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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On August 06 2012 22:43 5c0rp10n wrote: Missed the JD vs aLive match. Will there be VODs somewhere? The VODs are on GomTV, if you have a premium ticket you can watch them now, or you can wait a week when free users can watch them too. Chinese VODs are here http://sc2.plu.cn/vod/. | ||
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Kyir
United States1047 Posts
On August 06 2012 22:56 wangstra wrote: Hopefully someone could help with my question. Is anyone aware if the WCS are available to 2012 GSL Light Ticket holders? You get a discount to actually buying the ticket, but you don't get the stream or (I would assume) the vods. | ||
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wangstra
922 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:00 Kyir wrote: You get a discount to actually buying the ticket, but you don't get the stream or (I would assume) the vods. Thx | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On August 06 2012 22:26 Bagi wrote: Terran has a 40% TvZ winrate on Entombed Valley, yet how often do you see terrans blame their losses on that map? Zergs really need to stop complaining about maps so much. I think that by "a more balanced map" he means something like Metropolis, which is 34% TvZ. Antiga is 53% TvZ, but somehow people always complain about Antiga and not Metropolis. | ||
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transcendent one
251 Posts
how idiotic can people be lol. the guys who cant comprehend why it happens like this should never post here ever. did anyone ever say bw pros will dominate the scene as soon as they switch? give them a few months. they are still probably practicing bw for pl... | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:01 Zane wrote: I think that by "a more balanced map" he means something like Metropolis, which is 34% TvZ. Antiga is 53% TvZ, but somehow people always complain about Antiga and not Metropolis. See in this case I value the fact that almost every TvZ where terran gets to pick a map he picks Antiga. This is same argument I make with Daybreak TvP that every pro player of both races(who probably put in 10x as many games on that map that we dont see) cant possibly be that far off. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:06 transcendent one wrote: i only read the last 3-4 pages but there seem to be people who get some kind of perverted satisfaction because guys who been playing sc2 FOR A MUCH MUCH MUCH SHORTER TIME than current hot sc2 pros are not destroying those sc2 pros. how idiotic can people be lol. the guys who cant comprehend why it happens like this should never post here ever. did anyone ever say bw pros will dominate the scene as soon as they switch? give them a few months. they are still probably practicing bw for pl... Actually alot people did say that "because SC2 is a dumbed down version of the original". | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:10 Adreme wrote: See in this case I value the fact that almost every TvZ where terran gets to pick a map he picks Antiga. This is same argument I make with Daybreak TvP that every pro player of both races(who probably put in 10x as many games on that map that we dont see) cant possibly be that far off. Alot people think that every map is Z favored except Antiga | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:01 Zane wrote: I think that by "a more balanced map" he means something like Metropolis, which is 34% TvZ. Antiga is 53% TvZ, but somehow people always complain about Antiga and not Metropolis. Are you kidding? Terrans always complain about Metropolis and Atlantis Spaceship. Maybe people are specifically tired of Antiga because it's such a poorly balanced map for both ZvT and PvZ and yet has been played in every single tournament in the last year, sometimes twice in the same series (TSL4). Regardless of balance, JD looked pretty good on Antiga and with better army control and decision making he might have won, which can be said about almost every game involving good players. | ||
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Fleuria
England466 Posts
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eden-san
Belgium42 Posts
Jaedong doesn't look promising nor terrible, no one can know how good he is going to be in 6 months, and his BW past definitely wouldn't help him getting better sc2 micro/multitask/macro/luck. Both Flash and Jaedong repeated several times that it was a new and different game. That's the correct mindset to have. I never really followed the BW scene, but came upon a VOD recently of JD defending a 6 or 7 pool with a 15 hatch and eventually winning the game with the type of control I have NEVER seen anywhere else... And I've watched thousands of other VOD's / replays. His play is still unrefined and won't get him to win any competition any time soon (vs GOM players)... But I have to say, he definitively has the potential to be up there :-) | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 06 2012 22:40 Chargelot wrote: They will continue to say it until it is done. If it is never done, we will hear "It's only been a year, the GSL players have been playing for three years, that's not a fair comparison." Considering HOTS will be a complete reset for everyone, if by then the kespa players don't dominate the whole elephant nonsense doesn't have any meaning anymore. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
While I believe not everyone will be able to make the transition (Bisu), a vast majority will. It's just a matter of time, and quite obvious if you look at history. Everyone is also ignoring how much influence Kespa teams have on their players success. All this said, I don't feel we will see a realistic representation of true play by all players until HotS. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
The main difference between now and when HotS is released is Kespals will have had additional time to practice SC2. It will be sad when some retire, as others already have but the ones that remain behind will integrate to an equal or better level. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:06 transcendent one wrote: i only read the last 3-4 pages but there seem to be people who get some kind of perverted satisfaction because guys who been playing sc2 FOR A MUCH MUCH MUCH SHORTER TIME than current hot sc2 pros are not destroying those sc2 pros. how idiotic can people be lol. the guys who cant comprehend why it happens like this should never post here ever. did anyone ever say bw pros will dominate the scene as soon as they switch? give them a few months. they are still probably practicing bw for pl... To be fair it's a long seeding community emotion. Basically some guy posted a elephant article and some people didn't like the fact that players they had become fans of in sc2 for good play were mocked with words such as "farce" thrown around. I don't think I'm one of those people now, but when I first saw that article it was pretty demeaning towards players I was starting to like such as MC. Basically saying "Look you're doing ok in sc2 and all, but you won't be remembered and better players will soon make your accomplishments look trivial and silly." I know the article is nicely based on stats and what not, but it basically shits on any non-Kespa player except MVP and maybe Nestea. So on the point: the minority of people are getting a 'perverted satisfaction' almost in direct response the minority of BW elitists that, for lack of a nicer word, shat on sc2 since it's release. Anyway, all in all: whatever sort of elitists stand on both sides, time will sort it out. And then we'll only know players by their current sc2 skill with a potentially interesting history. Not what side of the kespa-gom fence they sat on during 2012. | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
Why do we have to pay GOM to watch the VODs? =( | ||
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Easy_Messi
6 Posts
By the way, can someone give me some vods where parting beat top terrans or just some example. thx my English is quite poor. Hope I can be understood > < | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:06 transcendent one wrote: i only read the last 3-4 pages but there seem to be people who get some kind of perverted satisfaction because guys who been playing sc2 FOR A MUCH MUCH MUCH SHORTER TIME than current hot sc2 pros are not destroying those sc2 pros. how idiotic can people be lol. the guys who cant comprehend why it happens like this should never post here ever. did anyone ever say bw pros will dominate the scene as soon as they switch? give them a few months. they are still probably practicing bw for pl... Actually, yes. Every BW elitist, which was a lot of people, did for the past 2 years. Maybe you should do more research before you start shitting on people, or you'll look as silly as you do now. I mean, my day wasn't made because Jaedong lost to Alive, but I smirked when I thought about that "Elephant in the Room" article and the last 2 years of "Yeah well, all you SC2 progamers/viewers better watch yourself, even the BW b-teamers are going to wreck you when they do switch." Thought SC2 was super easy? Thought it was dumbed down? Thought Flash was a god that would kick Mr. Chae in the balls and steal his toys before tearing MC's arms off? I think everyone who had to sit through that deserves a few chuckles at the elitist's expense. Especially considering the BW elitists would regularly go into SC2 threads just to throw the shit, then bitch when some jackass SC2 fan would venture into the BW forums and troll. It's some good old fashioned schadenfreude, and I don't think it's completely uncalled for. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:59 Hoon wrote: Isn't WCS from Blizzard? Why do we have to pay GOM to watch the VODs? =( I was thinking this too. It was my assumption that Blizzard was providing the prize money for all events. If this was the case it seems wrong for GOM to profit of it in this manner. Does GOM own the monopoly on all Korean Starcraft? I realise this was probably addressed several times earlier, but can't be arsed to read through a 100+ page thread :\ | ||
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