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On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time Time that Taeja doesn't have. he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army. And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira.
The big problem with Terran air is that it also requires 3/3 air upgrades with PDD to combat Zerg air. It's possible to beat Zerg with that specific army, but it takes much much longer to aquire which is why you only see it on the biggest maps of SC2. Not to mention the transition to it can be quite scary since it requires so many starports.
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On July 22 2012 10:32 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:30 chambertin wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
So... Losira suicided his invincible army and then still auto-won.
Usually I don't complain about ZvT, but this even makes me arch my eyebrows. This club is starting to get pretty big... Losira had resources to remax, and the the Terran pushed out to go for the kill... with 27 vikings. He hadn't sac'ed any SCVs, so his 100 food army (not including the useless vikings) got creamed by ultra/ling/bling.
he sacked scvs multiple times
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On July 22 2012 10:33 Moka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:31 aintz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:30 Diizzy wrote:
am i the only one who keeps thinking this game needs a higher supply cap? yes. 200/200 is fine. Yeah, i don't think we need a 400/400 protoss deathball XD
neither do we need a 400/400 infestor broodlord army
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illsick
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On July 22 2012 10:30 Oboeman wrote:
4000 gas, why not make fewer marines and make medivacs 5 at a time after you stop making vikings, so ultras can't hurt anyone.
an army of medivacs and vikings won't help against ultras/lings and it's not like he can start making the perfect unit composition with a snap of a finger
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On July 22 2012 10:32 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:31 stuchiu wrote:
People should stop using the units lost tab. It doesn't give an accurate picture of who is at an advantage or disadvantage in a game. True. People should start using the game timer to see who is at an advantage/disadvantage.
This made me laugh really hard.
+ Show Spoiler +And cry a little bit on the inside.
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On July 22 2012 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
So... Losira suicided his invincible army and then still auto-won.
Usually I don't complain about ZvT, but this even makes me arch my eyebrows.
2850 minerals and 1425 gas invested in 19 vikings, that instantly became useless when transitioned away from broodlords. teaja even got the maximum out of them, taking a bunch of drones with them to death, but its still ridiculous. same with collosi -> hts transition. vikings are terribly designed.
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On July 22 2012 10:34 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:30 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 22 2012 10:22 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Thank you. I wish more people understood this. Pretty much sums up how I feel as well. Stephano is of course a good player, but the insane amount of hype and bias around him drives me fucking insane. and much like the guy you quoted I can't help but root against him just because the fanboys and bias are more annoying to me than balance whine and trolls. I have been a fan of professional SC since the early broodwar days. To me, extreme bias by casters etc is not only annoying, it is extremely disrespectful to the other player. Competition is fine. Fans are fine. Even a few jabs here and there are fine. But this overly exaggerated worship of Stephano simply because hes a non-korean who plays well is really embarrassing to me. Maybe people need someone like themselves (non-korean) to cheer for, and thats fine. But its getting really old by now. Well, that's what happens when one foreigner stands out above all the rest. People need someone to cheer for, and massive amounts of bias and fanboyism is annoying, but sadly inevitable. If we lived in some alternate universe in which the things Stephano has done was instead performed by some random Code B Korean who hasn't been in the GSL yet, it would be interesting to see if people would still try to call him the best/one of the best players in the world.
They wouldn't. First has been crushing his way through this MLG so far and so has Taeja. Don't see anyone salivating over their every move.
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United States97276 Posts
On July 22 2012 10:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:31 aintz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:30 Diizzy wrote:
am i the only one who keeps thinking this game needs a higher supply cap? yes. 200/200 is fine. lol could you imagine Zerg going from that 300 army push (with extra larvae) to a 400 army push (by just having a few extra macro hatches and queens late game)?
fast roach max in zvp... 300 food at like the 15 min mark lol
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On July 22 2012 10:32 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:31 stuchiu wrote:
People should stop using the units lost tab. It doesn't give an accurate picture of who is at an advantage or disadvantage in a game. True. People should start using the game timer to see who is at an advantage/disadvantage.
Haha, I lol'ed at this one :D
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On July 22 2012 10:32 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:30 FairForever wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 illsick wrote:
taeja had great engagements...
He also had 54 food in Vikings vs an Ultra/Ling army lol this post will get ignored. The obvious counter is that he had to get that amount to deal with the broodlords.... but he didn't need THAT many.
But we were just told this game was super high level and both players played impeccably.
I saw overmaking of vikings, marine clumping, a terrible engagement by Losira in the middle, but I guess I'm just a dumbass because I thought Stephano vs Ryung was far more entertaining.
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On July 22 2012 10:32 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:30 DOUDOU wrote:On July 22 2012 10:22 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 22 2012 10:17 DOUDOU wrote:On July 22 2012 10:13 Mackus wrote:
When will Stephano accept a Code S invite? He's eligible for it (again) being the highest placed foreigner on the MLG-GSL exchange he will play GSL 2012 season 4 I thought he said in an interview at NASL that he would only be playing GSTL not GSL when he was in Korea? he pretty much confirmed he will take a code S seed next season during his interview with the aaa guy Pretty sure he said his seed is for october not august
The next season Is In October.
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On July 22 2012 10:32 chambertin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time Time that Taeja doesn't have. he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army. And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira. He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever...
It take as much time for a Raven to get enough energy to use a HSM than for a Mothership to use a Vortex.
And that's WITH energy upgrade.
TaeJa didn't have the techlab starport, nor the air upgrades.. It take forever to make this transition sadly.
Game was close tho, TaeJa could have won by playing a bit better.
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On July 22 2012 10:33 Moka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:31 aintz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:30 Diizzy wrote:
am i the only one who keeps thinking this game needs a higher supply cap? yes. 200/200 is fine. Yeah, i don't think we need a 400/400 protoss deathball XD
I think I'd be cool to see how the game would be played out at a cap at maybe 150.
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On July 22 2012 10:34 TitleRug wrote:
he sacked scvs multiple times
He sacked like 5 at a time, it didn't help him at all
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So I don't get how Losira can still win by losing 30% more resources loss overall throughout the game, bungals an engagement and loses his whole BL/Infestor army, but ends up winning anyways
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On July 22 2012 10:32 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:30 FairForever wrote:On July 22 2012 10:29 illsick wrote:
taeja had great engagements...
He also had 54 food in Vikings vs an Ultra/Ling army lol this post will get ignored. The obvious counter is that he had to get that amount to deal with the broodlords.... but he didn't need THAT many.
I would say he did. Even then, he only won because Losire fungaled just once and flew his corruptors over free marine fire.
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Wut? I thought the Terran Hope was Byun.
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On July 22 2012 10:32 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:30 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 22 2012 10:22 captainshards wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Thank you. I wish more people understood this. Pretty much sums up how I feel as well. Stephano is of course a good player, but the insane amount of hype and bias around him drives me fucking insane. and much like the guy you quoted I can't help but root against him just because the fanboys and bias are more annoying to me than balance whine and trolls. I have been a fan of professional SC since the early broodwar days. To me, extreme bias by casters etc is not only annoying, it is extremely disrespectful to the other player. Competition is fine. Fans are fine. Even a few jabs here and there are fine. But this overly exaggerated worship of Stephano simply because hes a non-korean who plays well is really embarrassing to me. Maybe people need someone like themselves (non-korean) to cheer for, and thats fine. But its getting really old by now. Personally I think what was more embarrassing is the people who write off people at Starcraft just because they're not Korean.
Yeah it's funny because Koreans like Polt, Jaedong, and Bisu among others have been doing their part to hype up Stephano, it's not just foreigners hyping him because he's a foreigner, people recognize legitimate skill.
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On July 22 2012 10:32 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:28 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:26 Seiferz wrote:On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.
I wait for the day he drops off. So we can't have emotions, ok Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano. Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying. Can't do anything about it though, too bad Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself. I agree. I can't understand these people who complain about "bias". I imagine that every time Stephano does something well, they cringe or something like that. It's a game and a cast, just take it for what it is. No I don't. Stephano's moves are sometimes amazing, I'm able to distinguish that, like I said, he's a really good player. I dislike caster bias because casters aren't supposed to be THAT biased, they ruin the watching experience unless you're a fanboy. While overboard fanboys ruin LRs because of this kind of discussion Yeah that's how I feel. Nothing against Stephano, but it's annoying listening to the casters act like every move he does is the greatest, most genius thing ever when a lot of the time it's actually pretty basic, and they brush over a lot of his mistakes. Sometimes it's like the opponents don't get any credit, it's just the Stephano show. Though admittedly they've not been -that- bad here. Really it's just an outgrowth of Stephano being the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans, and a lot of the fanbase simply aren't interested in Koreans, but will cheer anyone who isn't Korean.
well stephano is ridiculously good and wins from situations that no one else does, and him being the only foreigner to be able to consistently defeat koreans obviously warrants praise
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On July 22 2012 10:32 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:31 stuchiu wrote:
People should stop using the units lost tab. It doesn't give an accurate picture of who is at an advantage or disadvantage in a game. True. People should start using the game timer to see who is at an advantage/disadvantage.
...and in mirror matches?
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