking formidable whenever he plays SC2 despite practicing for an OSL finals.

I was once worried that Khan might not do well in SC2 since they lack an SC2 coach, but some of their players are looking strong at least. Let's hope Stork picks up the pace and starts becoming more formidable in his own right.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
August 09 2012 14:20 GMT
#1533
MC lost? Wow. Guess Roro just got the chance of a lifetime at advancing even further...
#freeshauni
starception
Profile Joined August 2012
205 Posts
August 09 2012 14:23 GMT
#1534
Wow old champs are falling…MC, Mvp, DRG. Oh well, my prediction of MC losing to Leenock because he lost to Nerchio and Stephano were correct.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 14:24 GMT
#1535
On August 09 2012 23:23 starception wrote:
Wow old champs are falling…MC, Mvp, DRG. Oh well, my prediction of MC losing to Leenock because he lost to Nerchio and Stephano were correct.

yeah, only zergs on foreigner teams can beat MC ;D
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 09 2012 14:33 GMT
#1536
On August 09 2012 22:07 opterown wrote:
some pics!

http://leveltory.com/14197

logitech g9x the mini optical of Sc2

if i dont see wrong
Stork[gm]
Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
August 09 2012 14:45 GMT
#1537
On August 09 2012 23:19 eviltomahawk wrote:
Woah, Khan players owning it up. Reality advancing yesterday and RorO advancing today, not to mention Jangbi looking formidable whenever he plays SC2 despite practicing for an OSL finals.

I was once worried that Khan might not do well in SC2 since they lack an SC2 coach, but some of their players are looking strong at least. Let's hope Stork picks up the pace and starts becoming more formidable in his own right.

I'd say that Stork has already picked up his pace, he's looked impressive lately when playing sc2 so khan must definitely be doing something right.
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
August 09 2012 14:51 GMT
#1538
On August 09 2012 23:45 Darneck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 23:19 eviltomahawk wrote:
Woah, Khan players owning it up. Reality advancing yesterday and RorO advancing today, not to mention Jangbi looking formidable whenever he plays SC2 despite practicing for an OSL finals.

I was once worried that Khan might not do well in SC2 since they lack an SC2 coach, but some of their players are looking strong at least. Let's hope Stork picks up the pace and starts becoming more formidable in his own right.

I'd say that Stork has already picked up his pace, he's looked impressive lately when playing sc2 so khan must definitely be doing something right.

I agree. In my opinion Khan is the best team in sc2 at the moment, followed by Team 8 and Woongjin
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DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
August 09 2012 14:52 GMT
#1539
Congrats to RoRo and Leenock, great play! Leenock's build in the final game was risky beyond belief.
cHicKeLoR
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany559 Posts
August 09 2012 15:05 GMT
#1540
yeah roro made it. fighting! ~
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