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On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though  No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you.
Is that a new form of trolling, or the religion of the BW fanatics ?
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On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you.
Like you said yourself is that it hasn't been expected for a while. That's just a modification of the theory in face of the obvious. You should read the article again so you can see how drastic it is.
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On August 06 2012 21:59 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. Is that a new form of trolling, or the religion of the BW fanatics ?
Oh, I am no fanatic or a troll. I am just an objective bystander. Feel free to disagree with me at any point I said, and I will explain to you, why you are wrong.
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On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you.
wow thanks captain obvious
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On August 06 2012 21:17 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:13 Levistus wrote:On August 06 2012 21:09 Shock710 wrote:On August 06 2012 21:06 aRyuujin wrote:On August 06 2012 21:05 Chenz wrote:On August 06 2012 21:03 shineq wrote:I'm kinda sad now, I wanted to see the Kespa players do well  Reality is still in the tournament, and he's actually quite good. If a KeSPA player would have a decent shot in this tournament, it's him. sad to see Light not in this, he's one of the best kespa players at sc2. lights fangirl is sooo pretty + Show Spoiler + more pics of lightgirl pls :D as u wish but i'm spoilering them cause their too big + Show Spoiler +
PM ME IF U HAVE MORE PLZ
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On August 06 2012 22:01 sOda~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. wow thanks captain obvious
Thank you. It always bothers me when people do not understand the obvious.
On August 06 2012 22:00 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. Like you said yourself is that it hasn't been expected for a while. That's just a modification of the theory in face of the obvious. You should read the article again so you can see how drastic it is.
It is not a modification of the theory. You misunderstand it, I suggest you read it again. Intrigue spoke of the current level when he spoke of the timeframe. It in no way contradicts the point of his argument if Kespa pros do not dominate in a few months now.
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On August 06 2012 22:00 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:59 SiroKO wrote:On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. Is that a new form of trolling, or the religion of the BW fanatics ? Oh, I am no fanatic or a troll. I am just an objective bystander. Feel free to disagree with me at any point I said, and I will explain to you, why you are wrong.
The Elephant theory have always been and will always be completly retarded. It was never based on anything but BW fanatics delusions.
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On August 06 2012 22:06 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:00 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:59 SiroKO wrote:On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. Is that a new form of trolling, or the religion of the BW fanatics ? Oh, I am no fanatic or a troll. I am just an objective bystander. Feel free to disagree with me at any point I said, and I will explain to you, why you are wrong. The Elephant theory have always been and will always be completly retarded. It was never based on anything but BW fanatics delusions.
Now that is a strong argument! Well done.
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On August 06 2012 21:58 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. How do you even know that Kespa's pro will be better than GSL's pros?
It's just speculation. So, horse crap. A lot of nice words and expectations, based on there own dreams.
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On August 06 2012 21:17 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:13 Levistus wrote:On August 06 2012 21:09 Shock710 wrote:On August 06 2012 21:06 aRyuujin wrote:On August 06 2012 21:05 Chenz wrote:On August 06 2012 21:03 shineq wrote:I'm kinda sad now, I wanted to see the Kespa players do well Reality is still in the tournament, and he's actually quite good. If a KeSPA player would have a decent shot in this tournament, it's him. sad to see Light not in this, he's one of the best kespa players at sc2. lights fangirl is sooo pretty + Show Spoiler + more pics of lightgirl pls :D as u wish but i'm spoilering them cause their too big + Show Spoiler +
she's really pretty. id marry her if i were light!
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On August 06 2012 22:07 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:06 Fluffboll wrote:On August 06 2012 22:00 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:59 SiroKO wrote:On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. Is that a new form of trolling, or the religion of the BW fanatics ? Oh, I am no fanatic or a troll. I am just an objective bystander. Feel free to disagree with me at any point I said, and I will explain to you, why you are wrong. The Elephant theory have always been and will always be completly retarded. It was never based on anything but BW fanatics delusions. Now that is a strong argument! Well done.
Give me anything that has at anytime proven the theory beyond silly theorycrafting and maybe I will give you a good argument, because neither you or anyone else speaking on behalf of the elephant theory have produced any reality based arguments.
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On August 06 2012 21:33 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:24 Wildmoon wrote:
What I find funny is what people said that TBLS and other top BW pros are naturally gifted at RTS game so they will dominate SC2 too. The only thing we know now is that they are gifted at BW not other games. We can't be so sure that they will dominate. Other players from Kespa may replace them. Apparently you missed out on the quote from Clide about Flash.
what did clide say about flash?
i think flash is really good. i noticed his losses were BO losses. he's probably still experimenting.
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On August 06 2012 22:06 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:00 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:59 SiroKO wrote:On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. Is that a new form of trolling, or the religion of the BW fanatics ? Oh, I am no fanatic or a troll. I am just an objective bystander. Feel free to disagree with me at any point I said, and I will explain to you, why you are wrong. The Elephant theory have always been and will always be completly retarded. It was never based on anything but BW fanatics delusions.
Let's create an hateful thread such as:" The kespa delusion", "so far the Kespa players have been a farce".
At least we could based our thread on evidences, like that 5-10% winrate of kespa vs GSL code A+ players.
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On August 06 2012 22:10 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:06 Fluffboll wrote:On August 06 2012 22:00 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:59 SiroKO wrote:On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. Is that a new form of trolling, or the religion of the BW fanatics ? Oh, I am no fanatic or a troll. I am just an objective bystander. Feel free to disagree with me at any point I said, and I will explain to you, why you are wrong. The Elephant theory have always been and will always be completly retarded. It was never based on anything but BW fanatics delusions. Let's create an hateful thread such as:" The kespa delusion", "so far the Kespa players have been a farce". At least we could based our thread on evidences, like that 5-10% winrate of kespa vs GSL code A+ players.
Let's not sink to that level.
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Current GSL players are roughly the same group as they were a year ago, the elephant theory always was that the competition was a farce not because of the level of play, but because of the people dominating. Clearly, the same people are dominating, so competition should still be a farce, by the elephant theory's standards. Nobody ever denied that among the KeSPA players there would be a lot of really strong players, I think people are just hesitant to say that given a year they will come to totally dominate the scene (not to mention the leap required to say that the competition was worthless before).
Squeegy is simply morphing the theory to suit his own needs, so he can keep it as a sort of boogeyman looming over the scene.
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On August 06 2012 22:09 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:07 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 22:06 Fluffboll wrote:On August 06 2012 22:00 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:59 SiroKO wrote:On August 06 2012 21:54 Squeegy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:43 mordk wrote:On August 06 2012 21:17 Yorbon wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
I don't think it is a good poll. The gsl competition is not a farce, but that doesn't mean the kespa players won't dominate in like 6 months or so. The point is that the potential of these people is unknown at this moment. If we still see games like this in another 3 months, I might begin to think there is no elephant (dependent on player of course). Personally i still think kespaplayers playing sc2 will give an upward force in terms of overall skill level. Does that mean i think there is an elephant? not necessarily. Just an increase in population (of progamers) should give a rise in level. I feel this poll is too back and white. Edit: lol @ map balance whine The elephant theory specifically stated that: -The competition was a farce -Because of that, BW pros would totally roflstomp GOM pros immediately or shortly after switching The theory WAS just as black and white as the poll. People are just softening the arguments like they always do when theories fail. As much as I love JD this was the expected result. The elephant was stillborn, anyone with a good perspective view has known this for a while. I find it funny to call them "Team elephants" though No, you simply lack hearing comprehension. What was said, was that the time the level of play was weak and that it would take the Kespa pros a few months to dominate. Everybody has agreed that the level of play is miles above what it used to be back then, therefore the claim that it would take Kespa pros a few months to dominate has not been expected in quite a while. What is expected though, and what the article also did try to say, is that the Kespa pros are better than the current GSL players. And yes they are. It will just take them a little while before they will dominate. I expect you to thank me later on for this free lesson I just offered you. Is that a new form of trolling, or the religion of the BW fanatics ? Oh, I am no fanatic or a troll. I am just an objective bystander. Feel free to disagree with me at any point I said, and I will explain to you, why you are wrong. The Elephant theory have always been and will always be completly retarded. It was never based on anything but BW fanatics delusions. Now that is a strong argument! Well done. Give me anything that has at anytime proven the theory beyond silly theorycrafting and maybe I will give you a good argument, because neither you or anyone else speaking on behalf of the elephant theory have produced any reality based arguments.
Yet again, a strong argument! I am proud of you. But you're missing the entire point in that the Elephant argument will be evaluated over time. It cannot be proved or disproved today.
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On August 06 2012 22:12 Grumbels wrote:
Current GSL players are roughly the same group as they were a year ago, the elephant theory always was that the competition was a farce not because of the level of play, but because of the people dominating. Clearly, the same people are dominating, so competition should still be a farce, by the elephant theory's standards. Nobody ever denied that among the KeSPA players there would be a lot of really strong players, I think people are just hesitant to say that given a year they will come to totally dominate the scene (not to mention the leap required to say that the competition was worthless before).
Squeegy is simply morphing the theory to suit his own needs, so he can keep it as a sort of boogeyman looming over the scene.
I suggest you read a book or two on formal logic. It'll teach how to analyze arguments and how to notice the subtle things that lead to misrepresentation such as the one you have arrived at. You can thank me later, friend!
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ahhh, JD, it's ok, moaaar time is needed.
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I don't understand why everyone is saying that the BW pro's (the high level ones) are not going to be playing SC2 at a high level, they have only been playing for a couple of months. For example the WC3 pro's (Moon & Grubby) we're pretty terrible when they started but now have gotten stronger and stronger and still are growing super fast. I think that that's going to be the same for the BW pro's.
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On August 06 2012 22:17 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:12 Grumbels wrote:
Current GSL players are roughly the same group as they were a year ago, the elephant theory always was that the competition was a farce not because of the level of play, but because of the people dominating. Clearly, the same people are dominating, so competition should still be a farce, by the elephant theory's standards. Nobody ever denied that among the KeSPA players there would be a lot of really strong players, I think people are just hesitant to say that given a year they will come to totally dominate the scene (not to mention the leap required to say that the competition was worthless before).
Squeegy is simply morphing the theory to suit his own needs, so he can keep it as a sort of boogeyman looming over the scene. I suggest you read a book or two on formal logic. It'll teach how to analyze arguments and how to notice the subtle things that lead to misrepresentation such as the one you have arrived at. You can thank me later, friend!
As a bystander with no opinion on the matter, Squeegy, you come off as very sarcastic and naturally seem to push people away from your own opinion.
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