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Fody03
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy310 Posts
August 09 2012 12:48 GMT
#1481
On August 09 2012 21:46 Herry wrote:
No more games what do i do now


you can follow the Naniwa-Incontrol drama on Twitter
Terrans
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
August 09 2012 12:48 GMT
#1482
Why are people making a big deal out of being overly greedy? It's completely common. It's like terran going 14cc/not walling with 2 depot-rax and dieing to early pool(I remember a daybreak game awhile back in GSl it was 10pool vs 14cc). It only works because it's not expected at all, because its extremely non-standard.
An2quamaraN
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland379 Posts
August 09 2012 12:48 GMT
#1483
On August 09 2012 21:46 Herry wrote:
No more games what do i do now


Go play SC as zerg and do this strat what Leenock did which won't work even in silver league.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 12:49:08
August 09 2012 12:48 GMT
#1484
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/


No. If you don't know what your opponent is doing, you get a zealot. Not doing so is greedy and MC got punished for it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 12:48 GMT
#1485
i got WR2 Day 1 up :D
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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RandomRice
Profile Joined January 2011
United States303 Posts
August 09 2012 12:49 GMT
#1486
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.

I agree. Its pretty standard for protoss players to skip zealot because if you scout gasless 3 hatch this is like the only thing that you could lose to until the 7-8 minute mark. The beauty is even if he makes a zealot you usually put it out on the map for map control vs the zerg's 2-6 lings and the zerglings can just run out of the zealots vision/watchtower vision.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
August 09 2012 12:49 GMT
#1487
On August 09 2012 21:48 An2quamaraN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:46 Herry wrote:
No more games what do i do now


Go play SC as zerg and do this strat what Leenock did which won't work even in silver league.


Some strats only work in high lvl play. Like gas cancels
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 09 2012 12:49 GMT
#1488
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


well this build is out there for a couple of weeks already, so that everyone should be aware of it. Stangely it still works. We will probably see it every now and then from zergs in the future against people that don't scout properly.
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
August 09 2012 12:50 GMT
#1489
On August 09 2012 21:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/


No. If you don't know what your opponent is doing, you get a zealot. Not doing so is greedy and MC got punished for it.


but he DID know what he was doing, he scouted 3 base no gas.... Leenock went for something extremely unconventional.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 09 2012 12:50 GMT
#1490
Wow look at all the mad MC fans.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
August 09 2012 12:50 GMT
#1491
On August 09 2012 21:46 Pipeline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:42 Toadvine wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:41 silent_owl wrote:
WHAT THE HELL!? WHY WOULD YOU SKIP THE FIRST ZEALOT!?


Because you don't need it. Leenock's build only worked because it was so unexpected.


Dont argue that you can skip the first zealot. Losing a Bo3 because of 100 minerals and delaying a probe by 5-8 seconds can never be justified.


You can skip it 100% safely against a no-gas opening. MC could have easily defended if he had just scouted a bit more. As a pro player, you always want to make that kind of trade. Whether you make the Zealot in a PvZ is not a question of greed/safety.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
August 09 2012 12:50 GMT
#1492
Fine. I admit I posted that out of frustration. At least there's a loser's bracket and at least Seed is still in the tournament.

Man, Seed is winning me over though.

It's okay, MC! You can come back!
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
August 09 2012 12:50 GMT
#1493
On August 09 2012 21:48 opterown wrote:
i got WR2 Day 1 up :D


How do you know which matches it is? :o was looking at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Asia/Nationals/South_Korea and just assumed the top 4 groups would play first.
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RandomRice
Profile Joined January 2011
United States303 Posts
August 09 2012 12:51 GMT
#1494
On August 09 2012 21:49 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


well this build is out there for a couple of weeks already, so that everyone should be aware of it. Stangely it still works. We will probably see it every now and then from zergs in the future against people that don't scout properly.
a good zerg won't let you scout this =)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 12:51 GMT
#1495
On August 09 2012 21:50 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:48 opterown wrote:
i got WR2 Day 1 up :D


How do you know which matches it is? :o was looking at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Asia/Nationals/South_Korea and just assumed the top 4 groups would play first.

it was on stream they ones that they would show :D
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TL+ Member
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
August 09 2012 12:52 GMT
#1496
On August 09 2012 21:50 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:46 Pipeline wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:42 Toadvine wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:41 silent_owl wrote:
WHAT THE HELL!? WHY WOULD YOU SKIP THE FIRST ZEALOT!?


Because you don't need it. Leenock's build only worked because it was so unexpected.


Dont argue that you can skip the first zealot. Losing a Bo3 because of 100 minerals and delaying a probe by 5-8 seconds can never be justified.


You can skip it 100% safely against a no-gas opening. MC could have easily defended if he had just scouted a bit more. As a pro player, you always want to make that kind of trade. Whether you make the Zealot in a PvZ is not a question of greed/safety.


Looking at the game with a clear head now, I think MC should have been more active as well with his scouting. He had nothing on the Xelnaga towers (which is also a result of not having any units to put in there).

Well-played by the octopus though. Give him credit where it is due.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 09 2012 12:52 GMT
#1497
On August 09 2012 21:50 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/


No. If you don't know what your opponent is doing, you get a zealot. Not doing so is greedy and MC got punished for it.


but he DID know what he was doing, he scouted 3 base no gas.... Leenock went for something extremely unconventional.


Unconventional but possible. I still think it's greedy to ever skip a zealot vs 3 hatch, dunno. I personally like to be prepared against anything that's possible. People have been canceling hatches on me a few times.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
August 09 2012 12:53 GMT
#1498
On August 09 2012 21:51 RandomRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:49 FeyFey wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:45 Toadvine wrote:
All of you "WHY NOT BUILD ZEALOT SO GREEDY" guys are completely ignorant. :/ He could have simply completed his wall with a pylon and been fine. He lost because it didn't even occur to him that what Leenock did was even possible. It's a one shot cheese that will never work again.


well this build is out there for a couple of weeks already, so that everyone should be aware of it. Stangely it still works. We will probably see it every now and then from zergs in the future against people that don't scout properly.
a good zerg won't let you scout this =)


Pretty sure MC could've seen more than 6 lings if he just moved out with a probe. That's enough to prompt a full wall-off, or at least it should be.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
SeriouR
Profile Joined November 2010
Spain622 Posts
August 09 2012 12:53 GMT
#1499
Third level mind game. Leenock can do that but he knows MC knows too well he won't do that so he does that and MC is not prepared.
Trance music makes the fairys dance
Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
August 09 2012 12:53 GMT
#1500
On August 09 2012 21:43 MCDayC wrote:
wait what, its over already!?!! wtf I went for some yogurt and its already done.


yeah wth, I just scratched my eye for few seconds and the game was over? W00t happened guys?!
"MC" -> Master of Ceremonies xD
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