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[IPL] FC27: Squirtle vs Illusion - Page 8

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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 31 2012 00:20 GMT
#141
TB so cool
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
July 31 2012 00:21 GMT
#142
Ok that made me smile. Widely.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
July 31 2012 00:21 GMT
#143
TB going all Squirtle baby.
The Bomber boy
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 31 2012 00:21 GMT
#144
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote:
Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.


Hack barely lost to Squirtle with it.
And he beat Lure.

A composition of like 70% hellions 15% Tanks, 15% Ghost is pretty good.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
July 31 2012 00:21 GMT
#145
IPL used Illusion

It's super uneffective!
Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
July 31 2012 00:21 GMT
#146
Here comes Sky Terran this time!
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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
July 31 2012 00:21 GMT
#147
On July 31 2012 09:20 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote:
Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.


Pretty sure that what we are seeing is Illusion being outclassed in the late game regardless of composition.

Unless Illusion suddenly becomes as good as Taeja, this game five is going to be as brutal as the previous ones. I don't see how Illusion can win this series.
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 31 2012 00:22 GMT
#148
On July 31 2012 09:20 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote:
Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.


Pretty sure that what we are seeing is Illusion being outclassed in the late game regardless of composition.

Exactly. That game looked similar to the game where he played bio lategame, dying to DT harass, except Illusion actually had an army that could conceivably defeat Squirtle's army. I feel so goofy saying it, but imo mech still needs more experimentation, on some maps (like that one) it feels viable.
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Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
July 31 2012 00:22 GMT
#149
Hellions not bad against stalkers, mech thought of as mobile, a lot of minerals in mech. WHAT? Is this some sort of bizarro mech?
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
July 31 2012 00:22 GMT
#150
On July 31 2012 09:21 Al Bundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 09:20 Porcelina wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote:
Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.


Pretty sure that what we are seeing is Illusion being outclassed in the late game regardless of composition.

Unless Illusion suddenly becomes as good as Taeja, this game five is going to be as brutal as the previous ones. I don't see how Illusion can win this series.


Well at any rate I am pretty sure he has to go into the mid or late game with a pretty significant advantage. Or yeah, becoming online Taeja.
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 00:24:07
July 31 2012 00:23 GMT
#151
Illusion beat OZ with that exact mech build during IPL4.

If the hellion drop actually catches the P off guard, followed by banshee harass, the game look a lot different...

The general idea is that P ends up building units to defend against your harass rather than units good against mech and can't change their composition fast enough later.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 31 2012 00:23 GMT
#152
11/11 Rax 5 games in a row. We all know Squirtle struggles against this :p
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 31 2012 00:25 GMT
#153
On July 31 2012 09:21 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote:
Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.


Hack barely lost to Squirtle with it.
And he beat Lure.

A composition of like 70% hellions 15% Tanks, 15% Ghost is pretty good.

I think far more tanks are needed. 40% Hellions, 40% Tanks, 15% Ghosts, 5% Vikings to manage warp prisms, floating around the map.

I dunno, I'm no pro, but just on the back of games where mass tanks are used lategame, in combination with Ghosts, they seem really effective, the Terran just has trouble quite closing it out.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 31 2012 00:25 GMT
#154
squirtle says fuck you im not falling for proxy 2rax again
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
July 31 2012 00:25 GMT
#155
Ooooh I like this analogy. Nestea being God, Mvp being Satan. Hmmm.
Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
July 31 2012 00:25 GMT
#156
Typical a pro uses a Mech and suddenly everyone thinks its viable as if it was magically buffed all of a sudden. Just because its not used in the GSL.etc does not mean its not viable. Mech just needed some serious looking into, not playing a game and losing and going well its must be because mech is bad. Helions can hurt toss so much, Mass helions can decimate clumped up roaches.
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Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
July 31 2012 00:26 GMT
#157
If NesTea is God, Mvp is Satan. I like it.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 31 2012 00:26 GMT
#158
On July 31 2012 09:26 Zane wrote:
If NesTea is God, Mvp is Satan. I like it.





Flash is unimpressed.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 31 2012 00:26 GMT
#159
On July 31 2012 09:25 Porcelina wrote:
Ooooh I like this analogy. Nestea being God, Mvp being Satan. Hmmm.

So should we be worried that Satan has a winning record vs god?
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Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1215 Posts
July 31 2012 00:27 GMT
#160
I think Doa and KevinKnocke are a more harmonizing duo than TB and Knocke... TB's style is kind of too outspoken for IPL I feel.
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