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On July 22 2012 10:41 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:40 Shiori wrote:
I've definitely heard people say Stephano is significantly better than DRG on more than one occasion. and exactly for how long have you been hearing voices in your head?
Lol there was plenty of talk about it when MC 3-0'd DRG. People were employing the bullshit transitive property (Stephano > MC, MC > DRG, therefore Stephano > DRG) to try to justify themselves.
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On July 22 2012 10:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:35 jalstar wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 Qikz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:30 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 22 2012 10:22 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Thank you. I wish more people understood this. Pretty much sums up how I feel as well. Stephano is of course a good player, but the insane amount of hype and bias around him drives me fucking insane. and much like the guy you quoted I can't help but root against him just because the fanboys and bias are more annoying to me than balance whine and trolls. I have been a fan of professional SC since the early broodwar days. To me, extreme bias by casters etc is not only annoying, it is extremely disrespectful to the other player. Competition is fine. Fans are fine. Even a few jabs here and there are fine. But this overly exaggerated worship of Stephano simply because hes a non-korean who plays well is really embarrassing to me. Maybe people need someone like themselves (non-korean) to cheer for, and thats fine. But its getting really old by now. Personally I think what was more embarrassing is the people who write off people at Starcraft just because they're not Korean. Yeah it's funny because Koreans like Polt, Jaedong, and Bisu among others have been doing their part to hype up Stephano, it's not just foreigners hyping him because he's a foreigner, people recognize legitimate skill. recognizing legitimate skill is fine. and Stephano is a skilled player. What is annoying, is the absolute blatant and stupid amount of bias towards him just because he is a foreigner. He does one simple thing that tons of players before him have done and things that B team Koreans execute just as well and the casters start screaming "OOHH MYY GODDD STEPHANO YOU"RE SO GOOD!" and the fanboys flood the LR with how amazing that play was and how Stephano is the best player in the world./rant
Stephano hotkeys an egg, OMG GAME-CHANGING, BRILLIANT PLAY BY STEPHANO!!
Stephano burrrows an ultralisk OMG INCREDIBLE MICRO, NOBODY ELSE BUT STEPHANO CAN DO THIS
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Fun fact: LosirA hasn't dropped a game
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On July 22 2012 10:40 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:38 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:34 Noocta wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time Time that Taeja doesn't have. he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army. And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira. He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever... It take as much time for a Raven to get enough energy to use a HSM than for a Mothership to use a Vortex. And that's WITH energy upgrade. TaeJa didn't have the techlab starport, nor the air upgrades.. It take forever to make this transition sadly. Game was close tho, TaeJa could have won by playing a bit better. This is simply not true. Taeja did have techlab starport, he was making banshees early game! Somebody doesn't play Terran. It takes freakin forever to build ravens, even more time for HSM. How would you like to have 20 supply tied up in units that require so much freaking time to become effective for ONE shot.
It's true I don't play terran, but you can't say that having a raven would have been detrimental to him while clearing creep. I was pointing out a way to start using gas
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I wonder why LosirA does not like going Infestor/Ling in the midgame right off the bat. Is he just more comfortable with Muta/Ling/Bane?
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On July 22 2012 10:43 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:35 Mackus wrote:I want Losira to win simply because I don't want MLG to conflict with Korean WCS starting in 25 mins  this isn't on the TL calendar???
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On July 22 2012 10:43 polyphonyEX wrote:
Fun fact: LosirA hasn't dropped a game
Neverlosira
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On July 22 2012 10:39 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:37 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:35 sam05396 wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 iamthedave wrote:On July 22 2012 10:28 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:26 Seiferz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself. I agree. I can't understand these people who complain about "bias". I imagine that every time Stephano does something well, they cringe or something like that. It's a game and a cast, just take it for what it is. No I don't. Stephano's moves are sometimes amazing, I'm able to distinguish that, like I said, he's a really good player. I dislike caster bias because casters aren't supposed to be THAT biased, they ruin the watching experience unless you're a fanboy. While overboard fanboys ruin LRs because of this kind of discussion Yeah that's how I feel. Nothing against Stephano, but it's annoying listening to the casters act like every move he does is the greatest, most genius thing ever when a lot of the time it's actually pretty basic, and they brush over a lot of his mistakes. Sometimes it's like the opponents don't get any credit, it's just the Stephano show. Though admittedly they've not been -that- bad here. Really it's just an outgrowth of Stephano being the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans, and a lot of the fanbase simply aren't interested in Koreans, but will cheer anyone who isn't Korean. well stephano is ridiculously good and wins from situations that no one else does, and him being the only foreigner to be able to consistently defeat koreans obviously warrants praise The problem isn't with him having fans, that's fine The problem lies with: Stephano burrows an ultra "OH MY GOD STEPHANO.. BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!".. Stephano lands a fungal "Jesus christ this is so good, DRG is a scrub compared to this" and all such ridiculous things, it's annoying. But noone actually adds the 'DRG is a scrub'. Isn't that just insecurity speaking?
This also goes both ways. When stephano loses theres a shitload of posts here saying that hes overrated , that he got completely outplayed , smashed etc. You dont see top tier koreans getting bashed EVERY SINGLE TIME they lose. Nobody calls DRG a scrub when he loses to someone , because you know no matter how good you are you lose at times. Stephano has many haters as well. People have to accept that players like him will either be loved or hated and thats all there is to it. Bias is because hes foreigner (and tbh it is expected) , hype is because of lots of fans , imo totally different.
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On July 22 2012 10:43 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 22 2012 10:35 jalstar wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 Qikz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:30 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 22 2012 10:22 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Thank you. I wish more people understood this. Pretty much sums up how I feel as well. Stephano is of course a good player, but the insane amount of hype and bias around him drives me fucking insane. and much like the guy you quoted I can't help but root against him just because the fanboys and bias are more annoying to me than balance whine and trolls. I have been a fan of professional SC since the early broodwar days. To me, extreme bias by casters etc is not only annoying, it is extremely disrespectful to the other player. Competition is fine. Fans are fine. Even a few jabs here and there are fine. But this overly exaggerated worship of Stephano simply because hes a non-korean who plays well is really embarrassing to me. Maybe people need someone like themselves (non-korean) to cheer for, and thats fine. But its getting really old by now. Personally I think what was more embarrassing is the people who write off people at Starcraft just because they're not Korean. Yeah it's funny because Koreans like Polt, Jaedong, and Bisu among others have been doing their part to hype up Stephano, it's not just foreigners hyping him because he's a foreigner, people recognize legitimate skill. recognizing legitimate skill is fine. and Stephano is a skilled player. What is annoying, is the absolute blatant and stupid amount of bias towards him just because he is a foreigner. He does one simple thing that tons of players before him have done and things that B team Koreans execute just as well and the casters start screaming "OOHH MYY GODDD STEPHANO YOU"RE SO GOOD!" and the fanboys flood the LR with how amazing that play was and how Stephano is the best player in the world./rant Stephano hotkeys an egg, OMG GAME-CHANGING, BRILLIANT PLAY BY STEPHANO!! Stephano burrrows an ultralisk OMG INCREDIBLE MICRO, NOBODY ELSE BUT STEPHANO CAN DO THIS
xD Exactly, things like that are soo damn frustrating to listen to/read
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On July 22 2012 10:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:42 SarcasmMonster wrote:Remember when Byun race switched a long long time ago in a galaxy far away from  to  because " is OP" (his words). What a cool guy. First player to qualify for GSL as 2 races 
Gumiho qualified with all 3 races...at the same time. But it was Code A I think.
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On July 22 2012 10:43 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:40 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:38 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:34 Noocta wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time Time that Taeja doesn't have. he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army. And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira. He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever... It take as much time for a Raven to get enough energy to use a HSM than for a Mothership to use a Vortex. And that's WITH energy upgrade. TaeJa didn't have the techlab starport, nor the air upgrades.. It take forever to make this transition sadly. Game was close tho, TaeJa could have won by playing a bit better. This is simply not true. Taeja did have techlab starport, he was making banshees early game! Somebody doesn't play Terran. It takes freakin forever to build ravens, even more time for HSM. How would you like to have 20 supply tied up in units that require so much freaking time to become effective for ONE shot. It's true I don't play terran, but you can't say that having a raven would have been detrimental to him while clearing creep. I was pointing out a way to start using gas
Once again, having supply tied up in early/mid game cost-ineffective units is not exactly a good for your theory-crafting
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On July 22 2012 10:42 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:41 DOUDOU wrote:On July 22 2012 10:40 Shiori wrote:
I've definitely heard people say Stephano is significantly better than DRG on more than one occasion. and exactly for how long have you been hearing voices in your head? You must not read the forums much.
I do. I've never seen anyone say Stephano is significantly better than DRG.
The worst I've heard is "Stephano is probably the best Zerg in the world right now".
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On July 22 2012 10:41 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:40 Shiori wrote:
I've definitely heard people say Stephano is significantly better than DRG on more than one occasion. and exactly for how long have you been hearing voices in your head?
To be fair, the GSL RO4 thread was littered with comments exactly as Shiori described.
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On July 22 2012 10:36 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time Time that Taeja doesn't have. he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army. And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira. He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever... Well it's all how you play the other part of the game. Seems like Taeja likes getting early gasses right? He also likes killing creep tumors right? Well instead of using a ton a scans to clear them, use mules to get more minerals and use your gas to get a raven! Not like he doesn't have starport with tech lab. He even made banshees early on. Just get a raven, and then you can get a second raven, and a third. And since they take so long, they won't really eat into any of your resources, except your huge gas bank. That's how you do it early enough
That would be true if gas was accumulating the entire game. In early game in TvX, almost all gas is used up in upgrades, tanks, and medivacs. Gas only builds up once terrans finish up their upgrades and switch over to constantly produce marines/marauders in order to survive and remax after army trades.
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On July 22 2012 10:44 Slike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:39 m0ck wrote:On July 22 2012 10:37 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:35 sam05396 wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 iamthedave wrote:On July 22 2012 10:28 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:26 Seiferz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:
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So we can't have emotions, ok
Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself. I agree. I can't understand these people who complain about "bias". I imagine that every time Stephano does something well, they cringe or something like that. It's a game and a cast, just take it for what it is. No I don't. Stephano's moves are sometimes amazing, I'm able to distinguish that, like I said, he's a really good player. I dislike caster bias because casters aren't supposed to be THAT biased, they ruin the watching experience unless you're a fanboy. While overboard fanboys ruin LRs because of this kind of discussion Yeah that's how I feel. Nothing against Stephano, but it's annoying listening to the casters act like every move he does is the greatest, most genius thing ever when a lot of the time it's actually pretty basic, and they brush over a lot of his mistakes. Sometimes it's like the opponents don't get any credit, it's just the Stephano show. Though admittedly they've not been -that- bad here. Really it's just an outgrowth of Stephano being the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans, and a lot of the fanbase simply aren't interested in Koreans, but will cheer anyone who isn't Korean. well stephano is ridiculously good and wins from situations that no one else does, and him being the only foreigner to be able to consistently defeat koreans obviously warrants praise The problem isn't with him having fans, that's fine The problem lies with: Stephano burrows an ultra "OH MY GOD STEPHANO.. BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!".. Stephano lands a fungal "Jesus christ this is so good, DRG is a scrub compared to this" and all such ridiculous things, it's annoying. But noone actually adds the 'DRG is a scrub'. Isn't that just insecurity speaking? This also goes both ways. When stephano loses theres a shitload of posts here saying that hes overrated , that he got completely outplayed , smashed etc. You dont see top tier koreans getting bashed EVERY SINGLE TIME they lose. Nobody calls DRG a scrub when he loses to someone , because you know no matter how good you are you lose at times. Stephano has many haters as well. People have to accept that players like him will either be loved or hated and thats all there is to it. Bias is because hes foreigner (and tbh it is expected) , hype is because of lots of fans , imo totally different.
Yes you do. Check out the posts on Hero, Ryung, Oz, and so on. Very very bashy.
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Taeja playing like a beast....
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On July 22 2012 10:44 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 22 2012 10:42 SarcasmMonster wrote:Remember when Byun race switched a long long time ago in a galaxy far away from to because " is OP" (his words). What a cool guy. First player to qualify for GSL as 2 races Gumiho qualified with all 3 races...at the same time. But it was Code A I think.
haha true it might have actually been one of the open seasons. I dont think GPig ever qualified as random when he played random but I know he at least qualified once as protoss and maybe as terran. I think Gumiho is still the only random player ever
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Terrans have an awful 4th mentality currently, the centering around third is just outdated in todays metagame
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On July 22 2012 10:45 chambertin wrote:
Taeja playing like a beast....
That's because he is a beast 
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