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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
July 21 2012 23:48 GMT
#3341
Wtf terrible engagement by Stephano...
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
July 21 2012 23:48 GMT
#3342
wow stephano good job into a choke point
ZeratuLsc2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada426 Posts
July 21 2012 23:48 GMT
#3343
What the shit? Did Stephano just throw the game?
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 21 2012 23:48 GMT
#3344
stephano trying really hard to throw the game, might succeed
Zest fanboy.
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
July 21 2012 23:48 GMT
#3345
Waited too long Stephano.
Sideburn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
July 21 2012 23:48 GMT
#3346
Dat meatgrinder engagement for Ryung.
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3347
why hasn't Ryung started producing vikings?
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3348
Ryung still in this, let's go Ryung!!!!!!!
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3349
Stephano trying very hard to give this game away
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3350
Ryung doing pretty well, 4th base and pushing damn
Mmm, what to watch.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3351
Welp that went well for Ryung.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3352
Please Stephano, don't lose this!
We make signature, then defense it.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3353
is stephano goin full foreign mode?
yo
Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3354
Please don't lose...
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3355
WOW sick hold by ryung o.o
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3356
On July 22 2012 08:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 08:42 sAsImre wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:41 forsooth wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:39 sAsImre wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:38 forsooth wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:34 sAsImre wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:32 Gosi wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:32 sAsImre wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Why are people saying mech is bad? Ryung played that build in a sloppy manner. He didn't even macro properly.

I hate to admit this, but TheBest has shown me the most impressive mech play post-patch. He never gave up on the style and really refined it.


the problem with make TvZ is that you give up lots of mobility for just the ability to kill drones quicker. You're not stronger in fights, you still cannont push midgame, hell you cannot drop. The only other advantage is that it's easier to turtle into sky terran. So it could be good on Metropolis ie.
Marines are simply too good.

Siege Tanks are simply too bad. :&


They're ok, if they were that bad everyone'd be playing pure bio. You simply cannot mass them since they're way too many ways to deal with it. They complement marines quite well and are good vs ultra/ling/infest.

The only thing Zerg has that handles tanks outright is brood lords, which are the hardest of hard counters, even moreso than immortals. Were it not for the broodling-based attack, high tank counts at all stages in the game would be not only possible but probably common. SC2 tanks may suck compared to their BW counterparts (I'd love to see a big damage buff btw) but in high numbers they're still impressive.


drop + roach destroy lower tank counts in the midgame. Like really hard that's the reason the opening is thor/hellion/banshee.

If you're going mech, sure. But against marine/tank? Not really.


that's the all point of those 14min pushes with 6-10 tanks and 2/2. But i'd not call it a mass, but if you consider it that way i totally agree with you.
On July 22 2012 08:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:36 sAsImre wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:32 sAsImre wrote:
On July 22 2012 08:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Why are people saying mech is bad? Ryung played that build in a sloppy manner. He didn't even macro properly.

I hate to admit this, but TheBest has shown me the most impressive mech play post-patch. He never gave up on the style and really refined it.


the problem with make TvZ is that you give up lots of mobility for just the ability to kill drones quicker. You're not stronger in fights, you still cannont push midgame, hell you cannot drop. The only other advantage is that it's easier to turtle into sky terran. So it could be good on Metropolis ie.
Marines are simply too good.


Falsest thing I've ever read in this thread. That's the entire reason you go mech in the first place.


You cannot fight Z t2 with mech since he just rush hive because roaches are too good. So you've a weaker army than the Z in a straight up fight before ultra lategame.
Just watch symbol crushing every mech player either by dropping 200/200 roaches or rushing hive to see that you're wrong.


Like mech players can't do hellion drops (which Mvp did at his peak) or defend adequately against roach harassment (which Mvp did at his peak too). The fact is nobody has worked that hard at making mech viable since the BFH nerf, so mech is largely stuck at summer/fall 2011 standards.


You don't know what you're talking about. Go watch some Symbol/any TSL zerg play vs mech to see why drops are good.


You don't know what you're talking about. See, I can play the game of cherrypicking too. I guess you were one of the people who thought mech was impossible in BW TvP too because people sucked at it for the first 5 years.


Look at some symbols vod and come back bro.
Zest fanboy.
brrip
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom211 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3357
goodness this is such a biased cast
Rockafella
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom291 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3358
Stephano just threw this game.. What the FUCK
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45916 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3359
Did Stephano just throw away the game by botching that attack?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
July 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#3360
On July 22 2012 08:49 FairForever wrote:
Stephano trying very hard to give this game away


I think he felt he was much further ahead than he was.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
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