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Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
July 22 2012 01:49 GMT
#4881
People keep saying that if Stephano was a random Code B korean, you have to remember that Stephano isn't someone who just did good during this tournament, he won IPL 3, ESWC and NASL 3, 2nd at Assembly, 3rd at MLG Arena.

What other Code B korean have won 3 foreign tournaments and placed high in others? the answer is this -

Puma
He won 2 NASL and 1 IEM, while placing 2nd at IEM WC and high finishes in other tournaments.
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
July 22 2012 01:49 GMT
#4882
On July 22 2012 10:46 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:41 Fig wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:38 sAsImre wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:36 Fig wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army

Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time
Time that Taeja doesn't have.

he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army.
And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira.


He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever...

Well it's all how you play the other part of the game. Seems like Taeja likes getting early gasses right? He also likes killing creep tumors right? Well instead of using a ton a scans to clear them, use mules to get more minerals and use your gas to get a raven! Not like he doesn't have starport with tech lab. He even made banshees early on. Just get a raven, and then you can get a second raven, and a third. And since they take so long, they won't really eat into any of your resources, except your huge gas bank. That's how you do it early enough


are you serious?
You know that upgrades/tanks/medivacs require gas and that you only have 6 gas as T in mid game. And you know what happen to a T who pushes on creep? btw Taeja did so well on that side that he didn't even scan.
I hop, sincerely hope it's a troll...

Well I don't know what you consider a troll. I am theory crafting, but that's just because I can't pull something like that off myself. You did see that Taeja had 4000 gas at the end of the game right? And even from midgame on he had at least 500 at all times


OK i'll just do a brief summary of what Taeja did:
A quick 3rd CC with hellion/banshee and double ebay aiming at a pre-hive 200/200 with 2/2 timing
In order to push you need to clean the creep, so you might scan. You just cannot push on creep. Ever.

Then you try to max out asap, and you dedicate ALL your infrastructure to build your army asap, so you get 1port with a reactor, 2fac and 6/7raxes. That's the best set up atm, and if you aim to these kind of pushes you cannot afford something else. If Taeja floated some gas it was under 500.

In order to get your sky terran going you need 2/3k gas to begin with and throw down 5/6 ports. The problem here is that Taeja failed his pre-hive push and had to build vikings asap to survive to the blord push. There was no timing to get the infrastructure needed because he had to produce vikings from those starports.

Then Losira switched and since T's production is slow you can't really say, hey, i'm switching into sky terran now, wait 5minutes mate.

I did explain that there are ways to make air units besides putting up 5-6 starports all at once. Your way is just a gimmick tech switch that you hope they don't see coming.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
July 22 2012 01:49 GMT
#4883
On July 22 2012 10:47 Fig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:45 Whatson wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:43 Fig wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:40 Whatson wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:38 Fig wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:34 Noocta wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army

Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time
Time that Taeja doesn't have.

he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army.
And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira.


He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever...


It take as much time for a Raven to get enough energy to use a HSM than for a Mothership to use a Vortex.
And that's WITH energy upgrade.

TaeJa didn't have the techlab starport, nor the air upgrades.. It take forever to make this transition sadly.

Game was close tho, TaeJa could have won by playing a bit better.

This is simply not true. Taeja did have techlab starport, he was making banshees early game!

Somebody doesn't play Terran. It takes freakin forever to build ravens, even more time for HSM. How would you like to have 20 supply tied up in units that require so much freaking time to become effective for ONE shot.

It's true I don't play terran, but you can't say that having a raven would have been detrimental to him while clearing creep. I was pointing out a way to start using gas

Once again, having supply tied up in early/mid game cost-ineffective units is not exactly a good for your theory-crafting

So you're saying that you would rather spend 300 minerals (6 marines) on a scan every minute rather than pay 100/200 once? I think your way is less cost effective

No, the bigger sacrifice is TIME. Time that could be spent making more medivacs for harassment and keeping your bio alive. I forget how long it takes to make a raven, but it takes FOREVER. And if you want to imply that a Terran should throw down additional starports for both raven + medivac production, that means slower tanks, slower upgrades.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 22 2012 01:49 GMT
#4884
Taeja needs a second factory. He doesn't have the tank count to deal with ling/bane/muta.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4885
this reminds me of leenock
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4886
fucking epic TvZ right now...

sidenote: does Taeja seriously not have conc. shell.... O_O (sigh)
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4887
On July 22 2012 10:45 -TesteR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:41 DOUDOU wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:40 Shiori wrote:
I've definitely heard people say Stephano is significantly better than DRG on more than one occasion.

and exactly for how long have you been hearing voices in your head?


To be fair, the GSL RO4 thread was littered with comments exactly as Shiori described.


I remember this too.

Something along the lines of "Stephano would never drop 0-3 to MC".
And a few anecdotes about Symbol vs Seed, and how it's supposedly evidence that Stephano is the best Zerg in SC2.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4888
Losira stealing Hyun's builds
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4889
On July 22 2012 10:49 Hiea wrote:
People keep saying that if Stephano was a random Code B korean, you have to remember that Stephano isn't someone who just did good during this tournament, he won IPL 3, ESWC and NASL 3, 2nd at Assembly, 3rd at MLG Arena.

What other Code B korean have won 3 foreign tournaments and placed high in others? the answer is this -

Puma
He won 2 NASL and 1 IEM, while placing 2nd at IEM WC and high finishes in other tournaments.

And tell me how well Puma has done in GSL?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
DNA61289
Profile Joined August 2010
United States665 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4890
taeja is stimming to much.
But yeah being a Korean gamer is very imba. If you're a non-korean gamer you have to balance your game playing with earning money and your real life. If you're Korean you just sit around playing games all day eating 2 cent ramyun and becoming gosu.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17729 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4891
On July 22 2012 10:39 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:37 mordk wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:35 sam05396 wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:32 iamthedave wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:28 mordk wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:26 Seiferz wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.

I wait for the day he drops off.


So we can't have emotions, ok

Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano.

Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying.

Can't do anything about it though, too bad

Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself.


I agree. I can't understand these people who complain about "bias". I imagine that every time Stephano does something well, they cringe or something like that. It's a game and a cast, just take it for what it is.

No I don't. Stephano's moves are sometimes amazing, I'm able to distinguish that, like I said, he's a really good player. I dislike caster bias because casters aren't supposed to be THAT biased, they ruin the watching experience unless you're a fanboy. While overboard fanboys ruin LRs because of this kind of discussion


Yeah that's how I feel. Nothing against Stephano, but it's annoying listening to the casters act like every move he does is the greatest, most genius thing ever when a lot of the time it's actually pretty basic, and they brush over a lot of his mistakes.

Sometimes it's like the opponents don't get any credit, it's just the Stephano show. Though admittedly they've not been -that- bad here.

Really it's just an outgrowth of Stephano being the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans, and a lot of the fanbase simply aren't interested in Koreans, but will cheer anyone who isn't Korean.


well stephano is ridiculously good and wins from situations that no one else does, and him being the only foreigner to be able to consistently defeat koreans obviously warrants praise

The problem isn't with him having fans, that's fine

The problem lies with: Stephano burrows an ultra "OH MY GOD STEPHANO.. BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!".. Stephano lands a fungal "Jesus christ this is so good, DRG is a scrub compared to this" and all such ridiculous things, it's annoying.

But noone actually adds the 'DRG is a scrub'. Isn't that just insecurity speaking?

obviously he's exaggerating....but when you hear them hype actions of Stephano, and then compare to how the casters talk about DRG when he's playing even better, the bias is obvious
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4892
Well, this game is a good example on why people use infestors.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4893
taeja so good
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4894
Wow, Taeja, what a boss.
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4895
Those splits were amazing. Best I've seen all month.
http://grooveshark.com/#/deltrus/music
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4896
Lings / blings / mutas vs marine / medivac / tanks / thor is so so so entertaining to watch
Very very nice game again btw Taeja & Losira, wp Taeja !
Shadow and dust
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4897
Losira knows TaeJa beat Hyun in Code A once. He has a lot of experience with zerg going mass bane muta
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Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4898
SICK targetfire on those banes!!
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Skyline026
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands1129 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4899
Taejaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! One more!

Do it!
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mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
July 22 2012 01:50 GMT
#4900
Awesome game!
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