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On August 07 2012 02:00 Xiphos wrote:

NONE of the TBLS will win a GSL title mark my words.

On August 07 2012 02:17 S_SienZ wrote:

Isn't Flash still pretty young?

On August 07 2012 02:25 Xiphos wrote:


But he sucks at SCtwo. Everytime he plays the game, he just looks plain depressed.

And for the rest of them, Bisu, Stork, and JD all have reached their age of military services. And since ACE is no longer accepting any new players and is disbanding, it will be an miracle for them to be absent for two whole years while retaining their skills.

On August 07 2012 02:43 kaokentake wrote:
jaedongs only "mistakes" in the first game is he derped bane/ling into tanks in the midgame and lost

jaedongs other mistakes later in the game like maybe not dealing with drops properly is a RESULT of his early derping into tanks which let alive have more than he should have had. if the terrans got way more crap than he should have and pwning you allover the map of course it "looks like" jaedongs making mistakes. no zerg would look otherwise but its a result of their earlier mistakes.

banelings SUCK against even 1 tank (however fungal+ a few banes pwns). their ONLY purpose is surviving early pressure, past themidgame infestors are always a better unit to spend money on. only time you should be derping banes into tanks in the midgame is if your using leftover banelings from the earlygame you were forced to build

jaedong had 3 fast saturated bases, 12 minute hive with tons of queens and insane creepspread, zero damage incurred early. he should have won but he traded thousands of resources of banelings for near nothing. once he learns this small lesson he should destroy alive in that first game in the same scenario (as no terrans really have an answer to stephano style fungal abuse yet if the zerg gets 3fast bases like that he should never lose. stephano only loses when the terran stops that fast 3base 12minute hive uninterrupted macro for zerg scenario from happening)

simply put, infestors are just better than banelings. 1 infestor costs 100/150 and it can get off a few fungals in its first 2 minutes of life. swarm mass lings into the tanks/bio during the 10-15 minute midgame and a couple fungals do the job of 15 banelings. 15 banelings cost 750/375. infestors are like 4x more cost efficient. then get broodlords or ultras with that 12 minute hive and its prisonrape for alive after the 15 minute midgame is over. i expect jaedong to crush code s terrans once he figures out that last piece of the stephano puzzle (abuse fungal all game long) which allows stephano to rape everyone with zerg but he would be a low tier player if he played terran or toss because he wouldnt be able to abuse fungal as toss or terran (ok im joking about this part. just annoys me how zerg is designed to rely so much on fungal. every stephano game is the fungal diarys. how would he perform without it. but i guess every top zerg is like that now and needs to be like that because zerg has to be by its very design. you live and die by the fungal)

game 2 means nothing really... jaedong had a horrible reaction to a 2rax then just lost after that... just means he just doesnt know the right way to react which a quick conversation with any top zerg could fix for the dong... he played standard very well in game1 for the first 12 minutes of opening but derped ling/banes after that in the midgame

On August 07 2012 02:43 kaokentake wrote:
jaedongs only "mistakes" in the first game is he derped bane/ling into tanks in the midgame and lost

jaedongs other mistakes later in the game like maybe not dealing with drops properly is a RESULT of his early derping into tanks which let alive have more than he should have had. if the terrans got way more crap than he should have and pwning you allover the map of course it "looks like" jaedongs making mistakes. no zerg would look otherwise but its a result of their earlier mistakes.

banelings SUCK against even 1 tank (however fungal+ a few banes pwns). their ONLY purpose is surviving early pressure, past themidgame infestors are always a better unit to spend money on. only time you should be derping banes into tanks in the midgame is if your using leftover banelings from the earlygame you were forced to build

jaedong had 3 fast saturated bases, 12 minute hive with tons of queens and insane creepspread, zero damage incurred early. he should have won but he traded thousands of resources of banelings for near nothing. once he learns this small lesson he should destroy alive in that first game in the same scenario (as no terrans really have an answer to stephano style fungal abuse yet if the zerg gets 3fast bases like that he should never lose. stephano only loses when the terran stops that fast 3base 12minute hive uninterrupted macro for zerg scenario from happening)

simply put, infestors are just better than banelings. 1 infestor costs 100/150 and it can get off a few fungals in its first 2 minutes of life. swarm mass lings into the tanks/bio during the 10-15 minute midgame and a couple fungals do the job of 15 banelings. 15 banelings cost 750/375. infestors are like 4x more cost efficient. then get broodlords or ultras with that 12 minute hive and its prisonrape for alive after the 15 minute midgame is over. i expect jaedong to crush code s terrans once he figures out that last piece of the stephano puzzle (abuse fungal all game long) which allows stephano to rape everyone with zerg but he would be a low tier player if he played terran or toss because he wouldnt be able to abuse fungal as toss or terran (ok im joking about this part. just annoys me how zerg is designed to rely so much on fungal. every stephano game is the fungal diarys. how would he perform without it. but i guess every top zerg is like that now and needs to be like that because zerg has to be by its very design. you live and die by the fungal)

game 2 means nothing really... jaedong had a horrible reaction to a 2rax then just lost after that... just means he just doesnt know the right way to react which a quick conversation with any top zerg could fix for the dong... he played standard very well in game1 for the first 12 minutes of opening but derped ling/banes after that in the midgame

On August 07 2012 01:16 jellyjello wrote:


Not sure where he missed drops until the very end. He defended early drops very well considering he wasn't aware of drops coming his way. There are some GSL zergs that would fold competely if two medival full of marines with stim safely lands in your main without you catching them first while your entire army is out in the middle of map . JD did very well to only lose his pool.

Antiga is considered a T favored map in TvZ because T can deny the 8th gas from zerg by sieging the middle. This is the #1 thing for Korean zergs when playing T in this map. Once you know that, you'd get a better grasp of why and how JD was playing in his first game. He fought very hard to not lose the center while defending multi drops at the same time. He even managed to hold on to his fourth base until he got to the Hive. All this while not missing a single larva inject (this is important because without constant larva inject, you cant army trade vs T efficiently).

On August 07 2012 03:02 Proseat wrote:
JaeDong and By.Sun (a.k.a. Rain) are not out yet by the way. There is a losers bracket.

On August 06 2012 21:39 Markwerf wrote:
JD looked alright in the first game and downright awful in the second game.
First game was quite passive early on with JD doing well in scouting, control etc. Lategame choices were quite poor though with his broodlord handling etc. he got picked apart quite quickly there.

Second game he just got destroyed and played really poor. Scouts the 2 rax but later on still loses a ton of lings to marines (like he didn't know marines between minerals were really strong) and just had some poor control. The bust was laughably bad really and following it up with a round of lings while doing nothing was also weird. Finally the roach transition, while already going for the second melee upgrade, was just really bad.

Mechanics overall looked solid especially stuff like the creep spreading he did on antiga. Tactically it's still very bad and especially the things like stopping drops or small attacks effectively really looked poor still. Before HOTS I don't think we will be seeing any good results of JD and most Kespa players, maybe a few will be lucky/good enough to get a bit further. The metagame reset with HOTS will even the playing field i guess and maybe some kespa players will even become best.

On August 07 2012 00:40 jellyjello wrote:


I'm not a BW elitist, but FWIW coach Ryu is quoted as saying top BW players will catch up 100% in 2-3 months after the end of current proleague. So, we are looking at around November-December. He also said that most Kespa players right now are at the level of low to mid Code A.

On August 07 2012 02:17 a_flayer wrote:
I'd be willing to put my money on a late 2012 championship for The Dong.

On August 07 2012 05:25 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:
Can anyone tell my how JD played?

On August 07 2012 02:43 kaokentake wrote:
jaedongs only "mistakes" in the first game is he derped bane/ling into tanks in the midgame and lost

jaedongs other mistakes later in the game like maybe not dealing with drops properly is a RESULT of his early derping into tanks which let alive have more than he should have had. if the terrans got way more crap than he should have and pwning you allover the map of course it "looks like" jaedongs making mistakes. no zerg would look otherwise but its a result of their earlier mistakes.

banelings SUCK against even 1 tank (however fungal+ a few banes pwns). their ONLY purpose is surviving early pressure, past themidgame infestors are always a better unit to spend money on. only time you should be derping banes into tanks in the midgame is if your using leftover banelings from the earlygame you were forced to build

jaedong had 3 fast saturated bases, 12 minute hive with tons of queens and insane creepspread, zero damage incurred early. he should have won but he traded thousands of resources of banelings for near nothing. once he learns this small lesson he should destroy alive in that first game in the same scenario (as no terrans really have an answer to stephano style fungal abuse yet if the zerg gets 3fast bases like that he should never lose. stephano only loses when the terran stops that fast 3base 12minute hive uninterrupted macro for zerg scenario from happening)

simply put, infestors are just better than banelings. 1 infestor costs 100/150 and it can get off a few fungals in its first 2 minutes of life. swarm mass lings into the tanks/bio during the 10-15 minute midgame and a couple fungals do the job of 15 banelings. 15 banelings cost 750/375. infestors are like 4x more cost efficient. then get broodlords or ultras with that 12 minute hive and its prisonrape for alive after the 15 minute midgame is over. i expect jaedong to crush code s terrans once he figures out that last piece of the stephano puzzle (abuse fungal all game long) which allows stephano to rape everyone with zerg but he would be a low tier player if he played terran or toss because he wouldnt be able to abuse fungal as toss or terran (ok im joking about this part. just annoys me how zerg is designed to rely so much on fungal. every stephano game is the fungal diarys. how would he perform without it. but i guess every top zerg is like that now and needs to be like that because zerg has to be by its very design. you live and die by the fungal)

game 2 means nothing really... jaedong had a horrible reaction to a 2rax then just lost after that... just means he just doesnt know the right way to react which a quick conversation with any top zerg could fix for the dong... he played standard very well in game1 for the first 12 minutes of opening but derped ling/banes after that in the midgame