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Malaysia1996 Posts

July 21 2012 23:48 GMT

#3341

Wtf terrible engagement by Stephano...

GreyKnight

United States4720 Posts

July 21 2012 23:48 GMT

#3342

wow stephano good job into a choke point

ZeratuLsc2

Canada426 Posts

July 21 2012 23:48 GMT

#3343

What the shit? Did Stephano just throw the game?

imre

France9263 Posts

July 21 2012 23:48 GMT

#3344

stephano trying really hard to throw the game, might succeed

darkest44

United States1009 Posts

July 21 2012 23:48 GMT

#3345

Waited too long Stephano.

Sideburn

United States442 Posts

July 21 2012 23:48 GMT

#3346

Dat meatgrinder engagement for Ryung.

GunPaladin

United States1205 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3347

why hasn't Ryung started producing vikings?

Gorlin

United States2753 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3348

Ryung still in this, let's go Ryung!!!!!!!

FairForever

Canada2392 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3349

Stephano trying very hard to give this game away

aznball123

2759 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3350

Ryung doing pretty well, 4th base and pushing damn

PhoenixVoid

Canada32747 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3351

Welp that went well for Ryung.

grobo

Japan6199 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3352

Please Stephano, don't lose this!

Killmouse

Austria5700 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3353

is stephano goin full foreign mode?

Fanta_Rules

Sweden669 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3354

Please don't lose...

Megaliskuu

United States5123 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3355

WOW sick hold by ryung o.o

imre

France9263 Posts

July 21 2012 23:49 GMT

#3356

On July 22 2012 08:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:

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On July 22 2012 08:42 sAsImre wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:41 forsooth wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:39 sAsImre wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:38 forsooth wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:34 sAsImre wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:32 Gosi wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:32 sAsImre wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Why are people saying mech is bad? Ryung played that build in a sloppy manner. He didn't even macro properly.

I hate to admit this, but TheBest has shown me the most impressive mech play post-patch. He never gave up on the style and really refined it.

the problem with make TvZ is that you give up lots of mobility for just the ability to kill drones quicker. You're not stronger in fights, you still cannont push midgame, hell you cannot drop. The only other advantage is that it's easier to turtle into sky terran. So it could be good on Metropolis ie.
Marines are simply too good.

Siege Tanks are simply too bad. :&

They're ok, if they were that bad everyone'd be playing pure bio. You simply cannot mass them since they're way too many ways to deal with it. They complement marines quite well and are good vs ultra/ling/infest.

The only thing Zerg has that handles tanks outright is brood lords, which are the hardest of hard counters, even moreso than immortals. Were it not for the broodling-based attack, high tank counts at all stages in the game would be not only possible but probably common. SC2 tanks may suck compared to their BW counterparts (I'd love to see a big damage buff btw) but in high numbers they're still impressive.

drop + roach destroy lower tank counts in the midgame. Like really hard that's the reason the opening is thor/hellion/banshee.

If you're going mech, sure. But against marine/tank? Not really.

that's the all point of those 14min pushes with 6-10 tanks and 2/2. But i'd not call it a mass, but if you consider it that way i totally agree with you.

On July 22 2012 08:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:36 sAsImre wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:

On July 22 2012 08:32 sAsImre wrote:

the problem with make TvZ is that you give up lots of mobility for just the ability to kill drones quicker. You're not stronger in fights, you still cannont push midgame, hell you cannot drop. The only other advantage is that it's easier to turtle into sky terran. So it could be good on Metropolis ie.
Marines are simply too good.

Falsest thing I've ever read in this thread. That's the entire reason you go mech in the first place.

You cannot fight Z t2 with mech since he just rush hive because roaches are too good. So you've a weaker army than the Z in a straight up fight before ultra lategame.
Just watch symbol crushing every mech player either by dropping 200/200 roaches or rushing hive to see that you're wrong.

Like mech players can't do hellion drops (which Mvp did at his peak) or defend adequately against roach harassment (which Mvp did at his peak too). The fact is nobody has worked that hard at making mech viable since the BFH nerf, so mech is largely stuck at summer/fall 2011 standards.

You don't know what you're talking about. Go watch some Symbol/any TSL zerg play vs mech to see why drops are good.

You don't know what you're talking about. See, I can play the game of cherrypicking too. I guess you were one of the people who thought mech was impossible in BW TvP too because people sucked at it for the first 5 years.

Look at some symbols vod and come back bro.