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frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
July 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#4741
On July 22 2012 10:30 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:22 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:17 DOUDOU wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:13 Mackus wrote:
When will Stephano accept a Code S invite? He's eligible for it (again) being the highest placed foreigner on the MLG-GSL exchange

he will play GSL 2012 season 4

I thought he said in an interview at NASL that he would only be playing GSTL not GSL when he was in Korea?

he pretty much confirmed he will take a code S seed next season during his interview with the aaa guy


Four days ago on Live On Three he said he wouldn't take it. I don't know what interview you're talking about.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
July 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#4742
On July 22 2012 10:30 captainshards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:22 captainshards wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.

I wait for the day he drops off.


So we can't have emotions, ok

Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano.

Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying.

Can't do anything about it though, too bad


Thank you. I wish more people understood this.

Pretty much sums up how I feel as well.

Stephano is of course a good player, but the insane amount of hype and bias around him drives me fucking insane. and much like the guy you quoted I can't help but root against him just because the fanboys and bias are more annoying to me than balance whine and trolls.


I have been a fan of professional SC since the early broodwar days. To me, extreme bias by casters etc is not only annoying, it is extremely disrespectful to the other player. Competition is fine. Fans are fine. Even a few jabs here and there are fine. But this overly exaggerated worship of Stephano simply because hes a non-korean who plays well is really embarrassing to me. Maybe people need someone like themselves (non-korean) to cheer for, and thats fine. But its getting really old by now.


Personally I think what was more embarrassing is the people who write off people at Starcraft just because they're not Korean.
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chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
July 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#4743
On July 22 2012 10:31 Fig wrote:
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On July 22 2012 10:29 Whatson wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:29 Fig wrote:
use your 4000 gas....... Then maybe you would have an army

Mass ravens/BCs takes a lot of time
Time that Taeja doesn't have.

he had plenty of time when losira was building up his own expensive army.
And Taeja's air army would have beaten zerg even without a blunder by Losira.


He definitely, def., def. didnt have enough time to get out Raven/BC, jesus with air ups and the raven ups that shit takes forever...
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
July 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#4744
I wish BCs/Ravens and Carriers were as accessible as Broodlords are. Feel so sorry for Terran in this matchup...
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
July 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#4745
On July 22 2012 10:31 chambertin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:30 DOUDOU wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:22 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:17 DOUDOU wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:13 Mackus wrote:
When will Stephano accept a Code S invite? He's eligible for it (again) being the highest placed foreigner on the MLG-GSL exchange

he will play GSL 2012 season 4

I thought he said in an interview at NASL that he would only be playing GSTL not GSL when he was in Korea?

he pretty much confirmed he will take a code S seed next season during his interview with the aaa guy


whaat/who is aaa?

aAa, against all authority, a french team.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
July 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#4746
On July 22 2012 10:28 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:26 Seiferz wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:23 m0ck wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.

I wait for the day he drops off.


So we can't have emotions, ok

Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano.

Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying.

Can't do anything about it though, too bad

Yes, yes, when you do it, it's great, when other people do it, it's the worst. Maybe just get over yourself.


I agree. I can't understand these people who complain about "bias". I imagine that every time Stephano does something well, they cringe or something like that. It's a game and a cast, just take it for what it is.

No I don't. Stephano's moves are sometimes amazing, I'm able to distinguish that, like I said, he's a really good player. I dislike caster bias because casters aren't supposed to be THAT biased, they ruin the watching experience unless you're a fanboy. While overboard fanboys ruin LRs because of this kind of discussion


Yeah that's how I feel. Nothing against Stephano, but it's annoying listening to the casters act like every move he does is the greatest, most genius thing ever when a lot of the time it's actually pretty basic, and they brush over a lot of his mistakes.

Sometimes it's like the opponents don't get any credit, it's just the Stephano show. Though admittedly they've not been -that- bad here.

Really it's just an outgrowth of Stephano being the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans, and a lot of the fanbase simply aren't interested in Koreans, but will cheer anyone who isn't Korean.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Eraserhead
Profile Joined October 2011
159 Posts
July 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#4747
good thing Zerg requires no micro or we would have never heard about Losira

User was warned for this post
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#4748
On July 22 2012 10:30 FairForever wrote:
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On July 22 2012 10:29 illsick wrote:
taeja had great engagements...



He also had 54 food in Vikings vs an Ultra/Ling army


lol this post will get ignored.

The obvious counter is that he had to get that amount to deal with the broodlords....

but he didn't need THAT many.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
July 22 2012 01:32 GMT
#4749
On July 22 2012 10:31 stuchiu wrote:
People should stop using the units lost tab. It doesn't give an accurate picture of who is at an advantage or disadvantage in a game.

True. People should start using the game timer to see who is at an advantage/disadvantage.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4750
On July 22 2012 10:32 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:30 chambertin wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
So... Losira suicided his invincible army and then still auto-won.

Usually I don't complain about ZvT, but this even makes me arch my eyebrows.


This club is starting to get pretty big...


Losira had resources to remax, and the the Terran pushed out to go for the kill... with 27 vikings. He hadn't sac'ed any SCVs, so his 100 food army (not including the useless vikings) got creamed by ultra/ling/bling.


i guess u missed the part where he was sacking scv's like 3 or 4 times
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44368 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4751
On July 22 2012 10:31 aintz wrote:
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On July 22 2012 10:30 Diizzy wrote:
am i the only one who keeps thinking this game needs a higher supply cap?


yes. 200/200 is fine.


lol could you imagine Zerg going from that 300 army push (with extra larvae) to a 400 army push (by just having a few extra macro hatches and queens late game)?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4752
On July 22 2012 10:31 stuchiu wrote:
People should stop using the units lost tab. It doesn't give an accurate picture of who is at an advantage or disadvantage in a game.

No, but it's useful to assess the result of one given engagement, at least as far as army goes. Other factors can be involved in deciding who is in a better position after a battle.
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4753
Late-game TvZ is pretty hilarious. I couldn't help but laugh when they thought Losira was dead with 9 ultralisks on the way.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4754
On July 22 2012 10:32 Eraserhead wrote:
good thing Zerg requires no micro or we would have never heard about Losira


idk mang

He has a pretty good terran too :p
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Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4755
On July 22 2012 10:31 aintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:30 Diizzy wrote:
am i the only one who keeps thinking this game needs a higher supply cap?


yes. 200/200 is fine.


Yeah, i don't think we need a 400/400 protoss deathball XD
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SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4756
On July 22 2012 10:31 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:29 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Why do terrans take so many gasses when they always end up with a 2-5k gas bank?

T doesnt really have a gas dump lategame. Zs make infestors (if not BLs, corruptors or ultras), Ps make Templars -> Archons. Ts could really stop taking new gases once 3/3 is researched, after that, gas is mostly to replenish vikings/tanks/meds, which really dont require 8 or 10 gas or whatever.


I don't mean for them to dump gas.

I mean for them to make more orbitals with the extra mining they would get from those 5-10 SCV for more mules and expansions.

especially late game when zerg is busy defending or in the middle of the map and can't harass as easily
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4757
On July 22 2012 10:30 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:22 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:17 DOUDOU wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:13 Mackus wrote:
When will Stephano accept a Code S invite? He's eligible for it (again) being the highest placed foreigner on the MLG-GSL exchange

he will play GSL 2012 season 4

I thought he said in an interview at NASL that he would only be playing GSTL not GSL when he was in Korea?

he pretty much confirmed he will take a code S seed next season during his interview with the aaa guy

In October, he said, no? Is that next season? Dunno how long WCS will take, but it seems really long. Ah well, I think you're right, but it's still gonna be a long time until the time has come.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4758
On July 22 2012 10:31 aintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:30 Diizzy wrote:
am i the only one who keeps thinking this game needs a higher supply cap?


yes. 200/200 is fine.

I don't even want to imagine how imbalanced the game would be with 300 cap.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
July 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#4759
holy shit that song sound SO MUIHC like Cowboys from hell of Pantera
n_n
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 22 2012 01:34 GMT
#4760
On July 22 2012 10:30 captainshards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:22 captainshards wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:21 mordk wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:18 Moka wrote:
On July 22 2012 10:14 captainshards wrote:
I find the bias towards Stephano by both TL and casters/organizations to be extremely annoying and depressing.

I wait for the day he drops off.


So we can't have emotions, ok

Personally I find the caster bias ridiculous, annoying, and game-ruining. Fanboys are extremely annoying too and they tend to wreck LR threads, which is why I always root for whoever plays vs Stephano.

Emotions are fine I go crazy myself when MC wins, but this whole "Stephano moves a ling -> best player in the world" "Stephano would rip off DRG's limbs in a single move" and stuff is just overboard and annoying.

Can't do anything about it though, too bad


Thank you. I wish more people understood this.

Pretty much sums up how I feel as well.

Stephano is of course a good player, but the insane amount of hype and bias around him drives me fucking insane. and much like the guy you quoted I can't help but root against him just because the fanboys and bias are more annoying to me than balance whine and trolls.


I have been a fan of professional SC since the early broodwar days. To me, extreme bias by casters etc is not only annoying, it is extremely disrespectful to the other player. Competition is fine. Fans are fine. Even a few jabs here and there are fine. But this overly exaggerated worship of Stephano simply because hes a non-korean who plays well is really embarrassing to me. Maybe people need someone like themselves (non-korean) to cheer for, and thats fine. But its getting really old by now.


Well, that's what happens when one foreigner stands out above all the rest. People need someone to cheer for, and massive amounts of bias and fanboyism is annoying, but sadly inevitable. If we lived in some alternate universe in which the things Stephano has done was instead performed by some random Code B Korean who hasn't been in the GSL yet, it would be interesting to see if people would still try to call him the best/one of the best players in the world.
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