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On August 07 2012 00:14 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:06 transcendent one wrote:
i only read the last 3-4 pages but there seem to be people who get some kind of perverted satisfaction because guys who been playing sc2 FOR A MUCH MUCH MUCH SHORTER TIME than current hot sc2 pros are not destroying those sc2 pros.
how idiotic can people be lol. the guys who cant comprehend why it happens like this should never post here ever. did anyone ever say bw pros will dominate the scene as soon as they switch? give them a few months. they are still probably practicing bw for pl... Actually, yes. Every BW elitist, which was a lot of people, did for the past 2 years. Maybe you should do more research before you start shitting on people, or you'll look as silly as you do now. I mean, my day wasn't made because Jaedong lost to Alive, but I smirked when I thought about that "Elephant in the Room" article and the last 2 years of "Yeah well, all you SC2 progamers/viewers better watch yourself, even the BW b-teamers are going to wreck you when they do switch." Thought SC2 was super easy? Thought it was dumbed down? Thought Flash was a god that would kick Mr. Chae in the balls and steal his toys before tearing MC's arms off? I think everyone who had to sit through that deserves a few chuckles at the elitist's expense. Especially considering the BW elitists would regularly go into SC2 threads just to throw the shit, then bitch when some jackass SC2 fan would venture into the BW forums and troll. It's some good old fashioned schadenfreude, and I don't think it's completely uncalled for.
This makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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On August 07 2012 00:07 Easy_Messi wrote:
Attention plz! I want to ask a quetion that whether parting has the best pvt in the world. My friend and I have a heated argument on this topic. I think parting's performance today is good but not excellent. And beating SC with 2:0 doesn't mean parting has a very top level pvt.
By the way, can someone give me some vods where parting beat top terrans or just some example. thx
my English is quite poor. Hope I can be understood > <
I guess you'll be looking for the season 2 for 2012 in GSL perhaps? That's the season where he made his claim to fame with wins over Polt, ForGG, TheSTC and MKP. Was basically a who's-who of terran for the season until he fell to MVP.
It looks like the best PvT around (not that I've seen today's games). Unfortunately Parting's PvZ looks to be a weakness, but not of the level where's he's irrelevant if we're talking top x Protoss players. x comes down to opinion of course. Some may make him top 3, others top 10. Imo he's just outside a top 3 with Squirtle, Seed and MC at the top. It's then probably debatable between Genius, Puzzle and Parting for the next 3. Creator, Hero, Naniwa beyond that.
San I have no idea. He's either one of the best protoss players around or so-so. I can't read his power level =/
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO, I thought D1 was tomorrow 
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On August 06 2012 23:49 Probe1 wrote:You've never seen that anywhere else.. like during late 2010 and the first half of 2011 when Nestea popularized expand first builds by holding off 7/8 pools? 
I'm a big fan of Nestea, but the way JD micro'ed it seemed even a step higher to me.
Not saying JD is better, far from it, but he has all the foundations imho :-)
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Going off the record and saying Curious is the most underrated player in GSL and has been for a very long time, when he's on he is fucking dominant
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On August 07 2012 00:21 eden-san wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:49 Probe1 wrote:You've never seen that anywhere else.. like during late 2010 and the first half of 2011 when Nestea popularized expand first builds by holding off 7/8 pools? I'm a big fan of Nestea, but the way JD micro'ed it seemed even a step higher to me. Not saying JD is better, far from it, but he has all the foundations imho :-)
What micro? :S
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On August 07 2012 00:15 Greendotz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:59 Hoon wrote:
Isn't WCS from Blizzard?
Why do we have to pay GOM to watch the VODs? =( I was thinking this too. It was my assumption that Blizzard was providing the prize money for all events. If this was the case it seems wrong for GOM to profit of it in this manner. Does GOM own the monopoly on all Korean Starcraft? I realise this was probably addressed several times earlier, but can't be arsed to read through a 100+ page thread :\
Prize money is only one of the costs involved in running a tournament. The subscriptions cover the cost of the english production. There's a list of about 15 people at the end of every gsl broadcast that are involved in the english production side.
Also unlike regular gsl events, the vods will be available to everybody after 1 week.
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Not really surprised by the results. I'm a BW fan, not a retarded FANBOY who let his love of the game blind him into seeing just how far behind the KESPA players are in actual knowledge of the newer game. Still, it's reassuring to see how quickly their skills are increasing. Can't wait to see which Kespa players hit their stride now that BW is over.
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On August 07 2012 00:24 Grampz wrote:
Going off the record and saying Curious is the most underrated player in GSL and has been for a very long time, when he's on he is fucking dominant
Between him and aLive I think.
Oh and Yoda, because he's the best player in IM.
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On August 06 2012 22:10 Levistus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:33 jellyjello wrote:On August 06 2012 21:24 Wildmoon wrote:
What I find funny is what people said that TBLS and other top BW pros are naturally gifted at RTS game so they will dominate SC2 too. The only thing we know now is that they are gifted at BW not other games. We can't be so sure that they will dominate. Other players from Kespa may replace them. Apparently you missed out on the quote from Clide about Flash. what did clide say about flash? i think flash is really good. i noticed his losses were BO losses. he's probably still experimenting.
Q: What do you think of Flash's play?
A: I was surprised by his plays because he is such a talented player. Watching his plays from his POV made me realize that talent is something you are born with. He is playing so well even though he doesn't understand very fine subtle details. (TN: meaning Clide doesn't get how Flash is winning despite not understanding the game fully. Imagine what would happen once he gets a full grasp of the game)
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On August 07 2012 00:14 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:06 transcendent one wrote:
i only read the last 3-4 pages but there seem to be people who get some kind of perverted satisfaction because guys who been playing sc2 FOR A MUCH MUCH MUCH SHORTER TIME than current hot sc2 pros are not destroying those sc2 pros.
how idiotic can people be lol. the guys who cant comprehend why it happens like this should never post here ever. did anyone ever say bw pros will dominate the scene as soon as they switch? give them a few months. they are still probably practicing bw for pl... Actually, yes. Every BW elitist, which was a lot of people, did for the past 2 years. Maybe you should do more research before you start shitting on people, or you'll look as silly as you do now. I mean, my day wasn't made because Jaedong lost to Alive, but I smirked when I thought about that "Elephant in the Room" article and the last 2 years of "Yeah well, all you SC2 progamers/viewers better watch yourself, even the BW b-teamers are going to wreck you when they do switch." Thought SC2 was super easy? Thought it was dumbed down? Thought Flash was a god that would kick Mr. Chae in the balls and steal his toys before tearing MC's arms off? I think everyone who had to sit through that deserves a few chuckles at the elitist's expense. Especially considering the BW elitists would regularly go into SC2 threads just to throw the shit, then bitch when some jackass SC2 fan would venture into the BW forums and troll. It's some good old fashioned schadenfreude, and I don't think it's completely uncalled for.
Sums it up pretty well. A vocal minority of people literally believed the BW pros can downright dominate the scene from the get-go , but not so much after the Kespa invitiational at MLG.
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On August 07 2012 00:14 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:06 transcendent one wrote:
i only read the last 3-4 pages but there seem to be people who get some kind of perverted satisfaction because guys who been playing sc2 FOR A MUCH MUCH MUCH SHORTER TIME than current hot sc2 pros are not destroying those sc2 pros.
how idiotic can people be lol. the guys who cant comprehend why it happens like this should never post here ever. did anyone ever say bw pros will dominate the scene as soon as they switch? give them a few months. they are still probably practicing bw for pl... Actually, yes. Every BW elitist, which was a lot of people, did for the past 2 years. Maybe you should do more research before you start shitting on people, or you'll look as silly as you do now. I mean, my day wasn't made because Jaedong lost to Alive, but I smirked when I thought about that "Elephant in the Room" article and the last 2 years of "Yeah well, all you SC2 progamers/viewers better watch yourself, even the BW b-teamers are going to wreck you when they do switch." Thought SC2 was super easy? Thought it was dumbed down? Thought Flash was a god that would kick Mr. Chae in the balls and steal his toys before tearing MC's arms off? I think everyone who had to sit through that deserves a few chuckles at the elitist's expense. Especially considering the BW elitists would regularly go into SC2 threads just to throw the shit, then bitch when some jackass SC2 fan would venture into the BW forums and troll. It's some good old fashioned schadenfreude, and I don't think it's completely uncalled for.
Funny thing is that the top players themselves (Flash, JD, ect) knew and stated they were going to be facing an uphill battle going into a game where they were more than a year behind, but the BW elitist were having none of it. I was reading lots comments pretty much along the lines of "they're just saying that to be polite, they're gonna dominate cuz they awes0mez". No, pro-gamers of Flash's and JD's level understand that even if SC2 has simpler mechanics, it's still a fucking hard game to play.
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On August 07 2012 00:21 eden-san wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:49 Probe1 wrote:You've never seen that anywhere else.. like during late 2010 and the first half of 2011 when Nestea popularized expand first builds by holding off 7/8 pools? I'm a big fan of Nestea, but the way JD micro'ed it seemed even a step higher to me. Not saying JD is better, far from it, but he has all the foundations imho :-)
JD already is displaying better SC2 mechanics than some of the GSL zergs. His first game was really good. Many GSL zergs would have folded way way earlier in the game for missing the larva inject timing or not defending the multi drops efficiently (JD splited his army in three ways to defend two drops while keeping the center watch tower). I was actually surprised that he held onto his fourth as long as he did. If he could have just baited aLive to attack into his defense, he could have won that game.
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Ahh why all the BW arguments. Pretty decent but one-sided matches today, but it was so totally worth going all the way to the Mokdong studio. Nice place, and great solid play from Parting. And ofc without Jaedong there probably won't be as many fangirls here.
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On August 07 2012 00:14 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:06 transcendent one wrote:
i only read the last 3-4 pages but there seem to be people who get some kind of perverted satisfaction because guys who been playing sc2 FOR A MUCH MUCH MUCH SHORTER TIME than current hot sc2 pros are not destroying those sc2 pros.
how idiotic can people be lol. the guys who cant comprehend why it happens like this should never post here ever. did anyone ever say bw pros will dominate the scene as soon as they switch? give them a few months. they are still probably practicing bw for pl... Actually, yes. Every BW elitist, which was a lot of people, did for the past 2 years. Maybe you should do more research before you start shitting on people, or you'll look as silly as you do now. I mean, my day wasn't made because Jaedong lost to Alive, but I smirked when I thought about that "Elephant in the Room" article and the last 2 years of "Yeah well, all you SC2 progamers/viewers better watch yourself, even the BW b-teamers are going to wreck you when they do switch." Thought SC2 was super easy? Thought it was dumbed down? Thought Flash was a god that would kick Mr. Chae in the balls and steal his toys before tearing MC's arms off? I think everyone who had to sit through that deserves a few chuckles at the elitist's expense. Especially considering the BW elitists would regularly go into SC2 threads just to throw the shit, then bitch when some jackass SC2 fan would venture into the BW forums and troll. It's some good old fashioned schadenfreude, and I don't think it's completely uncalled for.
I'm not a BW elitist, but FWIW coach Ryu is quoted as saying top BW players will catch up 100% in 2-3 months after the end of current proleague. So, we are looking at around November-December. He also said that most Kespa players right now are at the level of low to mid Code A.
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who really thought jaedong can beat alive....
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On August 07 2012 00:36 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 00:21 eden-san wrote:On August 06 2012 23:49 Probe1 wrote:You've never seen that anywhere else.. like during late 2010 and the first half of 2011 when Nestea popularized expand first builds by holding off 7/8 pools? I'm a big fan of Nestea, but the way JD micro'ed it seemed even a step higher to me. Not saying JD is better, far from it, but he has all the foundations imho :-) JD already is displaying better SC2 mechanics than some of the GSL zergs. His first game was really good. Many GSL zergs would have folded way way earlier in the game for missing the larva inject timing or not defending the multi drops efficiently (JD splited his army in three ways to defend two drops while keeping the center watch tower). I was actually surprised that he held onto his fourth as long as he did. If he could have just baited aLive to attack into his defense, he could have won that game.
But in the same game he also missed lots of drops, failed to cancel hatches on time etc etc. First game was alright but also hard to judge because it was so passive for a long time (and when it did get later on JD kind of fell apart), second game was just abysmal.
Mechanics looked fine but nothing spectacular either, still tactically he needs quite a bit of improvement.
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I think the majority of the threads bw/sc2 arguments can be summed up as:
1) The BW pros aren't ready yet, but there were some glimpses of awesome
2) The Elephant article was wrong about the 'timing' of dominance, but there is still time for the kespa pros to catch up
3) jaedong vs. alive isn't exactly fair, ipl3 champion, and long time code S terran vs. half bw, half sc2 jaedong. not unexpected result.
4) Coaches state that BW pros show very amazing mechanics, and win despite being less knowledgeable, showing promise for future dominance, but not ready yet.
5) sc2 fans calling out bw elitist.
does that sound about right?
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On August 07 2012 00:44 aintz wrote:
who really thought jaedong can beat alive....
Yeah, this. Someone who started playing SC2 half-time months ago against a very talented player who has been grinding sc2 for years on various proteams and in won/placed high in multiple high tier tournaments..One must be quite delusional to think that would turn out anything but very one-sided.
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On August 07 2012 00:56 Harrad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 00:44 aintz wrote:
who really thought jaedong can beat alive.... Yeah, this. Someone who started playing SC2 half-time months ago against a very talented player who has been grinding sc2 for years on various proteams and in won/placed high in multiple high tier tournaments..One must be quite delusional to think that would turn out anything but very one-sided.
well, snow (worse than jaedong) beat nestea (better than alive), so upsets can happen
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