The time has come for our twenty-seventh IGN Pro League Fight Club! This is a weekly king of the hill showmatch series. Basically, there will be a 1 vs. 1 best of 9 showmatch each and every week, where the winner will earn a $500 prize and a $100 bounty on their head. For example, if a player wins three weeks in a row they will have earned $1,500 and a $300 bounty. If a NEW challenger defeats him, they will earn $500 for the showmatch, take the $300 bounty home, and have a new $100 bounty placed on their head for each week that they win.
StarTale Squirtle is in full command of the PvZ match-up, as he's shown us in the last two Fight Clubs against CoCa and VortiX. This week, Quantic Illusion will be trying to test out Squirtle's PvT. Illusion went to Hot Import Nights and hung in there against Liquid'HerO as well as SlayerS`MMA. Will he be able to take down Squirtle in this David vs Goliath match-up? You'll have to tune in to find out.
On July 31 2012 02:44 Champloo wrote: Why does IPL invite Illusion to everything they do?
Hot Night Imports or however it was called was an exhibition event in the United States, not a major league or tournament. It makes sense to invite a "home" player that the casual audience can feel a connection with.
In IPL FC they need to give foreigners a chance often enough to maintain mainstream interest in the events. Many, if not most, highly rated foreigners have already been invited. Even if some haven't, IPL seems to throw them in randomly (in context of skill). It also has probably has a lot to do with who's available, has enough time to prepare, and so on. It isn't so surprising for Illusion to enter the rotation at some point or the other.
Squirtle is going to take this. Yet, feel like if Illusion prepares really hard, he might stand some chance. Inviting Illusion makes me feel like IPL want someone to overcome the 3-win hottest streak of Sheth and HerO.
On July 31 2012 03:28 s1ege wrote: I'm gonna say Illusion will win since squirtle lost to Mvp and Taeja and a couple of other Terrans in various team leagues.
On July 31 2012 03:28 s1ege wrote: I'm gonna say Illusion will win since squirtle lost to Mvp and Taeja and a couple of other Terrans in various team leagues.
On July 31 2012 02:44 Champloo wrote: Why does IPL invite Illusion to everything they do?
Probably because there are very few noteworthy Americans with decent results/potential these days.
I'd love to see Scarlett/Major/Idra/Suppy play in this.
Although for Major/idra not against squirtle as both have shakey vps
you clearly forgot when idra clearly 2-0'd MC at the MLG when the koreans were first able to participate. yeah...that's definitely some shakey vp. the only reason idra lost 4-0 in extended was because of the MMA games...they tilted him, and you know idra, once he gets tilted he plays bad. if he didn't have that mindset problem, he would be better than stephano
On July 31 2012 02:44 Champloo wrote: Why does IPL invite Illusion to everything they do?
Probably because there are very few noteworthy Americans with decent results/potential these days.
I'd love to see Scarlett/Major/Idra/Suppy play in this.
Although for Major/idra not against squirtle as both have shakey vps
you clearly forgot when idra clearly 2-0'd MC at the MLG when the koreans were first able to participate. yeah...that's definitely some shakey vp. the only reason idra lost 4-0 in extended was because of the MMA games...they tilted him, and you know idra, once he gets tilted he plays bad. if he didn't have that mindset problem, he would be better than stephano
Yeah, we also forgot when Idra was unrivaled top foreigner from late 2009 to winter 2010. Surprisingly, memory does tend to fade a little as the years pass.
On July 31 2012 02:44 Champloo wrote: Why does IPL invite Illusion to everything they do?
Probably because there are very few noteworthy Americans with decent results/potential these days.
I'd love to see Scarlett/Major/Idra/Suppy play in this.
Although for Major/idra not against squirtle as both have shakey vps
you clearly forgot when idra clearly 2-0'd MC at the MLG when the koreans were first able to participate. yeah...that's definitely some shakey vp. the only reason idra lost 4-0 in extended was because of the MMA games...they tilted him, and you know idra, once he gets tilted he plays bad. if he didn't have that mindset problem, he would be better than stephano
Well gee, sucks that he has that problem right? We can play the "if" game all day long, but as it stands Idra hasn't had significant results in about 9 months. @Battousai13 Illusion lost 2-1 to HerO, 2-0 to MMA, so no he didn't take games off everybody. If Squirtle can handle Illusion's really good early/early mid-game harassment without significant damage, he should be fine.
On July 31 2012 02:44 Champloo wrote: Why does IPL invite Illusion to everything they do?
Probably because there are very few noteworthy Americans with decent results/potential these days.
I'd love to see Scarlett/Major/Idra/Suppy play in this.
Although for Major/idra not against squirtle as both have shakey vps
you clearly forgot when idra clearly 2-0'd MC at the MLG when the koreans were first able to participate. yeah...that's definitely some shakey vp. the only reason idra lost 4-0 in extended was because of the MMA games...they tilted him, and you know idra, once he gets tilted he plays bad. if he didn't have that mindset problem, he would be better than stephano
MC was jetlagged badly. As soon as he took some Red Bull he 4-0ed him.
On July 31 2012 02:44 Champloo wrote: Why does IPL invite Illusion to everything they do?
Probably because there are very few noteworthy Americans with decent results/potential these days.
I'd love to see Scarlett/Major/Idra/Suppy play in this.
Although for Major/idra not against squirtle as both have shakey vps
you clearly forgot when idra clearly 2-0'd MC at the MLG when the koreans were first able to participate. yeah...that's definitely some shakey vp. the only reason idra lost 4-0 in extended was because of the MMA games...they tilted him, and you know idra, once he gets tilted he plays bad. if he didn't have that mindset problem, he would be better than stephano
MC was jetlagged badly. As soon as he took some Red Bull he 4-0ed him.
rofl...is that your excuse for idra completely outplaying MC? I suppose every time... say Stephano... beats a korean, like at the nasl3, the opponents were jet lagged... or when nerchio completely outplayed MC at hsc it was jet lag... yea good logic there slugger, swing and miss.
like I said, after idra saw the replay of mma killing his own CC, he went on tilt. every singly progamer out there agrees that if idra had a better attitude towards the losing, or in game when the opponent does something retarded, he would be top 1 foreigner and top 10 player in the world.
On July 31 2012 02:44 Champloo wrote: Why does IPL invite Illusion to everything they do?
Probably because there are very few noteworthy Americans with decent results/potential these days.
I'd love to see Scarlett/Major/Idra/Suppy play in this.
Although for Major/idra not against squirtle as both have shakey vps
you clearly forgot when idra clearly 2-0'd MC at the MLG when the koreans were first able to participate. yeah...that's definitely some shakey vp. the only reason idra lost 4-0 in extended was because of the MMA games...they tilted him, and you know idra, once he gets tilted he plays bad. if he didn't have that mindset problem, he would be better than stephano
MC was jetlagged badly. As soon as he took some Red Bull he 4-0ed him.
rofl...is that your excuse for idra completely outplaying MC? I suppose every time... say Stephano... beats a korean, like at the nasl3, the opponents were jet lagged... or when nerchio completely outplayed MC at hsc it was jet lag... yea good logic there slugger, swing and miss.
like I said, after idra saw the replay of mma killing his own CC, he went on tilt. every singly progamer out there agrees that if idra had a better attitude towards the losing, or in game when the opponent does something retarded, he would be top 1 foreigner and top 10 player in the world.
NT kid.
Did you ask to every single progamer?
Also MC's himself said "i was jet lagged against idra." stop it already.
are you seriously arguing about something that happened a few years ago? There are always excuses for somebody playing. Hell you could argue that hero would be the best player of the universe if he didnt have those nerve issues. Things like that are part of the player and playing the "if" game is senseless
On July 31 2012 02:44 Champloo wrote: Why does IPL invite Illusion to everything they do?
Probably because there are very few noteworthy Americans with decent results/potential these days.
I'd love to see Scarlett/Major/Idra/Suppy play in this.
Although for Major/idra not against squirtle as both have shakey vps
you clearly forgot when idra clearly 2-0'd MC at the MLG when the koreans were first able to participate. yeah...that's definitely some shakey vp. the only reason idra lost 4-0 in extended was because of the MMA games...they tilted him, and you know idra, once he gets tilted he plays bad. if he didn't have that mindset problem, he would be better than stephano
MC was jetlagged badly. As soon as he took some Red Bull he 4-0ed him.
rofl...is that your excuse for idra completely outplaying MC? I suppose every time... say Stephano... beats a korean, like at the nasl3, the opponents were jet lagged... or when nerchio completely outplayed MC at hsc it was jet lag... yea good logic there slugger, swing and miss.
like I said, after idra saw the replay of mma killing his own CC, he went on tilt. every singly progamer out there agrees that if idra had a better attitude towards the losing, or in game when the opponent does something retarded, he would be top 1 foreigner and top 10 player in the world.
NT kid.
Not anymore. Yes his mindset is horrible and he would be a better player if he fixed that but he's not as good as he used to be. He had some of the best mechanics in the world but others have caught up now. He's always sucked in ZvP and he hasn't transitioned well to Infestor based play in ZvT. This is all coming fro man Idra fan. I hope that he can improve his play and mindset in the near future but right now he isn't doing too well.
Squirtle should win, but I feel like Illusion can take a couple games off him if he prepares and plays well.
On July 31 2012 04:43 kusto wrote: Why is illusion invited to this? He has like no achievements at all.
Illusion's a top level foreigner. He defeated Zenio, Ryung, Oz, and had a close series vs Creator at IPL4 (all Code S players). He took a game off HerO at IPL Hot Import Nights, and all 5 of his games against HerO and MMA were all very close, with Illusion actually ahead most of the time in the early game.
yeah his 30% winrate in 2012 is supporting everything you say. i don't even hate idra but i was hoping that a good consequence of him sucking so bad in 2012 will be that his fanboys get a little bit more realistic. but he wins one game and we're back on track
anyways on topic, illusion winning would be like the biggest upset in fight club so far, i'd say 5-2 for Squirtle cuz he seemed shaky vs taeja recently but then illusion is no taeja
On July 31 2012 03:28 s1ege wrote: I'm gonna say Illusion will win since squirtle lost to Mvp and Taeja and a couple of other Terrans in various team leagues.
On July 31 2012 02:50 Takezou wrote:
On July 31 2012 02:44 Champloo wrote: Why does IPL invite Illusion to everything they do?
Probably because there are very few noteworthy Americans with decent results/potential these days.
Idra...he beat mkp
MVP and Taeja are a little different from Illusion... He beat MKP in a Bo1.
Beating MKP doesn't really mean too much anymore... a lot of people have beaten MKP now....
I think it's about time people realised his title of 'best terran in the world' was quite temporary, and it's gone now.
I think they invited Illusion because he is the best North American Terran player and they had a ZvP last week. It would suck for them to have PvPs/Mirror matchups other than ZvZ....
On July 31 2012 04:43 kusto wrote: Why is illusion invited to this? He has like no achievements at all.
Illusion's a top level foreigner. He defeated Zenio, Ryung, Oz, and had a close series vs Creator at IPL4 (all Code S players). He took a game off HerO at IPL Hot Import Nights, and all 5 of his games against HerO and MMA were all very close, with Illusion actually ahead most of the time in the early game.
wait, he never played creator iirc, and the close series was vs Oz also, s1ege, idra fanboy is funny hahaha
I think Illusion could take a game or 2, I think Squirtle hasn't been playing his best recently (judged from watching his stream mostly). I feel like he was certainly playing better even as far back as January, but slump is definitely an incorrect word to use here. Nevertheless he should be able to take this series convincingly I feel.
On July 31 2012 04:43 kusto wrote: Why is illusion invited to this? He has like no achievements at all.
Illusion's a top level foreigner. He defeated Zenio, Ryung, Oz, and had a close series vs Creator at IPL4 (all Code S players). He took a game off HerO at IPL Hot Import Nights, and all 5 of his games against HerO and MMA were all very close, with Illusion actually ahead most of the time in the early game.
wait, he never played creator iirc, and the close series was vs Oz also, s1ege, idra fanboy is funny hahaha
I may be incorrect, but I think at that IPL tournament, Illusion was eliminated by Creator. Illusion beat Oz 2-1 in a bo3 I think. I remember the replays because one of the games was a mech build. The close games were against Creator despite going 0-2 on Daybreak and CK.
See his TLPD, match 12-04-06.
Illusion has talent, I'd love to see him play under the instruction of some veteran terran players/coaches.
On July 31 2012 04:43 kusto wrote: Why is illusion invited to this? He has like no achievements at all.
Illusion's a top level foreigner. He defeated Zenio, Ryung, Oz, and had a close series vs Creator at IPL4 (all Code S players). He took a game off HerO at IPL Hot Import Nights, and all 5 of his games against HerO and MMA were all very close, with Illusion actually ahead most of the time in the early game.
wait, he never played creator iirc, and the close series was vs Oz also, s1ege, idra fanboy is funny hahaha
I may be incorrect, but I think at that IPL tournament, Illusion was eliminated by Creator. Illusion beat Oz 2-1 in a bo3 I think. I remember the replays because one of the games was a mech build. The close games were against Creator despite going 0-2 on Daybreak and CK.
See his TLPD, match 12-04-06.
Illusion has talent, I'd love to see him play under the instruction of some veteran terran players/coaches.
On July 31 2012 08:19 jeeneeus wrote: I think it would have worked if Squirtle took a third. And it did look like he was going to with the probe going there and planting a pylon.
He can cancel and continue sitting at his natural?
I think Illusion is pretty good, but man Squirtle will be a tough one to beat. I'm calling 5-1, sorry Illusion. Hopefully he can suprise and make it close or even win
I have a feeling that Illusion is one of the Terrans that feel lategame TvP is really hard. I know that's how I feel and it can lead to some really bad judgement calls like in game 1 >.<
T_T.... seemed like a ragequit. Tilt after the second game... I can't see him winning a game against Squirtle with a 'disturbed' mind. T_T;;; he played very good on entombed, but that colossus fake and him overmaking vikings killed him.
On July 31 2012 08:46 garbanzo wrote: Anyone know when this was played with respect to the ESV Grand Prix II finals?
IPL usually have their 'cast from replay' games played out the day of or the day before the cast. Do not think there has been any confirmation that this is the case right here, but given that the ESV tournament was probably a bit older, I would definitely hazard a guess that these games are more recent, perhaps by a week or so?
On July 31 2012 08:55 Kris312 wrote: Man you can really notice the skill difference here
This is sad because this is the very best that North America has at the moment. What other terran could hold his own against Squirtle? QXC or Major maybe?
On July 31 2012 08:55 Kris312 wrote: Man you can really notice the skill difference here
This is sad because this is the very best that North America has at the moment. What other terran could hold his own against Squirtle? QXC or Major maybe?
On July 31 2012 08:55 Kris312 wrote: Man you can really notice the skill difference here
This is sad because this is the very best that North America has at the moment. What other terran could hold his own against Squirtle? QXC or Major maybe?
On July 31 2012 08:55 Kris312 wrote: Man you can really notice the skill difference here
This is sad because this is the very best that North America has at the moment. What other terran could hold his own against Squirtle? QXC or Major maybe?
I very, very much doubt qxc could, at least for the time being. Major might be a better bet, but I say that because I basically have no real idea as to his skill level.
I don't know if IPL appreciate TB telling it like it is, they always like to keep things hyped and continue along the line of "it could go anyone's way" etc.
On July 31 2012 08:55 Kris312 wrote: Man you can really notice the skill difference here
This is sad because this is the very best that North America has at the moment. What other terran could hold his own against Squirtle? QXC or Major maybe?
Definetly major.
Major is definitely one of the most under-rated Terrans.
On July 31 2012 09:00 Surrealistic wrote: I don't know if IPL appreciate TB telling it like it is, they always like to keep things hyped and continue along the line of "it could go anyone's way" etc.
It's their own fault they invited illusion against the likes of squirtle
I would say Major's overall skill is better than illusion's, but he also said that TvP is his worst MU, so the differential in skill may be smaller than you think... Then again TvP isn't illusion's best MU (I think its TvT?).
On July 31 2012 09:02 Shellshock1122 wrote: @_@ 3-0 not unexpected but were any of the first 3 games close?
I missed the first game, but the second game could easily have gone in Illusion's favor. Three base v three base, Colossus and Storm tech out but Illusion in supply lead and with Ghosts and Vikings. Illusion forced a cancel on Squirtle's fourth, got his up as a Planetary and had several very decent trades while pressuring. Ended with Squirtle double expanding, trading off all but one Colossus, went for all Templar/Archon while Illusion went up to 17 Vikings and sniped the Planetary with DTs while Illusion failed to break the fourth or spot the fifth.
With better positioning and better macro, as Illusion's production was lacking and he probably should have had a fifth at some point as well, and of course not forgetting to put up a Turret by his Planetary, he would have won. Of course, I guess all I am saying is that...if Illusion had a much better late game, he would have won. Or he could have won earlier in the game while Squirtle was definitely playing from behind before the time came for the Protoss to be able to tech switch completely off Colossus.
sorry Illusion I know you are probably near the top amongest foreigners and you might be able to take games off of high CodAers and low CodeSers but Squritle is in his own league (along with the other mid to high CodeSers big boys)
5-0, 5-1 Squritle if Squritle's cat decided to suddenly take a nap on his keyboard and won't budge for the enterity of game 4
On July 31 2012 08:55 Kris312 wrote: Man you can really notice the skill difference here
This is sad because this is the very best that North America has at the moment. What other terran could hold his own against Squirtle? QXC or Major maybe?
I don't think its sad. NA is known for a lack of terrans and Squirtle is one of the best players in the world.
IPL has a difficult task here with this format. If you have amazing koreans in the defending position but want to bring in foreigners (and NA players especially) who havent played yet, its very hard to find some who got a decent shot. Don't forget last week when everyone said that vortix will get 5-0ed and then he put up a very decent fight and got 3 games. I hope Nani and Sase will get a chance soon.
It's ok, really, Squirtle is actually helping by killing SCVs lmfao. 94 is way too much, especially for mech, he needs to have a larger army to compensate for it's immobility.
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote: Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.
Pretty sure that what we are seeing is Illusion being outclassed in the late game regardless of composition.
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote: Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.
Hack barely lost to Squirtle with it. And he beat Lure.
A composition of like 70% hellions 15% Tanks, 15% Ghost is pretty good.
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote: Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.
Pretty sure that what we are seeing is Illusion being outclassed in the late game regardless of composition.
Unless Illusion suddenly becomes as good as Taeja, this game five is going to be as brutal as the previous ones. I don't see how Illusion can win this series.
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote: Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.
Pretty sure that what we are seeing is Illusion being outclassed in the late game regardless of composition.
Exactly. That game looked similar to the game where he played bio lategame, dying to DT harass, except Illusion actually had an army that could conceivably defeat Squirtle's army. I feel so goofy saying it, but imo mech still needs more experimentation, on some maps (like that one) it feels viable.
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote: Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.
Pretty sure that what we are seeing is Illusion being outclassed in the late game regardless of composition.
Unless Illusion suddenly becomes as good as Taeja, this game five is going to be as brutal as the previous ones. I don't see how Illusion can win this series.
Well at any rate I am pretty sure he has to go into the mid or late game with a pretty significant advantage. Or yeah, becoming online Taeja.
Illusion beat OZ with that exact mech build during IPL4.
If the hellion drop actually catches the P off guard, followed by banshee harass, the game look a lot different...
The general idea is that P ends up building units to defend against your harass rather than units good against mech and can't change their composition fast enough later.
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote: Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.
Hack barely lost to Squirtle with it. And he beat Lure.
A composition of like 70% hellions 15% Tanks, 15% Ghost is pretty good.
I think far more tanks are needed. 40% Hellions, 40% Tanks, 15% Ghosts, 5% Vikings to manage warp prisms, floating around the map.
I dunno, I'm no pro, but just on the back of games where mass tanks are used lategame, in combination with Ghosts, they seem really effective, the Terran just has trouble quite closing it out.
Typical a pro uses a Mech and suddenly everyone thinks its viable as if it was magically buffed all of a sudden. Just because its not used in the GSL.etc does not mean its not viable. Mech just needed some serious looking into, not playing a game and losing and going well its must be because mech is bad. Helions can hurt toss so much, Mass helions can decimate clumped up roaches.
On July 31 2012 09:18 MCDayC wrote: Mech actually didn't look bad there, imo that could have swung the other direction if he'd managed to finish the DTs and actually siege up in time.
Hack barely lost to Squirtle with it. And he beat Lure.
A composition of like 70% hellions 15% Tanks, 15% Ghost is pretty good.
I think far more tanks are needed. 40% Hellions, 40% Tanks, 15% Ghosts, 5% Vikings to manage warp prisms, floating around the map.
I dunno, I'm no pro, but just on the back of games where mass tanks are used lategame, in combination with Ghosts, they seem really effective, the Terran just has trouble quite closing it out.
Yeah I'm probably over reading the hellions numbers. But the guy was making 12 hellions at a time so.. it got huge pretty quick x)
On July 31 2012 09:25 Dunmer wrote: Typical a pro uses a Mech and suddenly everyone thinks its viable as if it was magically buffed all of a sudden. Just because its not used in the GSL.etc does not mean its not viable. Mech just needed some serious looking into, not playing a game and losing and going well its must be because mech is bad. Helions can hurt toss so much, Mass helions can decimate clumped up roaches.
Wait what? No-one even said anything at all about buffs. I think it is universally accepted that mech is unexplored, the question is whether this is due to mech just not being any good or whether the magical formula has not yet been found.
I mean, I do not disagree with what you are saying necessarily, but that was a really random comment...
On July 31 2012 09:27 Antithesis wrote: I think Doa and KevinKnocke are a more harmonizing duo than TB and Knocke... TB's style is kind of too outspoken for IPL I feel.
I feel Doa and Kevin are too "anything could happen" while TB is slightly too cynical which is refreshing IMHO.
On July 31 2012 09:29 MCDayC wrote: All I know is, unless HOTS changes significantly, when HOTS comes out I'm switch race and be meching like hell in all matchups.
And I ain't making no mutherfuckin' warhounds.
In that case I'll switch to toss and ruin your fun with my 22 range tempests.
On July 31 2012 09:29 MCDayC wrote: All I know is, unless HOTS changes significantly, when HOTS comes out I'm switch race and be meching like hell in all matchups.
And I ain't making no mutherfuckin' warhounds.
In that case I'll switch to toss and ruin your fun with my 22 range tempests.
On July 31 2012 09:25 Dunmer wrote: Typical a pro uses a Mech and suddenly everyone thinks its viable as if it was magically buffed all of a sudden. Just because its not used in the GSL.etc does not mean its not viable. Mech just needed some serious looking into, not playing a game and losing and going well its must be because mech is bad. Helions can hurt toss so much, Mass helions can decimate clumped up roaches.
Mech may be viable, but if there is a better composition (such as bio-viking), then it still will never be used.
On July 31 2012 09:29 MCDayC wrote: All I know is, unless HOTS changes significantly, when HOTS comes out I'm switch race and be meching like hell in all matchups.
And I ain't making no mutherfuckin' warhounds.
In that case I'll switch to toss and ruin your fun with my 22 range tempests.
I for one would like to see these mech vs rush to Tempest games in action!
On July 31 2012 09:25 Dunmer wrote: Typical a pro uses a Mech and suddenly everyone thinks its viable as if it was magically buffed all of a sudden. Just because its not used in the GSL.etc does not mean its not viable. Mech just needed some serious looking into, not playing a game and losing and going well its must be because mech is bad. Helions can hurt toss so much, Mass helions can decimate clumped up roaches.
Wait what? No-one even said anything at all about buffs. I think it is universally accepted that mech is unexplored, the question is whether this is due to mech just not being any good or whether the magical formula has not yet been found.
I mean, I do not disagree with what you are saying necessarily, but that was a really random comment...
I mean that because people all of a sudden realise mech can be viable because they see a pro use the strategy, it feels like it got buffed of a sudden, I am kind of mad because I mech/sky like every game and I can win with it. But on the forums people tell me its not viable and it only works against noobs. Which is a fair statement but then they are gobsmacked when a pro uses it.
And yes Bio-viking is more viable(at this moment in time), nobody disputes that. But you have to be in Taeja mode or your opponent will probably win. By this I mean the terran has to play alot faster and precisely or his army melts.
Lets keep the strategy discussion out though or it will turn to balance whine
On July 31 2012 09:35 PhoenixVoid wrote: Just tuned in, and it looks like Squirtle has been slaughtering Illusion. Were any of the games close?
A couple of them went to the late game, one where Illusion went mech, but he didn't have the multitasking to pressure at the front and deal with DT drops, and so both lost his army and his economy in both games.
First the fight club event with Hero/DRG/MMA, now this...
Is it just me or is IPL matching Illusion with impossible odds? I understand that they want to support upcoming NA talent, but maybe a small reality check is in order.
Guess I kinda overestimated Illusion thinking he could take as many as 2 games, though honestly I've never payed attention to his play so I had no clue.
While I understand not wanting PvP, some one needs to tell IPL that mirrors are acceptable, even preferred in some cases, at least to me. ZvZ and TvT are both great if you get the right players.
On July 31 2012 09:45 MCDayC wrote: While I understand not wanting PvP, some one needs to tell IPL that mirrors are acceptable, even preferred in some cases, at least to me. ZvZ and TvT are both great if you get the right players.
Yeah, but PvP is just terrible.
It either ends super fast or in late game its 10 second fight and gg.
On July 31 2012 09:45 MCDayC wrote: While I understand not wanting PvP, some one needs to tell IPL that mirrors are acceptable, even preferred in some cases, at least to me. ZvZ and TvT are both great if you get the right players.
On July 31 2012 09:45 MCDayC wrote: While I understand not wanting PvP, some one needs to tell IPL that mirrors are acceptable, even preferred in some cases, at least to me. ZvZ and TvT are both great if you get the right players.
On July 31 2012 09:45 MCDayC wrote: While I understand not wanting PvP, some one needs to tell IPL that mirrors are acceptable, even preferred in some cases, at least to me. ZvZ and TvT are both great if you get the right players.
I disagree. ZvZ and PvP NEVER FUN TO WATCH!
... Watch high level ZvZ's in the last month please, preferably from GSTL. If you don't enjoy them, then you're completely nuts.
On July 31 2012 09:18 WigglingSquid wrote: Oh, TB's casting. Not the best duo for analysis, but still a favourite.
Indeed, TB and Apollo compliment each other very well but Apollo doesnt really get many cultural references. The banter was excellent with TB and Knocke together. Very entertaining!
On July 31 2012 09:45 MCDayC wrote: While I understand not wanting PvP, some one needs to tell IPL that mirrors are acceptable, even preferred in some cases, at least to me. ZvZ and TvT are both great if you get the right players.
EPT
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