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On July 22 2012 10:34 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:30 Oboeman wrote:
4000 gas, why not make fewer marines and make medivacs 5 at a time after you stop making vikings, so ultras can't hurt anyone. an army of medivacs and vikings won't help against ultras/lings and it's not like he can start making the perfect unit composition with a snap of a finger
No. thats zerg.
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On July 22 2012 10:35 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:32 Qikz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:30 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 22 2012 10:22 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Thank you. I wish more people understood this. Pretty much sums up how I feel as well. Stephano is of course a good player, but the insane amount of hype and bias around him drives me fucking insane. and much like the guy you quoted I can't help but root against him just because the fanboys and bias are more annoying to me than balance whine and trolls. I have been a fan of professional SC since the early broodwar days. To me, extreme bias by casters etc is not only annoying, it is extremely disrespectful to the other player. Competition is fine. Fans are fine. Even a few jabs here and there are fine. But this overly exaggerated worship of Stephano simply because hes a non-korean who plays well is really embarrassing to me. Maybe people need someone like themselves (non-korean) to cheer for, and thats fine. But its getting really old by now. Personally I think what was more embarrassing is the people who write off people at Starcraft just because they're not Korean. Yeah it's funny because Koreans like Polt, Jaedong, and Bisu among others have been doing their part to hype up Stephano, it's not just foreigners hyping him because he's a foreigner, people recognize legitimate skill.
Not to be a hater, but it is common practice among popular individuals to appease communities by praising something that represents them.
SC2's community is a fairly hysterical one, which means that a few kind words of appreciation are often annoyingly overhyped.
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On July 22 2012 10:37 RyF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:32 TheHova wrote:
I wish BCs/Ravens and Carriers were as accessible as Broodlords are. Feel so sorry for Terran in this matchup... ty bro ^^ well taeja played extremely well. he prepared for broods as good as possible. how the hell is he supposed to have like 20 marauders out 1min after the broods are dead to fight all those ultras while having 20 useless vikings as well? he wasn't even able to drop efectiveley becaus losira played flawles and defended his expansions so well. the only mistake he made was the angagement with his broodlords but as the game unfolded you could even say the broodlord loss was intentional. just lol...
What a luxury. Throw away your entire army and still roll your opponent a couple minutes later. Must be nice being a pro Zerg right now. Terran .... not so much. But Terran had it's time in the sun, so I guess it evens out.
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On July 22 2012 10:36 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time Time that Taeja doesn't have. he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army. And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira. He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever... Well it's all how you play the other part of the game. Seems like Taeja likes getting early gasses right? He also likes killing creep tumors right? Well instead of using a ton a scans to clear them, use mules to get more minerals and use your gas to get a raven! Not like he doesn't have starport with tech lab. He even made banshees early on. Just get a raven, and then you can get a second raven, and a third. And since they take so long, they won't really eat into any of your resources, except your huge gas bank. That's how you do it early enough
are you serious?
You know that upgrades/tanks/medivacs require gas and that you only have 6 gas as T in mid game. And you know what happen to a T who pushes on creep? btw Taeja did so well on that side that he didn't even scan.
I hop, sincerely hope it's a troll...
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On July 22 2012 10:34 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time Time that Taeja doesn't have. he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army. And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira. He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever... It take as much time for a Raven to get enough energy to use a HSM than for a Mothership to use a Vortex. And that's WITH energy upgrade. TaeJa didn't have the techlab starport, nor the air upgrades.. It take forever to make this transition sadly. Game was close tho, TaeJa could have won by playing a bit better.
This is simply not true. Taeja did have techlab starport, he was making banshees early game!
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On July 22 2012 10:35 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:32 Zane wrote:On July 22 2012 10:31 stuchiu wrote:
People should stop using the units lost tab. It doesn't give an accurate picture of who is at an advantage or disadvantage in a game. True. People should start using the game timer to see who is at an advantage/disadvantage. ...and in mirror matches?
Well PvP is obvious: colossus count. TvT and ZvZ? No idea.
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On July 22 2012 10:36 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:34 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2012 10:30 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 22 2012 10:22 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Thank you. I wish more people understood this. Pretty much sums up how I feel as well. Stephano is of course a good player, but the insane amount of hype and bias around him drives me fucking insane. and much like the guy you quoted I can't help but root against him just because the fanboys and bias are more annoying to me than balance whine and trolls. I have been a fan of professional SC since the early broodwar days. To me, extreme bias by casters etc is not only annoying, it is extremely disrespectful to the other player. Competition is fine. Fans are fine. Even a few jabs here and there are fine. But this overly exaggerated worship of Stephano simply because hes a non-korean who plays well is really embarrassing to me. Maybe people need someone like themselves (non-korean) to cheer for, and thats fine. But its getting really old by now. Well, that's what happens when one foreigner stands out above all the rest. People need someone to cheer for, and massive amounts of bias and fanboyism is annoying, but sadly inevitable. If we lived in some alternate universe in which the things Stephano has done was instead performed by some random Code B Korean who hasn't been in the GSL yet, it would be interesting to see if people would still try to call him the best/one of the best players in the world. It is all about making Stephano a hero of the foreigners of sorts, who represents the struggles of foreigners against the "faceless" Koreans. It is a lot easier to hype and love the rock star of SC2 rather than a quiet, non-English speaking Korean who is simply set on winning and gaining money. Yes, the Stephano worship is getting ridiculous, but don't blame the casters when basically all foreigners want Stephano for his symbolism.
Pretty sure Stephano's only set on winning and gaining money
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On July 22 2012 10:37 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:35 sam05396 wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 iamthedave wrote:On July 22 2012 10:28 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:26 Seiferz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself. I agree. I can't understand these people who complain about "bias". I imagine that every time Stephano does something well, they cringe or something like that. It's a game and a cast, just take it for what it is. No I don't. Stephano's moves are sometimes amazing, I'm able to distinguish that, like I said, he's a really good player. I dislike caster bias because casters aren't supposed to be THAT biased, they ruin the watching experience unless you're a fanboy. While overboard fanboys ruin LRs because of this kind of discussion Yeah that's how I feel. Nothing against Stephano, but it's annoying listening to the casters act like every move he does is the greatest, most genius thing ever when a lot of the time it's actually pretty basic, and they brush over a lot of his mistakes. Sometimes it's like the opponents don't get any credit, it's just the Stephano show. Though admittedly they've not been -that- bad here. Really it's just an outgrowth of Stephano being the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans, and a lot of the fanbase simply aren't interested in Koreans, but will cheer anyone who isn't Korean. well stephano is ridiculously good and wins from situations that no one else does, and him being the only foreigner to be able to consistently defeat koreans obviously warrants praise The problem isn't with him having fans, that's fine The problem lies with: Stephano burrows an ultra "OH MY GOD STEPHANO.. BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!".. Stephano lands a fungal "Jesus christ this is so good, DRG is a scrub compared to this" and all such ridiculous things, it's annoying.
But noone actually adds the 'DRG is a scrub'. Isn't that just insecurity speaking?
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On July 22 2012 10:37 GwSC wrote:
Should have just built some Ravens
Exactly.
+ Show Spoiler +I know it's a joke, sadly... T_T
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On July 22 2012 10:37 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:24 Shiori wrote:On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself. How the fuck did you get that from his post? I'm pretty sure nobody has an orgasm every time MC blinks a Stalker, especially not the casters. You can't deny that the amount of Stephano-affection from players and casters alike is huge and gets pretty ridiculous at times. Yes, it goes completely overboard - both the cheering and the booing. But it's the same thing for all the 'great' players. DRG looses two matched in a row and there's a fan collection of pictures of sneakers to show support. Mkp had a fan collection of money to send him to a mlg. MC, well, he's not the best example. But think of the adoration Hero recieves. My point is that stephano's fans are no different than the supporters of other players. Casters do tend to like him - he often stands out as lone foreign representative in later stages of tournaments and he's a bit of a character as well. There's lot to talk about and right at this moment it's hard to see a zerg more successful. That is extraordinary for a player training in Europe. Of course there is gonna be a lot of buzz around him. It's unavoidable that there will be some kind of identification from both casters and fans. The less riled about it you get, the more enjoyable the LR-threads will be. You can't control peoples enthusiasm and yelling back just makes everything worse.
All those things you listed about other fans, are completely fine and nice and fun, and nothing at all compared to what we're saying here with Stephano, you're not getting the point.
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Losira with very early 4 gas.
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On July 22 2012 10:38 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:34 Noocta wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time Time that Taeja doesn't have. he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army. And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira. He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever... It take as much time for a Raven to get enough energy to use a HSM than for a Mothership to use a Vortex. And that's WITH energy upgrade. TaeJa didn't have the techlab starport, nor the air upgrades.. It take forever to make this transition sadly. Game was close tho, TaeJa could have won by playing a bit better. This is simply not true. Taeja did have techlab starport, he was making banshees early game!
That starport got a reactor afterward.
And by lategame it was still 1 or 2 starports.
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On July 22 2012 10:39 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:35 HaXXspetten wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 Zane wrote:On July 22 2012 10:31 stuchiu wrote:
People should stop using the units lost tab. It doesn't give an accurate picture of who is at an advantage or disadvantage in a game. True. People should start using the game timer to see who is at an advantage/disadvantage. ...and in mirror matches? Well PvP is obvious: colossus count. TvT and ZvZ? No idea.
tank count (force everyone to go mech or marine tank ^^)
infestor count
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On July 22 2012 10:32 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:31 stuchiu wrote:
People should stop using the units lost tab. It doesn't give an accurate picture of who is at an advantage or disadvantage in a game. True. People should start using the game timer to see who is at an advantage/disadvantage.
hhhmm at first I laughed and thought it this was a sarcastic comment...but then again in nonmirrors....
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On July 22 2012 10:39 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:37 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:35 sam05396 wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 iamthedave wrote:On July 22 2012 10:28 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:26 Seiferz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself. I agree. I can't understand these people who complain about "bias". I imagine that every time Stephano does something well, they cringe or something like that. It's a game and a cast, just take it for what it is. No I don't. Stephano's moves are sometimes amazing, I'm able to distinguish that, like I said, he's a really good player. I dislike caster bias because casters aren't supposed to be THAT biased, they ruin the watching experience unless you're a fanboy. While overboard fanboys ruin LRs because of this kind of discussion Yeah that's how I feel. Nothing against Stephano, but it's annoying listening to the casters act like every move he does is the greatest, most genius thing ever when a lot of the time it's actually pretty basic, and they brush over a lot of his mistakes. Sometimes it's like the opponents don't get any credit, it's just the Stephano show. Though admittedly they've not been -that- bad here. Really it's just an outgrowth of Stephano being the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans, and a lot of the fanbase simply aren't interested in Koreans, but will cheer anyone who isn't Korean. well stephano is ridiculously good and wins from situations that no one else does, and him being the only foreigner to be able to consistently defeat koreans obviously warrants praise The problem isn't with him having fans, that's fine The problem lies with: Stephano burrows an ultra "OH MY GOD STEPHANO.. BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!".. Stephano lands a fungal "Jesus christ this is so good, DRG is a scrub compared to this" and all such ridiculous things, it's annoying. But noone actually adds the 'DRG is a scrub'. Isn't that just insecurity speaking?
I've definitely heard people say Stephano is significantly better than DRG on more than one occasion.
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If Byun says TvZ has been solved via bc raven, I trust his opinion above anyone posting here in this thread.+--
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On July 22 2012 10:39 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:37 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:35 sam05396 wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 iamthedave wrote:On July 22 2012 10:28 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:26 Seiferz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself. I agree. I can't understand these people who complain about "bias". I imagine that every time Stephano does something well, they cringe or something like that. It's a game and a cast, just take it for what it is. No I don't. Stephano's moves are sometimes amazing, I'm able to distinguish that, like I said, he's a really good player. I dislike caster bias because casters aren't supposed to be THAT biased, they ruin the watching experience unless you're a fanboy. While overboard fanboys ruin LRs because of this kind of discussion Yeah that's how I feel. Nothing against Stephano, but it's annoying listening to the casters act like every move he does is the greatest, most genius thing ever when a lot of the time it's actually pretty basic, and they brush over a lot of his mistakes. Sometimes it's like the opponents don't get any credit, it's just the Stephano show. Though admittedly they've not been -that- bad here. Really it's just an outgrowth of Stephano being the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans, and a lot of the fanbase simply aren't interested in Koreans, but will cheer anyone who isn't Korean. well stephano is ridiculously good and wins from situations that no one else does, and him being the only foreigner to be able to consistently defeat koreans obviously warrants praise The problem isn't with him having fans, that's fine The problem lies with: Stephano burrows an ultra "OH MY GOD STEPHANO.. BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!".. Stephano lands a fungal "Jesus christ this is so good, DRG is a scrub compared to this" and all such ridiculous things, it's annoying. But noone actually adds the 'DRG is a scrub'. Isn't that just insecurity speaking?
Yeah they do hahaha.. all the time. Also, I'm not a fan of DRG that's just an example
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On July 22 2012 10:38 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:34 Noocta wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time Time that Taeja doesn't have. he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army. And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira. He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever... It take as much time for a Raven to get enough energy to use a HSM than for a Mothership to use a Vortex. And that's WITH energy upgrade. TaeJa didn't have the techlab starport, nor the air upgrades.. It take forever to make this transition sadly. Game was close tho, TaeJa could have won by playing a bit better. This is simply not true. Taeja did have techlab starport, he was making banshees early game!
Somebody doesn't play Terran. It takes freakin forever to build ravens, even more time for HSM. How would you like to have 20 supply tied up in units that require so much freaking time to become effective for ONE shot.
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On July 22 2012 10:37 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:35 WigglingSquid wrote:On July 22 2012 10:32 Pandain wrote:On July 22 2012 10:30 FairForever wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 illsick wrote:
taeja had great engagements...
He also had 54 food in Vikings vs an Ultra/Ling army lol this post will get ignored. The obvious counter is that he had to get that amount to deal with the broodlords.... but he didn't need THAT many. I would say he did. Even then, he only won because Losire fungaled just once and flew his corruptors over free marine fire. You're telling me he needed 27 vikings... AFTER like 4 or 5 died to the army? So he had 32 vikings... that's more food invested in anti-broodlord/corrupter than there were food in BL/Corrupter. Originally I thought it was a mistake but the more I think about it I'm starting to convince myself that Losira intentionally did it to free up supply for Ultras O_O
I don't get why people keep saying Terrans over make stuff; The Zerg is the one that is able to switch and react instantly to what Terran has. For example, if Taeja didn't have 20+ Vikings that game, Losira could of simply remax'd on BL/Corruptor/Infestor again and people would be going "LOL Taeja made too little vikings!", so in reality, Taeja is pretty screwed either way
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On July 22 2012 10:37 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:24 Shiori wrote:On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself. How the fuck did you get that from his post? I'm pretty sure nobody has an orgasm every time MC blinks a Stalker, especially not the casters. You can't deny that the amount of Stephano-affection from players and casters alike is huge and gets pretty ridiculous at times. Yes, it goes completely overboard - both the cheering and the booing. But it's the same thing for all the 'great' players. DRG looses two matched in a row and there's a fan collection of pictures of sneakers to show support. Mkp had a fan collection of money to send him to a mlg. MC, well, he's not the best example. But think of the adoration Hero recieves. My point is that stephano's fans are no different than the supporters of other players. Casters do tend to like him - he often stands out as lone foreign representative in later stages of tournaments and he's a bit of a character as well. There's lot to talk about and right at this moment it's hard to see a zerg more successful. That is extraordinary for a player training in Europe. Of course there is gonna be a lot of buzz around him. It's unavoidable that there will be some kind of identification from both casters and fans. The less riled about it you get, the more enjoyable the LR-threads will be. You can't control peoples enthusiasm and yelling back just makes everything worse.
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